Changing Word X dictionary from US spelling to UK

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Timothy Smith

Hi guys,

I have tried on numerous occasions to change the US dictionary in Word X to
UK dictionary, without any success.

Please can someone detail step-by-step how to change the dictionary from US
to English.

I have looked in the Proofing tools folder and there is no UK dictionary
there, only US, where can I download this from?

Any help greatly appreciated!

Regards,

Tim Smith
 
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Corentin Cras-Méneur

Timothy Smith said:

Hi TIm,
I have tried on numerous occasions to change the US dictionary in Word X to
UK dictionary, without any success.

Please can someone detail step-by-step how to change the dictionary from US
to English.

I have looked in the Proofing tools folder and there is no UK dictionary
there, only US, where can I download this from?


You don't download it... You install it fromt eh Value Pack folder on
the Office install CD.
Make sure you reapply the Office updates afterwards since some of them
also apply to the proofing tools (especially for Office X - though I
don't know whether it also applies to the UK one).


Once it's installed, open the Normal template (Template folder in the
Office X folder), select all and change the language to English UK. Save
it and every new document from then on should be in English UK (and
using the proper proofing tools).


Corentin
 
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Timothy Smith

Hi,

Sorry I have version 11.1 of office, not X.

How do I install with this version.

Regards,

Tim
 
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Paul Berkowitz

If you did a standard install of Office 2004, you'll find the "Handheld Sync
Installer" in the Additional Tools folder in /Applications/Microsoft Office
2004. (If you did a customized install that omitted this, you'll find it in
the same place on the Office 2004 CD: copy it over.) Just double-click it.

The instructions are also in the Help.

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MVP MacOffice
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**2004**, X or 2001. It's often impossible to answer your questions
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Daiya Mitchell

It's not really the dictionary you need to change. You have to tag the text
as UK English, then Word will automatically use the UK dictionary.

Here's the draft of a page we are thinking to put on the MVP FAQ at
MacWord Tips: <http://www.word.mvps.org/MacWordNew/>
so I'd be particularly interesting in knowing if there are missing steps or
confusing statements:

First check your system settings. Go to System
Preferences>International>Input Menu and ensure the languages and keyboard
you want to use are installed and enabled. (UK is under British, by the way)

Look on your Menu Bar for the flag for the language you want to use (e.g. if
you are using "English Australian", there should be an Australian flag
there.) If either of these are wrong, Word will be asking for dictionaries
that may not exist.

Once the system settings are correct, you need to ensure that the text in
your Word document is tagged with the right language formatting. Click in a
word that isn¹t being spell-checked. Go to Tools>Language and make sure
that the "Mark Selected Text As" blue selection bar is highlighting the
language you want to use, and make sure the "do not check spelling or
grammar" box is not checked. (Older versions of Word (Word 98, 2001, WHAT
ABOUT X?) do not have a ³do not check spelling and grammar² box. Instead the
language list contains a ³(No Proofing)² option, which behaves similarly.)

If Tools | Language shows settings you don¹t want, here¹s how to fix it.

If only one document has gone wrong:

Select all the text, go to Tools | Language, select the desired language,
uncheck the ³do not check spelling or grammar² box, and hit OK. (If the ³do
not check spelling or grammar² box has a line in it, then part of your text
is tagged ³do not check.² Click twice to uncheck.)

If all your documents have gone wrong:

You probably need to modify the style that the text is formatted in. If you
click Default... From the Tools | Language dialog, Word will automatically
add that language tag to your Normal style, which is the default style for
text. Word will ask you something, answer yes. If on quitting Word, you get
a "save changes to Normal" question, answer yes.

If you don't want to make this change to the Normal style, here's how you
manually add language formatting to a style. Click in a word that is not
being spellchecked, and go to Format | Style. The style of that word will
already be selected in the left column of the dialog. Click Modify. Check
the ³add to template² box to save your changes to all new documents, but do
NOT check the ³automatically update² box. Use the Format drop-down menu at
the bottom of the Modify dialog to select Language‹select the Language you
want, and make sure the "do not check spelling or grammar" box is not
checked. Click OK to exit the Language dialog, OK to exit the Modify dialog,
and either Close or Apply to exit the Format | Style dialog.

Why does this happen?

One common reason is pasting in text from the web or another document, which
has a different language formatting. That text will carry its formatting
unless you use one of the paste options.

DM
 
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Corentin Cras-Méneur

Paul Berkowitz said:
If you did a standard install of Office 2004, you'll find the "Handheld Sync
Installer" in the Additional Tools folder in /Applications/Microsoft Office
2004. (If you did a customized install that omitted this, you'll find it in
the same place on the Office 2004 CD: copy it over.) Just double-click it.

The instructions are also in the Help.


Then Handheld sync installer ??? Nahhh, we're talking abouta/ the
rpoofing tools... ;-)

Corentin
 
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Corentin Cras-Méneur

Timothy Smith said:
Hi,

Sorry I have version 11.1 of office, not X.

How do I install with this version.


:) I see... I got confused when you mentioned Word X.
It's more or less the same thing for Word 2004.

If you performed a drag and drop install, then the proofindg tools are
all there and all you have to do is play with the Normal template as I
described it in my previous post. If you performed a custom install
through the installer, then you need to use the isntaller again to
install the proper proofing tools :))

Corentin
 
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Corentin Cras-Méneur

Daiya Mitchell said:
It's not really the dictionary you need to change. You have to tag the text
as UK English, then Word will automatically use the UK dictionary.


Well it depends... If you install Office without the UK proofing tool
you're out of luck (and Tim mentioned in his post that he checked his
installation and couldn't find the UK proofing tools).


[...]
First check your system settings. Go to System
Preferences>International>Input Menu and ensure the languages and keyboard
you want to use are installed and enabled. (UK is under British, by the way)


Hummmm Daiya, I'm not sure you need to do that. I sure don't do it for
French or Spanish. As far as I know, that's only required for typing in
other alphabets, or switching between different keyboard layout (US in
QWERTY or French in AZERTY for instance).

Setting the default language in the Normal template should do the trick
for all new documents :))



Corentin
 
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Corentin Cras-Méneur

Paul Berkowitz said:
Oops. Sorry, mind drifted.

:)

And I just saw my post.... My typing is getting worse and worse these
days. SpellCatcher is misbehaving on my Mac and it shows :-(

Corentin
 
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Daiya Mitchell

Well it depends... If you install Office without the UK proofing tool
you're out of luck (and Tim mentioned in his post that he checked his
installation and couldn't find the UK proofing tools).

Well--do *you* have separate UK proofing tools? Because I can assign UK as a
language and spellcheck in it, but I have a lot of files that are just
generic English in apps/office 2004/shared apps/proofing tools, and I
remember hearing re WinWord that to a certain extent it's all the same
files. I have a couple Australian files and a UK thesaurus, several US files
and 5 files that are just "English", but no UK spelling, yet, for instance,
I can set "gaol" as UK and spellcheck it no problem, when US marks it wrong.
And I know I installed all the languages.
[...]
First check your system settings. Go to System
Preferences>International>Input Menu and ensure the languages and keyboard
you want to use are installed and enabled. (UK is under British, by the way)


Hummmm Daiya, I'm not sure you need to do that. I sure don't do it for
French or Spanish. As far as I know, that's only required for typing in
other alphabets, or switching between different keyboard layout (US in
QWERTY or French in AZERTY for instance).

I don't really know--that's what John McGhie said, and certainly for a
couple people posting with spellcheck problems it was necessary. So it's in
the draft article to be complete.
Setting the default language in the Normal template should do the trick
for all new documents :))

As above--a couple who posted here before needed to set their systems as
well, that didn't work.

Daiya
 
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Corentin Cras-Méneur

Daiya Mitchell said:
Well--do *you* have separate UK proofing tools? Because I can assign UK as a
language and spellcheck in it, but I have a lot of files that are just
generic English in apps/office 2004/shared apps/proofing tools, and I
remember hearing re WinWord that to a certain extent it's all the same
files. I have a couple Australian files and a UK thesaurus, several US files
and 5 files that are just "English", but no UK spelling, yet, for instance,
I can set "gaol" as UK and spellcheck it no problem, when US marks it wrong.
And I know I installed all the languages.

Most fo the files are the same. Only the Thesaurus is stored in an
independent file ("UK English Thesaurus").

The problem arises for some installs in other localizations though when
no English proofing tool at all gets installed.
[...]
First check your system settings. Go to System
Preferences>International>Input Menu and ensure the languages and
keyboard you want to use are installed and enabled. (UK is under
British, by the way)


Hummmm Daiya, I'm not sure you need to do that. I sure don't do it for
French or Spanish. As far as I know, that's only required for typing in
other alphabets, or switching between different keyboard layout (US in
QWERTY or French in AZERTY for instance).

I don't really know--that's what John McGhie said, and certainly for a
couple people posting with spellcheck problems it was necessary. So it's in
the draft article to be complete.

Well I use the function on a daily basis and I sure don't have to switch
keyboard layout. That's useful languages that require that you change
keyboard layout (eg: Japanese), but certainly not for "roman" languages.
We have several people here who write in English and Spanish or French
adn none of them even have the Keyboard layout menu active (all layouts
on US).

Corentin
 
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Daiya Mitchell

Well--do *you* have separate UK proofing tools?
Most fo the files are the same. Only the Thesaurus is stored in an
independent file ("UK English Thesaurus").

The problem arises for some installs in other localizations though when
no English proofing tool at all gets installed.

So the OP had US English, so I assumed that he probably thought he had no UK
proofing tools because he didn't see UK proofing tools in the same way that
one can see Brazilian proofing tools. I figured that when he said they
weren't installed, he was just confused. So I just ignored that bit, and
suggested the standard language tag remedies. Since he's never come back,
who knows? :))
Well I use the function on a daily basis and I sure don't have to switch
keyboard layout. That's useful languages that require that you change
keyboard layout (eg: Japanese), but certainly not for "roman" languages.
We have several people here who write in English and Spanish or French
adn none of them even have the Keyboard layout menu active (all layouts
on US).
I'll scale it back to "you might need to check your system settings" and put
it after "if changing Normal doesn't work," for the article, then. Unless
John comes along and convinces me to flip-flop. Not sure if that suggestion
originally came up with regards to getting the default language to stick, or
just using languages.

Daiya
 
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Corentin Cras-Méneur

Daiya Mitchell said:
I'll scale it back to "you might need to check your system settings" and put
it after "if changing Normal doesn't work," for the article, then. Unless
John comes along and convinces me to flip-flop. Not sure if that suggestion
originally came up with regards to getting the default language to stick, or
just using languages.

In perform searches on Input Method for the system and languages on the
Help and didn't find any reference to a link between the selected input
method and the selection of the proofing tool as far as Word is
concerned.
Looking at the documentation for the System input method I really don;t
see how there could be a link but you never know (I've seen weirder
things ;-) ).

That's definitively something to investigate. Thanks for reminding me
this possibility Daiya :)


Corentin
 
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Daiya Mitchell

In perform searches on Input Method for the system and languages on the
Help and didn't find any reference to a link between the selected input
method and the selection of the proofing tool as far as Word is
concerned.
Looking at the documentation for the System input method I really don;t
see how there could be a link but you never know (I've seen weirder
things ;-) ).

That's definitively something to investigate. Thanks for reminding me
this possibility Daiya :)
Well, I was just quoting John McGhie. But here's a thread where it helped
people, if you want to investigate. Let me know what you find out. :)

<http://groups-beta.google.com/group/microsoft.public.mac.office/browse_frm/
thread/8d4ca608e35b2894/4bf88507c3194dab?q=AWOL&rnum=1#4bf88507c3194dab>

And this person never replied, so that may have been it, as Tools | Language
did not fix it:
<http://groups-beta.google.com/group/microsoft.public.mac.office.word/browse
_frm/thread/8cd3bbc89ff98884/34352d77d13f031f?q=quoting+john+mcghie&rnum=6#3
4352d77d13f031f>

It's conceivable that the slight editing I did on John's text is what has
thrown you off, so these threads have the original.

Daiya
 
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Corentin Cras-Méneur

Hi Daiya,
Well, I was just quoting John McGhie. But here's a thread where it helped
people, if you want to investigate. Let me know what you find out. :)

<http://groups-beta.google.com/group/microsoft.public.mac.office/browse_frm/
thread/8d4ca608e35b2894/4bf88507c3194dab?q=AWOL&rnum=1#4bf88507c3194dab>

Right I remember this thread now. The last post is most puzzling to me.
I suspect something went on at the same time. I made some more tests
yesterday evening and no matter what, there was no relationship between
whatever was selected in the International prefpane and the proofing
tools that were available to me in Word.

You might have noticed actually that one of the messages mentions that
the UK proofing tools were available in Entourage and not Word...

Anyway, no problem here for me spell-checking in French or Spanish with
only the US layout selected :)

And this person never replied, so that may have been it, as Tools | Language
did not fix it:
<http://groups-beta.google.com/group/microsoft.public.mac.office.word/browse
_frm/thread/8cd3bbc89ff98884/34352d77d13f031f?q=quoting+john+mcghie&rnum=6#3
4352d77d13f031f>

It's conceivable that the slight editing I did on John's text is what has
thrown you off, so these threads have the original.


I really don't know :-\
I just tried switching text from US English to UK then Australian
(without having the layouts selected) and Word was just fine.

According to Apple, the International prefpane lets you do several
things:
- select language for the user interface of the apps (which Word can't
use since the app is not "packaged", VPC will though).
- select the time, date and number formats (which Office uses)
- let you select the input method telling the system what keyboard
layout you use. This doesn't tell the apps what language you are typing
in, just the layout of the keys on your keyboard. Most people never ever
change the layout (but they can use multiple languages in Word just
fine). The only ones I know who have to either have two different
keyboards (I do) or also use their keyboard to type in different
alphabets (Chinese, Japanese, Arabic, Hebrew).


Corentin
 
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Phillip M. Jones, CE.T.

Corentin said:
:)

And I just saw my post.... My typing is getting worse and worse these
days. SpellCatcher is misbehaving on my Mac and it shows :-(

Corentin

Don't fel bad no worsa than mine. :)

No one is perfect "all" the time ;-)

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Phillip M. Jones, CE.T.

Corentin said:
Well--do *you* have separate UK proofing tools? Because I can assign UK as a
language and spellcheck in it, but I have a lot of files that are just
generic English in apps/office 2004/shared apps/proofing tools, and I
remember hearing re WinWord that to a certain extent it's all the same
files. I have a couple Australian files and a UK thesaurus, several US files
and 5 files that are just "English", but no UK spelling, yet, for instance,
I can set "gaol" as UK and spellcheck it no problem, when US marks it wrong.
And I know I installed all the languages.


Most fo the files are the same. Only the Thesaurus is stored in an
independent file ("UK English Thesaurus").

The problem arises for some installs in other localizations though when
no English proofing tool at all gets installed.

[...]

First check your system settings. Go to System
Preferences>International>Input Menu and ensure the languages and
keyboard you want to use are installed and enabled. (UK is under
British, by the way)


Hummmm Daiya, I'm not sure you need to do that. I sure don't do it for
French or Spanish. As far as I know, that's only required for typing in
other alphabets, or switching between different keyboard layout (US in
QWERTY or French in AZERTY for instance).

I don't really know--that's what John McGhie said, and certainly for a
couple people posting with spellcheck problems it was necessary. So it's in
the draft article to be complete.


Well I use the function on a daily basis and I sure don't have to switch
keyboard layout. That's useful languages that require that you change
keyboard layout (eg: Japanese), but certainly not for "roman" languages.
We have several people here who write in English and Spanish or French
adn none of them even have the Keyboard layout menu active (all layouts
on US).

Corentin
We even have one here that write's in hilbilly. :p

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Corentin Cras-Méneur

Phillip M. Jones said:
Don't fel bad no worsa than mine. :)

No one is perfect "all" the time ;-)

:-\ Yeah, but I'd like to be "just OK" at least from time to time ;-)

Corentin
 

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