Change pages open in 'contents' frame w/o opening multiple frames.

B

Begging4u2help

How can I get pages to CHANGE in the 'contents' frame (in the frameset page),
instead of opening up multiple copies of the frameset?

This seems to be what is happening within FP2003, but I'm also having
another problem: when I preview in IE6, new pages open up out of the
frameset.

I'm using a TOC link bar on a frameset page - both the TOC link bar and each
main page has default targets set for the 'contents' frame on the frameset
page.
 
J

Jens Peter Karlsen[FP MVP]

Set the links target to contents.

Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.
 
B

Begging4u2help

The link targets are set to 'contents', the base target in the frameset page
is set to 'contents', and the default target="contents" for each of the pages
that gets linked directly from the TOC linkbar. ...so.... what else can I
check? ??

Jens Peter Karlsen said:
Set the links target to contents.

Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.
-----Original Message-----
From: Begging4u2help
[mailto:[email protected]]
Posted At: 23. december 2004 18:53
Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.client
Conversation: Change pages open in 'contents' frame w/o
opening multiple frames.
Subject: Change pages open in 'contents' frame w/o opening
multiple frames.


How can I get pages to CHANGE in the 'contents' frame (in the
frameset page), instead of opening up multiple copies of the
frameset?

This seems to be what is happening within FP2003, but I'm
also having another problem: when I preview in IE6, new
pages open up out of the frameset.

I'm using a TOC link bar on a frameset page - both the TOC
link bar and each main page has default targets set for the
'contents' frame on the frameset page.
 
T

Thomas A. Rowe

If you are using FP navigation components, they were not designed to be used with Frames.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================


Begging4u2help said:
The link targets are set to 'contents', the base target in the frameset page
is set to 'contents', and the default target="contents" for each of the pages
that gets linked directly from the TOC linkbar. ...so.... what else can I
check? ??

Jens Peter Karlsen said:
Set the links target to contents.

Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.
-----Original Message-----
From: Begging4u2help
[mailto:[email protected]]
Posted At: 23. december 2004 18:53
Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.client
Conversation: Change pages open in 'contents' frame w/o
opening multiple frames.
Subject: Change pages open in 'contents' frame w/o opening
multiple frames.


How can I get pages to CHANGE in the 'contents' frame (in the
frameset page), instead of opening up multiple copies of the
frameset?

This seems to be what is happening within FP2003, but I'm
also having another problem: when I preview in IE6, new
pages open up out of the frameset.

I'm using a TOC link bar on a frameset page - both the TOC
link bar and each main page has default targets set for the
'contents' frame on the frameset page.
 
B

Begging4u2help

Thomas - well call me floored. Did I hear you right? FP generated link bar
TOC won't function properly inside a FP frame?

If so - please confirm. I appreciate any information that gets this monster
operational, and will put individual links in place of the link bar if that
is the problem. Will that solve it you think?

Is there some way that I should have known that FP components won't work in
a page format (frames) commonly found in FP templates? Is there an easier
way to find this stuff out? ...well having you tell me was easy - but
fighting with it for longer than I'd like to admit first - wasn't.

Apart from link bars...what else doesn't work with frames?

This is me banging my head against the wall, but with a ray of hope and a
pending sigh of relief! |`:<_ ... ~:}

Thomas A. Rowe said:
If you are using FP navigation components, they were not designed to be used with Frames.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================


Begging4u2help said:
The link targets are set to 'contents', the base target in the frameset page
is set to 'contents', and the default target="contents" for each of the pages
that gets linked directly from the TOC linkbar. ...so.... what else can I
check? ??

Jens Peter Karlsen said:
Set the links target to contents.

Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.

-----Original Message-----
From: Begging4u2help
[mailto:[email protected]]
Posted At: 23. december 2004 18:53
Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.client
Conversation: Change pages open in 'contents' frame w/o
opening multiple frames.
Subject: Change pages open in 'contents' frame w/o opening
multiple frames.


How can I get pages to CHANGE in the 'contents' frame (in the
frameset page), instead of opening up multiple copies of the
frameset?

This seems to be what is happening within FP2003, but I'm
also having another problem: when I preview in IE6, new
pages open up out of the frameset.

I'm using a TOC link bar on a frameset page - both the TOC
link bar and each main page has default targets set for the
'contents' frame on the frameset page.
 
M

Murray

Probably shouldn't be using frames in the first place. Are you prepared for
ALL the problems?

--
Murray

Begging4u2help said:
Thomas - well call me floored. Did I hear you right? FP generated link
bar
TOC won't function properly inside a FP frame?

If so - please confirm. I appreciate any information that gets this
monster
operational, and will put individual links in place of the link bar if
that
is the problem. Will that solve it you think?

Is there some way that I should have known that FP components won't work
in
a page format (frames) commonly found in FP templates? Is there an easier
way to find this stuff out? ...well having you tell me was easy - but
fighting with it for longer than I'd like to admit first - wasn't.

Apart from link bars...what else doesn't work with frames?

This is me banging my head against the wall, but with a ray of hope and a
pending sigh of relief! |`:<_ ... ~:}

Thomas A. Rowe said:
If you are using FP navigation components, they were not designed to be
used with Frames.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================


message
The link targets are set to 'contents', the base target in the frameset
page
is set to 'contents', and the default target="contents" for each of the
pages
that gets linked directly from the TOC linkbar. ...so.... what else
can I
check? ??

:

Set the links target to contents.

Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.

-----Original Message-----
From: Begging4u2help
[mailto:[email protected]]
Posted At: 23. december 2004 18:53
Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.client
Conversation: Change pages open in 'contents' frame w/o
opening multiple frames.
Subject: Change pages open in 'contents' frame w/o opening
multiple frames.


How can I get pages to CHANGE in the 'contents' frame (in the
frameset page), instead of opening up multiple copies of the
frameset?

This seems to be what is happening within FP2003, but I'm
also having another problem: when I preview in IE6, new
pages open up out of the frameset.

I'm using a TOC link bar on a frameset page - both the TOC
link bar and each main page has default targets set for the
'contents' frame on the frameset page.
 
B

Begging4u2help

When I chose to use frames, I thought that the main objections were that some
browsers aren't compatible. Since this particular web is going to be an
in-house program, CD or C: based, with control over brower versions, I
thought the choice was reasonable.

Apparently I'm not prepared for all the problems. On the other hand, I
don't know how to achieve the goal of having a detailed navigation structure
'framework' to guide the user through a very complicated series of documents.


But I really need to get this done (soon), and I know nothing of how to set
up cells and scripts for inserts. yet. If you think that learning curve
would be quicker, that getting this frameset operational , please let me
know...and perhaps point me to good examples.
Thanks.

Murray said:
Probably shouldn't be using frames in the first place. Are you prepared for
ALL the problems?

--
Murray

Begging4u2help said:
Thomas - well call me floored. Did I hear you right? FP generated link
bar
TOC won't function properly inside a FP frame?

If so - please confirm. I appreciate any information that gets this
monster
operational, and will put individual links in place of the link bar if
that
is the problem. Will that solve it you think?

Is there some way that I should have known that FP components won't work
in
a page format (frames) commonly found in FP templates? Is there an easier
way to find this stuff out? ...well having you tell me was easy - but
fighting with it for longer than I'd like to admit first - wasn't.

Apart from link bars...what else doesn't work with frames?

This is me banging my head against the wall, but with a ray of hope and a
pending sigh of relief! |`:<_ ... ~:}

Thomas A. Rowe said:
If you are using FP navigation components, they were not designed to be
used with Frames.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================
To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp

message
The link targets are set to 'contents', the base target in the frameset
page
is set to 'contents', and the default target="contents" for each of the
pages
that gets linked directly from the TOC linkbar. ...so.... what else
can I
check? ??

:

Set the links target to contents.

Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.

-----Original Message-----
From: Begging4u2help
[mailto:[email protected]]
Posted At: 23. december 2004 18:53
Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.client
Conversation: Change pages open in 'contents' frame w/o
opening multiple frames.
Subject: Change pages open in 'contents' frame w/o opening
multiple frames.


How can I get pages to CHANGE in the 'contents' frame (in the
frameset page), instead of opening up multiple copies of the
frameset?

This seems to be what is happening within FP2003, but I'm
also having another problem: when I preview in IE6, new
pages open up out of the frameset.

I'm using a TOC link bar on a frameset page - both the TOC
link bar and each main page has default targets set for the
'contents' frame on the frameset page.
 
T

Thomas A. Rowe

Since the days of FP97/98, the FP navigation components were not meant or designed to be used with
Framesets. A frameset is a frameset, there is nothing special about the Framesets that FP generates.

In general frames are a pain, I stopped using them back in 1999.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================


Begging4u2help said:
Thomas - well call me floored. Did I hear you right? FP generated link bar
TOC won't function properly inside a FP frame?

If so - please confirm. I appreciate any information that gets this monster
operational, and will put individual links in place of the link bar if that
is the problem. Will that solve it you think?

Is there some way that I should have known that FP components won't work in
a page format (frames) commonly found in FP templates? Is there an easier
way to find this stuff out? ...well having you tell me was easy - but
fighting with it for longer than I'd like to admit first - wasn't.

Apart from link bars...what else doesn't work with frames?

This is me banging my head against the wall, but with a ray of hope and a
pending sigh of relief! |`:<_ ... ~:}

Thomas A. Rowe said:
If you are using FP navigation components, they were not designed to be used with Frames.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================


Begging4u2help said:
The link targets are set to 'contents', the base target in the frameset page
is set to 'contents', and the default target="contents" for each of the pages
that gets linked directly from the TOC linkbar. ...so.... what else can I
check? ??

:

Set the links target to contents.

Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.

-----Original Message-----
From: Begging4u2help
[mailto:[email protected]]
Posted At: 23. december 2004 18:53
Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.client
Conversation: Change pages open in 'contents' frame w/o
opening multiple frames.
Subject: Change pages open in 'contents' frame w/o opening
multiple frames.


How can I get pages to CHANGE in the 'contents' frame (in the
frameset page), instead of opening up multiple copies of the
frameset?

This seems to be what is happening within FP2003, but I'm
also having another problem: when I preview in IE6, new
pages open up out of the frameset.

I'm using a TOC link bar on a frameset page - both the TOC
link bar and each main page has default targets set for the
'contents' frame on the frameset page.
 
T

Thomas A. Rowe

Almost all browser supports frames, the main problem is user trying to bookmark pages, print pages,
etc.

If you want to use frames, then you have to manually create and manage your navigation structure.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================


Begging4u2help said:
When I chose to use frames, I thought that the main objections were that some
browsers aren't compatible. Since this particular web is going to be an
in-house program, CD or C: based, with control over brower versions, I
thought the choice was reasonable.

Apparently I'm not prepared for all the problems. On the other hand, I
don't know how to achieve the goal of having a detailed navigation structure
'framework' to guide the user through a very complicated series of documents.


But I really need to get this done (soon), and I know nothing of how to set
up cells and scripts for inserts. yet. If you think that learning curve
would be quicker, that getting this frameset operational , please let me
know...and perhaps point me to good examples.
Thanks.

Murray said:
Probably shouldn't be using frames in the first place. Are you prepared for
ALL the problems?

--
Murray

Begging4u2help said:
Thomas - well call me floored. Did I hear you right? FP generated link
bar
TOC won't function properly inside a FP frame?

If so - please confirm. I appreciate any information that gets this
monster
operational, and will put individual links in place of the link bar if
that
is the problem. Will that solve it you think?

Is there some way that I should have known that FP components won't work
in
a page format (frames) commonly found in FP templates? Is there an easier
way to find this stuff out? ...well having you tell me was easy - but
fighting with it for longer than I'd like to admit first - wasn't.

Apart from link bars...what else doesn't work with frames?

This is me banging my head against the wall, but with a ray of hope and a
pending sigh of relief! |`:<_ ... ~:}

:

If you are using FP navigation components, they were not designed to be
used with Frames.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================
To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp

message
The link targets are set to 'contents', the base target in the frameset
page
is set to 'contents', and the default target="contents" for each of the
pages
that gets linked directly from the TOC linkbar. ...so.... what else
can I
check? ??

:

Set the links target to contents.

Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.

-----Original Message-----
From: Begging4u2help
[mailto:[email protected]]
Posted At: 23. december 2004 18:53
Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.client
Conversation: Change pages open in 'contents' frame w/o
opening multiple frames.
Subject: Change pages open in 'contents' frame w/o opening
multiple frames.


How can I get pages to CHANGE in the 'contents' frame (in the
frameset page), instead of opening up multiple copies of the
frameset?

This seems to be what is happening within FP2003, but I'm
also having another problem: when I preview in IE6, new
pages open up out of the frameset.

I'm using a TOC link bar on a frameset page - both the TOC
link bar and each main page has default targets set for the
'contents' frame on the frameset page.
 
J

Jon Spivey

In general frames are a pain, I stopped using them back in 1999.
That should go down as one of the 5 best bits of advice this newsgroup can
offer you

--
Cheers,
Jon
Microsoft MVP

Thomas A. Rowe said:
Since the days of FP97/98, the FP navigation components were not meant or
designed to be used with Framesets. A frameset is a frameset, there is
nothing special about the Framesets that FP generates.

In general frames are a pain, I stopped using them back in 1999.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================


Begging4u2help said:
Thomas - well call me floored. Did I hear you right? FP generated link
bar
TOC won't function properly inside a FP frame?

If so - please confirm. I appreciate any information that gets this
monster
operational, and will put individual links in place of the link bar if
that
is the problem. Will that solve it you think?

Is there some way that I should have known that FP components won't work
in
a page format (frames) commonly found in FP templates? Is there an
easier
way to find this stuff out? ...well having you tell me was easy - but
fighting with it for longer than I'd like to admit first - wasn't.

Apart from link bars...what else doesn't work with frames?

This is me banging my head against the wall, but with a ray of hope and a
pending sigh of relief! |`:<_ ... ~:}

Thomas A. Rowe said:
If you are using FP navigation components, they were not designed to be
used with Frames.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================
To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp

message
The link targets are set to 'contents', the base target in the
frameset page
is set to 'contents', and the default target="contents" for each of
the pages
that gets linked directly from the TOC linkbar. ...so.... what else
can I
check? ??

:

Set the links target to contents.

Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.

-----Original Message-----
From: Begging4u2help
[mailto:[email protected]]
Posted At: 23. december 2004 18:53
Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.client
Conversation: Change pages open in 'contents' frame w/o
opening multiple frames.
Subject: Change pages open in 'contents' frame w/o opening
multiple frames.


How can I get pages to CHANGE in the 'contents' frame (in the
frameset page), instead of opening up multiple copies of the
frameset?

This seems to be what is happening within FP2003, but I'm
also having another problem: when I preview in IE6, new
pages open up out of the frameset.

I'm using a TOC link bar on a frameset page - both the TOC
link bar and each main page has default targets set for the
'contents' frame on the frameset page.
 
B

Begging4u2help

Thanks for your reply.

I removed the generated link bar from the 'TOC' frame, and inserted a few
hyperlinks targeting 'contents'. The pages open in the 'contents' frame,
but I'm still getting multiple copies of the parent frameset page opening.
Is this there a fix?

****************

This is my first web, and likely my last web with frames!
I admit - I'm a web design novice and unfortunately ignorant....is there an
easier (efficient) way to find out things to avoid like the plague?

I went through several web design tutorials before I chose to use frames,
including MS's, in which the uses of frames were touted, but the drawbacks
were not pointed out. At least two of the tutorials linked from this site
discuss using frames as if it is an acceptable part of web design. I
appreciate that this site tries to steer one away from frames. It would be
more educational if there were links or examples of at least a few of the
reasons why.








Thomas A. Rowe said:
Since the days of FP97/98, the FP navigation components were not meant or designed to be used with
Framesets. A frameset is a frameset, there is nothing special about the Framesets that FP generates.

In general frames are a pain, I stopped using them back in 1999.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================


Begging4u2help said:
Thomas - well call me floored. Did I hear you right? FP generated link bar
TOC won't function properly inside a FP frame?

If so - please confirm. I appreciate any information that gets this monster
operational, and will put individual links in place of the link bar if that
is the problem. Will that solve it you think?

Is there some way that I should have known that FP components won't work in
a page format (frames) commonly found in FP templates? Is there an easier
way to find this stuff out? ...well having you tell me was easy - but
fighting with it for longer than I'd like to admit first - wasn't.

Apart from link bars...what else doesn't work with frames?

This is me banging my head against the wall, but with a ray of hope and a
pending sigh of relief! |`:<_ ... ~:}

Thomas A. Rowe said:
If you are using FP navigation components, they were not designed to be used with Frames.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================
To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp

The link targets are set to 'contents', the base target in the frameset page
is set to 'contents', and the default target="contents" for each of the pages
that gets linked directly from the TOC linkbar. ...so.... what else can I
check? ??

:

Set the links target to contents.

Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.

-----Original Message-----
From: Begging4u2help
[mailto:[email protected]]
Posted At: 23. december 2004 18:53
Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.client
Conversation: Change pages open in 'contents' frame w/o
opening multiple frames.
Subject: Change pages open in 'contents' frame w/o opening
multiple frames.


How can I get pages to CHANGE in the 'contents' frame (in the
frameset page), instead of opening up multiple copies of the
frameset?

This seems to be what is happening within FP2003, but I'm
also having another problem: when I preview in IE6, new
pages open up out of the frameset.

I'm using a TOC link bar on a frameset page - both the TOC
link bar and each main page has default targets set for the
'contents' frame on the frameset page.
 
T

Tom Pepper Willett

My gosh, Rob..is there not a post you won't reply to?

Tom
"Rob Giordano (aka: Crash Gordon®)" <[email protected]>
wrote in message And they have been proven to cause migraines.


| Since the days of FP97/98, the FP navigation components were not meant or
designed to be used with
| Framesets. A frameset is a frameset, there is nothing special about the
Framesets that FP generates.
|
| In general frames are a pain, I stopped using them back in 1999.
|
| --
| ==============================================
| Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
| WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
|
| FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
| ==============================================
| To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
| http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
|
message
| | > Thomas - well call me floored. Did I hear you right? FP generated link
bar
| > TOC won't function properly inside a FP frame?
| >
| > If so - please confirm. I appreciate any information that gets this
monster
| > operational, and will put individual links in place of the link bar if
that
| > is the problem. Will that solve it you think?
| >
| > Is there some way that I should have known that FP components won't work
in
| > a page format (frames) commonly found in FP templates? Is there an
easier
| > way to find this stuff out? ...well having you tell me was easy - but
| > fighting with it for longer than I'd like to admit first - wasn't.
| >
| > Apart from link bars...what else doesn't work with frames?
| >
| > This is me banging my head against the wall, but with a ray of hope and
a
| > pending sigh of relief! |`:<_ ... ~:}
| >
| > "Thomas A. Rowe" wrote:
| >
| >> If you are using FP navigation components, they were not designed to be
used with Frames.
| >>
| >> --
| >> ==============================================
| >> Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
| >> WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
| >>
| >> FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
| >> ==============================================
| >> To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
| >> http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| >>
message
| >> | >> > The link targets are set to 'contents', the base target in the
frameset page
| >> > is set to 'contents', and the default target="contents" for each of
the pages
| >> > that gets linked directly from the TOC linkbar. ...so.... what else
can I
| >> > check? ??
| >> >
| >> > "Jens Peter Karlsen[FP MVP]" wrote:
| >> >
| >> >> Set the links target to contents.
| >> >>
| >> >> Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.
| >> >>
| >> >> > -----Original Message-----
| >> >> > From: Begging4u2help
| >> >> > [mailto:[email protected]]
| >> >> > Posted At: 23. december 2004 18:53
| >> >> > Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.client
| >> >> > Conversation: Change pages open in 'contents' frame w/o
| >> >> > opening multiple frames.
| >> >> > Subject: Change pages open in 'contents' frame w/o opening
| >> >> > multiple frames.
| >> >> >
| >> >> >
| >> >> > How can I get pages to CHANGE in the 'contents' frame (in the
| >> >> > frameset page), instead of opening up multiple copies of the
| >> >> > frameset?
| >> >> >
| >> >> > This seems to be what is happening within FP2003, but I'm
| >> >> > also having another problem: when I preview in IE6, new
| >> >> > pages open up out of the frameset.
| >> >> >
| >> >> > I'm using a TOC link bar on a frameset page - both the TOC
| >> >> > link bar and each main page has default targets set for the
| >> >> > 'contents' frame on the frameset page.
| >> >> >
| >> >> >
| >> >> >
| >> >>
| >>
| >>
| >>
|
|
 
R

Ronx

What pages are those links opening?
It sounds as if the links are opening a frameset page, rather than a content
page. If this is the case change the target for those links to _top.

--
Ron Symonds (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.


Begging4u2help said:
Thanks for your reply.

I removed the generated link bar from the 'TOC' frame, and inserted a few
hyperlinks targeting 'contents'. The pages open in the 'contents' frame,
but I'm still getting multiple copies of the parent frameset page opening.
Is this there a fix?

****************

This is my first web, and likely my last web with frames!
I admit - I'm a web design novice and unfortunately ignorant....is there
an
easier (efficient) way to find out things to avoid like the plague?

I went through several web design tutorials before I chose to use frames,
including MS's, in which the uses of frames were touted, but the drawbacks
were not pointed out. At least two of the tutorials linked from this site
discuss using frames as if it is an acceptable part of web design. I
appreciate that this site tries to steer one away from frames. It would
be
more educational if there were links or examples of at least a few of the
reasons why.








Thomas A. Rowe said:
Since the days of FP97/98, the FP navigation components were not meant or
designed to be used with
Framesets. A frameset is a frameset, there is nothing special about the
Framesets that FP generates.

In general frames are a pain, I stopped using them back in 1999.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================


message
Thomas - well call me floored. Did I hear you right? FP generated
link bar
TOC won't function properly inside a FP frame?

If so - please confirm. I appreciate any information that gets this
monster
operational, and will put individual links in place of the link bar if
that
is the problem. Will that solve it you think?

Is there some way that I should have known that FP components won't
work in
a page format (frames) commonly found in FP templates? Is there an
easier
way to find this stuff out? ...well having you tell me was easy - but
fighting with it for longer than I'd like to admit first - wasn't.

Apart from link bars...what else doesn't work with frames?

This is me banging my head against the wall, but with a ray of hope and
a
pending sigh of relief! |`:<_ ... ~:}

:

If you are using FP navigation components, they were not designed to
be used with Frames.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================
To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp

message
The link targets are set to 'contents', the base target in the
frameset page
is set to 'contents', and the default target="contents" for each of
the pages
that gets linked directly from the TOC linkbar. ...so.... what
else can I
check? ??

:

Set the links target to contents.

Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.

-----Original Message-----
From: Begging4u2help
[mailto:[email protected]]
Posted At: 23. december 2004 18:53
Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.client
Conversation: Change pages open in 'contents' frame w/o
opening multiple frames.
Subject: Change pages open in 'contents' frame w/o opening
multiple frames.


How can I get pages to CHANGE in the 'contents' frame (in the
frameset page), instead of opening up multiple copies of the
frameset?

This seems to be what is happening within FP2003, but I'm
also having another problem: when I preview in IE6, new
pages open up out of the frameset.

I'm using a TOC link bar on a frameset page - both the TOC
link bar and each main page has default targets set for the
'contents' frame on the frameset page.
 
M

Murray

Yeah - my guess is that the framesets have not been made/saved properly....

--
Murray

Ronx said:
What pages are those links opening?
It sounds as if the links are opening a frameset page, rather than a
content page. If this is the case change the target for those links to
_top.

--
Ron Symonds (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.


Begging4u2help said:
Thanks for your reply.

I removed the generated link bar from the 'TOC' frame, and inserted a few
hyperlinks targeting 'contents'. The pages open in the 'contents'
frame,
but I'm still getting multiple copies of the parent frameset page
opening.
Is this there a fix?

****************

This is my first web, and likely my last web with frames!
I admit - I'm a web design novice and unfortunately ignorant....is there
an
easier (efficient) way to find out things to avoid like the plague?

I went through several web design tutorials before I chose to use frames,
including MS's, in which the uses of frames were touted, but the
drawbacks
were not pointed out. At least two of the tutorials linked from this
site
discuss using frames as if it is an acceptable part of web design. I
appreciate that this site tries to steer one away from frames. It would
be
more educational if there were links or examples of at least a few of the
reasons why.








Thomas A. Rowe said:
Since the days of FP97/98, the FP navigation components were not meant
or designed to be used with
Framesets. A frameset is a frameset, there is nothing special about the
Framesets that FP generates.

In general frames are a pain, I stopped using them back in 1999.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================
To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp

message
Thomas - well call me floored. Did I hear you right? FP generated
link bar
TOC won't function properly inside a FP frame?

If so - please confirm. I appreciate any information that gets this
monster
operational, and will put individual links in place of the link bar if
that
is the problem. Will that solve it you think?

Is there some way that I should have known that FP components won't
work in
a page format (frames) commonly found in FP templates? Is there an
easier
way to find this stuff out? ...well having you tell me was easy -
but
fighting with it for longer than I'd like to admit first - wasn't.

Apart from link bars...what else doesn't work with frames?

This is me banging my head against the wall, but with a ray of hope
and a
pending sigh of relief! |`:<_ ... ~:}

:

If you are using FP navigation components, they were not designed to
be used with Frames.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================
To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp

message
The link targets are set to 'contents', the base target in the
frameset page
is set to 'contents', and the default target="contents" for each of
the pages
that gets linked directly from the TOC linkbar. ...so.... what
else can I
check? ??

:

Set the links target to contents.

Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.

-----Original Message-----
From: Begging4u2help
[mailto:[email protected]]
Posted At: 23. december 2004 18:53
Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.client
Conversation: Change pages open in 'contents' frame w/o
opening multiple frames.
Subject: Change pages open in 'contents' frame w/o opening
multiple frames.


How can I get pages to CHANGE in the 'contents' frame (in the
frameset page), instead of opening up multiple copies of the
frameset?

This seems to be what is happening within FP2003, but I'm
also having another problem: when I preview in IE6, new
pages open up out of the frameset.

I'm using a TOC link bar on a frameset page - both the TOC
link bar and each main page has default targets set for the
'contents' frame on the frameset page.
 
B

Begging4u2help

Rob - Thanks for stopping in. I'm trying to have a good time, but have a
frameset migraine.

Thomas - You're welcome to be as grouchy as u like, especially if you have
something helpful to say...like (to paraphrase) " link bars won't work in
frames" ! That is what you meant - yes?

So...
Because of Thomas's feed back ... I removed the generated link bar from the
'TOC' frame, and inserted a few individual hyperlinks targeting 'contents'.

The pages open in the 'contents' frame, but I'm still getting multiple
copies of the parent frameset page opening. I'm still trying to find a
fix...anyone?

Maybe the fix requires JavaScript (see the 'framesevil' tutorial referenced
below). I predict a new skill being developed on Christmas Eve. If anyone
can suggest the proper JS syntax to accomplish this, I will shower blessings
on their head(s).

Alternatively, does anyone have good code examples that achieve my goal? for
a similar (TOC linking to contents-portion of page) layout using cells? I
really need to focus on CONTENT and stop fussing with the layout, but the
CONTENT is pointless if they can't find what they need!

_____________________________

To anyone who is considering frames, 1. DON'T! 2. If you want to find out
why, or are a masochist that insists on trying frames, I would recommend the
following tutorial (I'm going through it at the moment):

[link]http://apptools.com/rants/framesevil.php[/link]

It is well written, and provides syntax detail, specific problems,
work-arounds, and - it seems - good all around advice. This site was
suggested by Dave Prescott, posted on the OutFront Beginner's forum (
[link]http://www.frontpagewebmaster.com/forumid-4/tt.htm[/link]) to another
beginner who was trying to fix his frames.
_____________________________
 
J

Jon Spivey

Hi,
Can you post up the URL of the offending page? This will make it much easier
to help you. You'd better have a good reason for using frames though :)
 
M

Murray

Nope - that reason's not good enough (just anticipating the response to
this).

--
Murray

Jon Spivey said:
Hi,
Can you post up the URL of the offending page? This will make it much
easier to help you. You'd better have a good reason for using frames
though :)

--
Cheers,
Jon
Microsoft MVP

Begging4u2help said:
Rob - Thanks for stopping in. I'm trying to have a good time, but have a
frameset migraine.

Thomas - You're welcome to be as grouchy as u like, especially if you
have
something helpful to say...like (to paraphrase) " link bars won't work in
frames" ! That is what you meant - yes?

So...
Because of Thomas's feed back ... I removed the generated link bar from
the
'TOC' frame, and inserted a few individual hyperlinks targeting
'contents'.

The pages open in the 'contents' frame, but I'm still getting multiple
copies of the parent frameset page opening. I'm still trying to find a
fix...anyone?

Maybe the fix requires JavaScript (see the 'framesevil' tutorial
referenced
below). I predict a new skill being developed on Christmas Eve. If
anyone
can suggest the proper JS syntax to accomplish this, I will shower
blessings
on their head(s).

Alternatively, does anyone have good code examples that achieve my goal?
for
a similar (TOC linking to contents-portion of page) layout using cells?
I
really need to focus on CONTENT and stop fussing with the layout, but the
CONTENT is pointless if they can't find what they need!

_____________________________

To anyone who is considering frames, 1. DON'T! 2. If you want to find
out
why, or are a masochist that insists on trying frames, I would recommend
the
following tutorial (I'm going through it at the moment):

[link]http://apptools.com/rants/framesevil.php[/link]

It is well written, and provides syntax detail, specific problems,
work-arounds, and - it seems - good all around advice. This site was
suggested by Dave Prescott, posted on the OutFront Beginner's forum (
[link]http://www.frontpagewebmaster.com/forumid-4/tt.htm[/link]) to
another
beginner who was trying to fix his frames.
_____________________________
 
B

Begging4u2help

At this point - the only reasons I can come up with are
...that I was seduced into believing that frames are easy and the obvious
choice for this layout.
..and that I have the parent frame set up - sort of.


I can't post the url, because this the local version is on my harddrive, and
it will be published to CD, to be run off of CD or the user's C:. The web is
an interface for a set of confidential documents...BUT I CAN post the parent
frameset code.





Murray said:
Nope - that reason's not good enough (just anticipating the response to
this).

--
Murray

Jon Spivey said:
Hi,
Can you post up the URL of the offending page? This will make it much
easier to help you. You'd better have a good reason for using frames
though :)

--
Cheers,
Jon
Microsoft MVP

Begging4u2help said:
Rob - Thanks for stopping in. I'm trying to have a good time, but have a
frameset migraine.

Thomas - You're welcome to be as grouchy as u like, especially if you
have
something helpful to say...like (to paraphrase) " link bars won't work in
frames" ! That is what you meant - yes?

So...
Because of Thomas's feed back ... I removed the generated link bar from
the
'TOC' frame, and inserted a few individual hyperlinks targeting
'contents'.

The pages open in the 'contents' frame, but I'm still getting multiple
copies of the parent frameset page opening. I'm still trying to find a
fix...anyone?

Maybe the fix requires JavaScript (see the 'framesevil' tutorial
referenced
below). I predict a new skill being developed on Christmas Eve. If
anyone
can suggest the proper JS syntax to accomplish this, I will shower
blessings
on their head(s).

Alternatively, does anyone have good code examples that achieve my goal?
for
a similar (TOC linking to contents-portion of page) layout using cells?
I
really need to focus on CONTENT and stop fussing with the layout, but the
CONTENT is pointless if they can't find what they need!

_____________________________

To anyone who is considering frames, 1. DON'T! 2. If you want to find
out
why, or are a masochist that insists on trying frames, I would recommend
the
following tutorial (I'm going through it at the moment):

[link]http://apptools.com/rants/framesevil.php[/link]

It is well written, and provides syntax detail, specific problems,
work-arounds, and - it seems - good all around advice. This site was
suggested by Dave Prescott, posted on the OutFront Beginner's forum (
[link]http://www.frontpagewebmaster.com/forumid-4/tt.htm[/link]) to
another
beginner who was trying to fix his frames.
_____________________________
 
B

Begging4u2help

Dang - I sent that last reply before I was ready...I meant to say:

Jon: The only reasons that I can come up with are:
....I was seduced into believing that frames are easy and the most
appropriate choice to achieve my desired layout.
....I have the parent frameset set up - (except that it doesn't work).
....I'm stubborn and persistent to a fault.

Murray: I'm becoming convinced that you're right.


I can't post the url, because this the local version is on my harddrive, and
it will be published to CD, to be run off of CD or the user's C:. The
website is
an interface for a set of confidential documents...BUT I CAN post the parent
frameset code. Here goes:

Code:
<html>

<head>
<title>O&M Home</title>

<meta name="keywords" content="O&M Home page">
<meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 6.0">
<meta name="ProgId" content="FrontPage.Editor.Document">

<base target="contents">

</head>

<frameset cols="26%,*" framespacing="0" border="0" frameborder="0">
<frameset rows="8%,*,12%">
<frame name="logo" frameborder="no" scrolling="no"
src="images/nav_bars/nm_logo_top-left.htm"
longdesc="NM Corporate Logo" target="contents">

<frame name="TOC" frameborder="no" scrolling="auto" target="contents"
title="Table of Contents"
longdesc="Table of Contents - left vertical INDIVIDUAL LINKS (no longer
a generated navigation bar)"
src="index.htm">

<frame name="Back-Next" frameborder="no" scrolling="no"
target="contents"
src="images/nav/back-next.htm"
longdesc="Back-Next Navigation Arrows">
</frameset>

<frameset rows="8%,80%,*,6%">
<frame name="topNAV" frameborder="no" scrolling="no"
src="images/nav/om_banner.htm"
marginheight="1" marginwidth="10" target="_self" >

<frame name="contents" frameborder="no" scrolling="yes"
src="1_om_overview.html" target="_self"
longdesc="O&M home text contents frame" >

<frame name="admin_nav" frameborder="no" scrolling="no"
target="contents" , title="Administration Navigation Links"
src="images/nav/nav_link_Admin.htm"
longdesc="nav links to administrative files">

<frame name="forms_NAV" frameborder="no" scrolling="no"
target="contents"
src="images/nav/nav_link_forms.htm" title="Forms Navigation Links"
longdesc="nav links for forms in Appendix F">
</frameset>

<noframes>
<body>
<p>This page uses frames, but your browser doesn't support them.</p>
<p>You may access the content of this site by either:
<ol>
<li>upgrading your browser; or
<li>exploring the folder and file structure (Browse to the
O&M web directory "nmatlom04" - either on the provided CD
or on your hard-drive.  Recommended hard drive location is C:/nmatl04).
Inside the nmatl04 web folder, open one of the following files to get
started:
<ul>
<li>index.htm (Table of Contents);
<li>cat-index (Table of Contents by Category);
<li>1_om_overview.html. This is the first text file, and contains links
to the next file in sequence.</li>
<li>om_contacts.htm contains O&M staff contacts that you can call to
ask for help.</li>
</ul>
<li>.
</ol>
</p>
</body>
</noframes>

</frameset>

</html>
 
J

John Kisha

Often when things start working in an unusual way and you are spending
too much time trying to figure out why, it is just best to start again
from the beginning.

I might try creating an entirely new frame page, then inserting the
pages in the appropriate areas and see if it just doesn't work.

Double check that the code in each included page has the correct _target
information and that there is no incorrect default target info for the
page anywhere in the code.

John Kisha
Inland Pacific Consulting
http://www.VisitUsAt.com
323-463-8300

-----Original Message-----
From: Begging4u2help [mailto:[email protected]]
Posted At: Friday, December 24, 2004 11:31 AM
Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.client
Conversation: Change pages open in 'contents' frame w/o opening multiple
frames.
Subject: Re: Change pages open in 'contents' frame w/o opening multiple
fra

Dang - I sent that last reply before I was ready...I meant to say:

Jon: The only reasons that I can come up with are:
....I was seduced into believing that frames are easy and the most
appropriate choice to achieve my desired layout.
....I have the parent frameset set up - (except that it doesn't work).
....I'm stubborn and persistent to a fault.

Murray: I'm becoming convinced that you're right.


I can't post the url, because this the local version is on my harddrive,
and
it will be published to CD, to be run off of CD or the user's C:. The
website is
an interface for a set of confidential documents...BUT I CAN post the
parent
frameset code. Here goes:

Code:
<html>

<head>
<title>O&M Home</title>

<meta name="keywords" content="O&M Home page">
<meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 6.0">
<meta name="ProgId" content="FrontPage.Editor.Document">

<base target="contents">

</head>

<frameset cols="26%,*" framespacing="0" border="0" frameborder="0">
<frameset rows="8%,*,12%">
<frame name="logo" frameborder="no" scrolling="no"
src="images/nav_bars/nm_logo_top-left.htm"
longdesc="NM Corporate Logo" target="contents">

<frame name="TOC" frameborder="no" scrolling="auto"
target="contents"
title="Table of Contents"
longdesc="Table of Contents - left vertical INDIVIDUAL LINKS (no
longer
a generated navigation bar)"
src="index.htm">

<frame name="Back-Next" frameborder="no" scrolling="no"
target="contents"
src="images/nav/back-next.htm"
longdesc="Back-Next Navigation Arrows">
</frameset>

<frameset rows="8%,80%,*,6%">
<frame name="topNAV" frameborder="no" scrolling="no"
src="images/nav/om_banner.htm"
marginheight="1" marginwidth="10" target="_self" >

<frame name="contents" frameborder="no" scrolling="yes"
src="1_om_overview.html" target="_self"
longdesc="O&M home text contents frame" >

<frame name="admin_nav" frameborder="no" scrolling="no"
target="contents" , title="Administration Navigation Links"
src="images/nav/nav_link_Admin.htm"
longdesc="nav links to administrative files">

<frame name="forms_NAV" frameborder="no" scrolling="no"
target="contents"
src="images/nav/nav_link_forms.htm" title="Forms Navigation Links"
longdesc="nav links for forms in Appendix F">
</frameset>

<noframes>
<body>
<p>This page uses frames, but your browser doesn't support them.</p>
<p>You may access the content of this site by either:
<ol>
<li>upgrading your browser; or
<li>exploring the folder and file structure (Browse to
the
O&M web directory "nmatlom04" - either on the
provided CD
or on your hard-drive.  Recommended hard drive
location is C:/nmatl04).
Inside the nmatl04 web folder, open one of the
following files to get
started:
<ul>
<li>index.htm (Table of Contents);
<li>cat-index (Table of Contents by
Category);
<li>1_om_overview.html. This is the
first text file, and contains links
to the next file in sequence.</li>
<li>om_contacts.htm contains O&M staff
contacts that you can call to
ask for help.</li>
</ul>
<li>.
</ol>
</p>
</body>
</noframes>

</frameset>

</html>
 

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