cidaemon.exe at 99% but with no HDD activity.

[Patrick Schmid]

FYI, in the next beta release, Outlook will use the old slow search for
all pages that haven't been indexed by WDS yet. So you should always get
all results, even if you typed a word just a few seconds ago.

Patrick Schmid

 

[Rainald Taesler]

Try keeping up with reading them...

myomy ...

Is it of use to have the mail directory included in the list of
directories to be indexed if one is working with Outlook Express?
Will the Indexing Engine work with what is contained in the DBX files?

Rainald

 

[Ben M. Schorr - MVP]

Aloha Rainald,

Not the one that comes with B2 of OneNote 2007. Not sure about the full
version of WDS.

-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr - MVP
Roland Schorr & Tower
http://www.rolandschorr.com
Microsoft OneNote FAQ: http://www.factplace.com/onenotefaq.htm

 

[Patrick Schmid]

I actually use Outlook 2007 with the NewsHound add-in from
www.shorelinesoftware.com to get newsgroup messages directly into
Outlook. No idea how to use WDS with Outlook Express.

Patrick Schmid

 

[Rainald Taesler]

Thanks, Ben.
Rainald

Aloha Rainald,

Not the one that comes with B2 of OneNote 2007. Not sure about
the full version of WDS.

-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr - MVP
Roland Schorr & Tower
http://www.rolandschorr.com
Microsoft OneNote FAQ: http://www.factplace.com/onenotefaq.htm

 

[Rainald Taesler]

I actually use Outlook 2007 with the NewsHound add-in from
www.shorelinesoftware.com to get newsgroup messages directly into
Outlook.

Interesting approach. Thanks for the reference.
Will try it out someday soon (if I dare making the move to OL2007
<g>).
But I'm pretty sure that it won't be a tool for me.
Apart from the fact that from liking the look and feel of OE far more
and for mail use OL only for special tasks like "ink mails" from the
TabletPC, with a long years background of working in NGs, I'm simply
unable to work with this medium without a threaded view.

No idea how to use WDS with Outlook Express.

My idea was not "using" it with OE. I was just thinking if indexing
the mail folders might make any sense and I'd better save the disk
space.
Google Desktop Search is quite efficient in finding the stuff in the
OE mai-folders.
Let's wait and see what MS will let us have.
I'm more than only sceptical that on the first run they'll produce
something being an equivalent.

Rainald

 

[Patrick Schmid]

Outlook has a threaded view. It groups messages by conversation which
means unless the subject line doesn't change (save the Re: of course) it
is grouped together correctly.
You can actually group email messages as well like that.

Patrick Schmid

 

[Rainald Taesler]

Patrick Schmid <[email protected]> shared these words of
wisdom:

[...]

Outlook has a threaded view. It groups messages by conversation
which means unless the subject line doesn't change (save the Re:
of course) it is grouped together correctly.
You can actually group email messages as well like that.

Sounds really interesting.
Is this new in OL 07?

Could not detetct this on the screen-shots of NewsHound.
Will have to have a closer look.
May be some day I might make my peace with OL <bg>

Thanks for the info
Rainald

 

[Patrick Schmid]

Don't think it's new. Check the View menu for an arrangement by
Conversation (2007 has a dedicated submenu for that, I don't think 2003
has. In 2003, I think you need to change the grouping, but I am not
sure).
Outlook's UI supports conversations because Exchange Server offers that
kind of functionality (in public folders, you can even have an Exchange
Server take a newsgroup and use it as a proxy for it. Hence via Exchange
Server, Outlook does support newsgroups).

Patrick Schmid
--------------
http://pschmid.net

Patrick Schmid <[email protected]> shared these words of
wisdom:

[...]

Outlook has a threaded view. It groups messages by conversation
which means unless the subject line doesn't change (save the Re:
of course) it is grouped together correctly.
You can actually group email messages as well like that.

Sounds really interesting.
Is this new in OL 07?

Could not detetct this on the screen-shots of NewsHound.
Will have to have a closer look.
May be some day I might make my peace with OL <bg>

Thanks for the info
Rainald

 

[Rainald Taesler]

Patrick,
thanks for the explanations.

It seems that we are talking about different things.
Yes, OL2003 can sort mails for "conversation".
But that's not what I understand under "threaded" view.
Items belonging to a coversation are just sitting one after the other
with no indication of which reply might belong to what.

Different with news readers.
Due to the type of the medium and its characteristics news readers in
general offer views showing the branches of a discussion indicating
which posting is deriving from which other posting.

Without that it's very difficult (almost impossible as to my opinon)
to really follow a discussion where several people were involved.
The style of the postings in here (mostly following the habits of mail
with full quote and reply on top seems to mirror the lack of keeping
to the criteria of the medium [siiiigh].

As said, news-reader have this feature and its a true essential. And
AFAICS this is deriving from older forms of discussion forums like the
old CompuServe fora.

As I had assumed, OL does not offer any visual means for showing what
belongs to what. Totally different in OE. There the branches are
clearly visble.
So OE IMO is the minimum one must have - if not using Forte Agent,
Gravity or the like.

Will have to see if the submenus in OL 2007 will cahnge anything. If
not, unfortunately no way for me to make a move to Outlook :-( :-(

Thanks again
Rainald

Don't think it's new. Check the View menu for an arrangement by
Conversation (2007 has a dedicated submenu for that, I don't
think 2003 has. In 2003, I think you need to change the
grouping, but I am not sure).
Outlook's UI supports conversations because Exchange Server
offers that kind of functionality (in public folders, you can
even have an Exchange Server take a newsgroup and use it as a
proxy for it. Hence via Exchange Server, Outlook does support
newsgroups).
Patrick Schmid
--------------
http://pschmid.net

Patrick Schmid <[email protected]> shared these words of
wisdom:

[...]

with a long years background of
working in NGs, I'm simply unable to work with this medium
without a threaded view.

Outlook has a threaded view. It groups messages by conversation
which means unless the subject line doesn't change (save the
Re: of course) it is grouped together correctly.
You can actually group email messages as well like that.

Sounds really interesting.
Is this new in OL 07?

Could not detetct this on the screen-shots of NewsHound.
Will have to have a closer look.
May be some day I might make my peace with OL <bg>

Thanks for the info
Rainald

 

[Patrick Schmid]

Hi Rainald,

See http://pschmid.net/office2007/download/conversationview.png for a
view of this current thread. Notice that some of the older messages are
missing (the one that started the thread e.g.) as I have a filter that
hides everything older than 7 days.
Interestingly, I don't use this view to read messages. As I'm monitoring
around 20 newsgroups, I created a search folder that gets all unread
messages out of them and displays them to me. That's easier for me to
use. It also gets around the major performance problems Outlook 2007 has
with folders that have thousands of messages. If I were reading the
messages in their original folders, I'd be waiting at least 1 minute
when I was switching between some of the bigger folders (Outlook, Word,
Excel e.g.). So I actually like when people don't cut away the replies
on the bottom, as this makes my life easier.
I think you can switch on this view in Outlook 2003, but I honestly
don't know the exact settings you have to make to do this.

Patrick Schmid
--------------
http://pschmid.net

Patrick,
thanks for the explanations.

It seems that we are talking about different things.
Yes, OL2003 can sort mails for "conversation".
But that's not what I understand under "threaded" view.
Items belonging to a coversation are just sitting one after the other
with no indication of which reply might belong to what.

Different with news readers.
Due to the type of the medium and its characteristics news readers in
general offer views showing the branches of a discussion indicating
which posting is deriving from which other posting.

Without that it's very difficult (almost impossible as to my opinon)
to really follow a discussion where several people were involved.
The style of the postings in here (mostly following the habits of mail
with full quote and reply on top seems to mirror the lack of keeping
to the criteria of the medium [siiiigh].

As said, news-reader have this feature and its a true essential. And
AFAICS this is deriving from older forms of discussion forums like the
old CompuServe fora.

As I had assumed, OL does not offer any visual means for showing what
belongs to what. Totally different in OE. There the branches are
clearly visble.
So OE IMO is the minimum one must have - if not using Forte Agent,
Gravity or the like.

Will have to see if the submenus in OL 2007 will cahnge anything. If
not, unfortunately no way for me to make a move to Outlook :-( :-(

Thanks again
Rainald

Don't think it's new. Check the View menu for an arrangement by
Conversation (2007 has a dedicated submenu for that, I don't
think 2003 has. In 2003, I think you need to change the
grouping, but I am not sure).
Outlook's UI supports conversations because Exchange Server
offers that kind of functionality (in public folders, you can
even have an Exchange Server take a newsgroup and use it as a
proxy for it. Hence via Exchange Server, Outlook does support
newsgroups).
Patrick Schmid
--------------
http://pschmid.net

Patrick Schmid <[email protected]> shared these words of
wisdom:

[...]
with a long years background of
working in NGs, I'm simply unable to work with this medium
without a threaded view.

Outlook has a threaded view. It groups messages by conversation
which means unless the subject line doesn't change (save the
Re: of course) it is grouped together correctly.
You can actually group email messages as well like that.

Sounds really interesting.
Is this new in OL 07?

Could not detetct this on the screen-shots of NewsHound.
Will have to have a closer look.
May be some day I might make my peace with OL <bg>

Thanks for the info
Rainald