copy and paste text crashes word

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John McGhie

Hi John:

Welcome to "the blame game", otherwise known as "finger-pointing" :)

I agree with their comment that an application should be able to gracefully
recover. But software does not live in a perfect world. In this case, as
far as Word is concerned, it believes that it has nothing to recover "from".
It can't tell that it has hung, it simply knows that it's waiting. It's the
operating system's job to tell it that what it is waiting for is not going
to ever occur.

Just what the Microsoft developers found I don't know, other than what they
told me which is "it's not in our code". That's all they said.

Busy software developers working on the next version of a major product
don't stop around to chat. And software developers are legendary for
"answering only the question that was asked, nothing more".

Either way: All I know is that they said "It's not in our code". Chances
are, they don't know whose code the problem actually occurs in. They can
see from the dump where the program counter was pointing: so they know the
memory location in which the problem occurred. They know that their
software has nothing in that location. Chances are, they DON'T know what
software (if any..) does have something in that location.

I am sure they could find out. But they would have to spend four hours
setting things up to get that information, and it would not do them any
good, because they know it's not in their code so they know they can't do
anything about it.

But I am speculating here. We have "It's not in our code". That's twice as
good as what we usually get on these things. Usually, they simply say "We
will investigate" and I hear nothing more.

So: I can't add anything further.

Cheers


Hi John,

Can you elaborate on what the developers found out and whose code it is?

I got this response on the Apple boards (not from Apple) for what it is
worth...

Thanks for your all your help, by the way.

John



If their software is freezing up, it's certainly nobody else's fault. If
those Apple apps are for
some reason creating bad clipboard data, Microsoft's apps should be able to
gracefully recover and report the problem. Error handling is probably one of
the most important, and most difficult, aspects of programming, but you can't
blame poor error handling on anyone but the developer. I suspect that, rather
than bad clipboard data, it's more likely to be a case of Microsoft's apps
simply not understanding something about perfectly valid clipboard data,
because they haven't properly followed Apple developer guidelines.

--

The email below is my business email -- Please do not email me about forum
matters unless I ask you to; or unless you intend to pay!

John McGhie, Microsoft MVP (Word, Mac Word), Consultant Technical Writer,
McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
Sydney, Australia. | Ph: +61 (0)4 1209 1410 | mailto:[email protected]
 
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John Heffernan

John,

I know you did everything you could, which I appreciate. But the customers
experiencing this issue still have no solution. This is where, in my
experience as a software engineer some years ago, the really good one will
work with the other company, presumably Apple in this case, to solve the
problem, which does not sound like it is going to happen. So we are left
with switching to Open Office or reinstalling OS X from scratch after backing
up and then erasing the disk and reinstalling the OS and all applications in
the hope that it might fix the problem. Not very choices.

John
 
J

John Heffernan

I did find a workaround for this problem.

If you paste from Safari, Mail, Pages, TextEdit into the older AppleWorks
program first, you can then paste into Word without a hang.

It seems like there is some problem between the newer Apple programs and
Office. It does not seem to affect all computers, which I do not understand.
Hopefully, Apple and Microsoft will fix this problem in the future.

John
 
J

John McGhie

Hi John:

Well, I have a fairly high degree of hope that this issue will be resolved
if you buy Office 2011. Office 2011 is a major upgrade, apparently due at
the end of this year.

As a former software engineer, you know as well as I do that shrink-wrap
(retail) software is a low-margin industry that does not support a lot of
support or maintenance activity.

Sorry, but that's the reality. If functionality is important, it's up to us
to test for it. As you know, major companies very carefully qualify an
entire desktop environment so it supports what they need.

Cheers


I did find a workaround for this problem.

If you paste from Safari, Mail, Pages, TextEdit into the older AppleWorks
program first, you can then paste into Word without a hang.

It seems like there is some problem between the newer Apple programs and
Office. It does not seem to affect all computers, which I do not understand.
Hopefully, Apple and Microsoft will fix this problem in the future.

John

--

The email below is my business email -- Please do not email me about forum
matters unless I ask you to; or unless you intend to pay!

John McGhie, Microsoft MVP (Word, Mac Word), Consultant Technical Writer,
McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
Sydney, Australia. | Ph: +61 (0)4 1209 1410 | mailto:[email protected]
 
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Bill_Capehart

Unfortunately, I have the "same" freeze symptoms more-often-than-not when I begin typing into a virgin document on opening Word. I have done all of the above and other recommendations from other MVPs (who have become the whipping boys & gals on this rather than MBU) on other boards and I still get the error. I do not have Promethium. This ONLY happens with MS Word (and now it's starting to impact MS Excel).

I'd love to try 2011 but as you say it won't be out till the end of the year (I'll hedge my bets and say middle of the next year). I don't want to start a new learning curve with iWork, buy MathType, and also deal with the lack of 1:1 document computability between Pages and Word 2007/8 and frustrate my colleagues. But the situation is leaving me little choice.

While we really do very much appreciate what MVPs like you are trying to do to help slobs us in the LUSER community, we'd appreciate a solution from the source. This problem has gone on long enough... and our productivity and confidence in MS products are suffering :-/
 
J

John McGhie

Hi Bill:

You do not have "the same" freeze problems. You have a highly individual
set of problems that are causing your individual copy of Word to freeze.

Start your own thread and we'll help you fix it.

But we need to employ a specific, focussed solution customised for YOUR
computer. So make sure you give us plenty of technical details and version
numbers.

Cheers


Unfortunately, I have the "same" freeze symptoms more-often-than-not when I
begin typing into a virgin document on opening Word. I have done all of the
above and other recommendations from other MVPs (who have become the whipping
boys & gals on this rather than MBU) on other boards and I still get the
error. I do not have Promethium. This ONLY happens with MS Word (and now
it's starting to impact MS Excel).

I'd love to try 2011 but as you say it won't be out till the end of the year
(I'll hedge my bets and say middle of the next year). I don't want to start a
new learning curve with iWork, buy MathType, and also deal with the lack of
1:1 document computability between Pages and Word 2007/8 and frustrate my
colleagues. But the situation is leaving me little choice.

While we really do very much appreciate what MVPs like you are trying to do to
help slobs us in the LUSER community, we'd appreciate a solution from the
source. This problem has gone on long enough... and our productivity and
confidence in MS products are suffering :-/

--

The email below is my business email -- Please do not email me about forum
matters unless I ask you to; or unless you intend to pay!

John McGhie, Microsoft MVP (Word, Mac Word), Consultant Technical Writer,
McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
Sydney, Australia. | Ph: +61 (0)4 1209 1410 | mailto:[email protected]
 
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Bill_Capehart

Hi Bill:
>
> You do not have "the same" freeze problems. You have a highly individual
> set of problems that are causing your individual copy of Word to freeze.
>
> Start your own thread and we'll help you fix it.
>
> But we need to employ a specific, focussed solution customised for YOUR
> computer. So make sure you give us plenty of technical details and version
> numbers.
>
> Cheers
>
>
> On 10/04/10 5:55 AM, in article (e-mail address removed)2ac0,
> "[email protected]" wrote:
>
>
> --
>
> The email below is my business email -- Please do not email me about forum
> matters unless I ask you to; or unless you intend to pay!
>
> John McGhie, Microsoft MVP (Word, Mac Word), Consultant Technical Writer,
> McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
> Sydney, Australia. | Ph: +61 (0)4 1209 1410 | mailto:[email protected]

Hi John,

I placed a request for help on my problem back in Feb.

It's here:

http://www.officeformac.com/ms/ProductForums/Word/9531/1

Bill
 
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JOHN HEFFERNAN

Just wanted to let everyone know that this problem was NOT SOLVED by Microsoft Office 11.
If I copy text from Textedit or a pdf (using Preview) and then paste
that text into Word it will crash. Once that happens I have to log out
of OSX and come back before Word will run without crashing (it will open
and as soon as I enter a keystroke or select a menu it crashes). Copy
and pasting from within word is fine. Running the latest version of
Office 2008. Any thoughts?
On Tuesday, March 16, 2010 6:16 AM CyberTaz wrote:
What version/update of OS X? Have you recently repaired disk permissions?

The behavior you describe suggests that it may well not be a fault of Word,
but that perhaps something is being put on the clipboard which Word cannot
resolve. Is there anything other than plain text in what you are copying?
Links? Web content? What do you see if you switch to Finder after copying &
select Edit> Show Clipboard? Have you tried using Edit> Paste Special -
Unformatted Text? What additional details can you provide.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



On 3/15/10 11:47 PM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Hadron"
On Wednesday, March 17, 2010 10:19 PM John Heffernan wrote:
Hi Bob,

I applied the combo updater, repaired permissions, and created a new
account. The problem persists.

Here is part of a crash dump (it is too long to put here) if that helps. I am
seeing some threads from a Prometheus Smartboard software, which I do not even
use on this machine. I will see if I can uninstall it.

John




Date/Time: 2010-03-17 22:12:08 -0400
OS Version: 10.6.2 (Build 10C540)
Architecture: x86_64
Report Version: 6

Command: Word
Path: /Applications/Microsoft Office 2008/Microsoft
Word.app/Contents/MacOS/Microsoft Word
Version: 12.2.4 (12.2.4)
Build Version: 0
Project Name: (null)
Source Version: 100205
Parent: launchd [101]

PID: 142
Event: hang
Duration: 6.44s (sampling started after 2 seconds)
Steps: 44 (100ms sampling interval)

Pageins: 34
Pageouts: 0


Process: Microsoft Word [142]
Path: /Applications/Microsoft Office 2008/Microsoft
Word.app/Contents/MacOS/Microsoft Word
UID: 501


Process: ACTIVdevice [157]
Path:
/System/Library/Extensions/IOACTIV.kext/Contents/PlugIns/ACTIVdevice.app/Contents/MacOS/ACTIVdevice
UID: 501

Thread 96fe000 DispatchQueue 100
User stack:
44 start + 41 (in ACTIVdevice) [0x2259]
44 _start + 216 (in ACTIVdevice) [0x2332]
44 main + 40 (in ACTIVdevice) [0x2fe0]
44 RunProgram() + 30 (in ACTIVdevice) [0x3dd0]
44 RunApplicationEventLoop + 228 (in HIToolbox) [0x95c2f944]
44 _AcquireNextEvent + 54 (in HIToolbox) [0x95c39c02]
44 ReceiveNextEventCommon + 354 (in HIToolbox) [0x95ab1cc3]
44 RunCurrentEventLoopInMode + 392 (in HIToolbox)
[0x95ab1f0c]
44 CFRunLoopRunInMode + 97 (in CoreFoundation)
[0x90d97691]
44 CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 452 (in CoreFoundation)
[0x90d97864]
44 __CFRunLoopRun + 2079 (in CoreFoundation)
[0x90d9877f]
44 mach_msg_trap + 10 (in libSystem.B.dylib)
[0x9003b8da]
Kernel stack:
44 ipc_mqueue_receive_continue + 0 [0x210aa3]

Thread 81f7b7c DispatchQueue 1634545000
User stack:
44 start_wqthread + 30 (in libSystem.B.dylib) [0x90061336]
44 _pthread_wqthread + 390 (in libSystem.B.dylib) [0x900614f1]
44 _dispatch_worker_thread2 + 234 (in libSystem.B.dylib) [0x90061a68]
44 _dispatch_queue_invoke + 163 (in libSystem.B.dylib) [0x90061cc3]
44 kevent + 10 (in libSystem.B.dylib) [0x900620ea]
Kernel stack:
44 kevent + 97 [0x471745]

Binary Images:
0x1000 - 0x16fff com.prometheanworld.activdevice 5.1 (5.1 Build
23) <00010203-0405-0607-0809-0A0B0C0D0E0F>
/System/Library/Extensions/IOACTIV.kext/Contents/PlugIns/ACTIVdevice.app/Contents/MacOS/ACTIVdevice
0x9003b000 - 0x901dffeb libSystem.B.dylib ??? (???)
<D45B91B2-2B4C-AAC0-8096-1FC48B7E9672> /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib
0x90d5c000 - 0x90ed3fef com.apple.CoreFoundation 6.6.1 (550.13)
<AE9FC6F7-F0B2-DE58-759E-7DB89C021A46>
/System/Library/Frameworks/CoreFoundation.framework/Versions/A/CoreFoundation
0x95a7d000 - 0x95da0fef com.apple.HIToolbox 1.6.2 (???)
<E02640B9-7BC3-A4B4-6202-9E4127DDFDD6>
/System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/HIToolbox.framework/Versions/A/HIToolbox


Process: ACTIVhardware [159]
Path:
/System/Library/Extensions/IOACTIV.kext/Contents/PlugIns/ACTIVhardware.app/Contents/MacOS/ACTIVhardware
UID: 501
3/18/10 7:05:10 AM pkgutil[432] PackageKit: *** Missing bundle identifier:
/Library/Receipts/Office2008_en_word.pkg
 
J

JOHN HEFFERNAN

Just a note that this issue was not resolved in Office 2011.
If I copy text from Textedit or a pdf (using Preview) and then paste
that text into Word it will crash. Once that happens I have to log out
of OSX and come back before Word will run without crashing (it will open
and as soon as I enter a keystroke or select a menu it crashes). Copy
and pasting from within word is fine. Running the latest version of
Office 2008. Any thoughts?
On Tuesday, March 16, 2010 6:16 AM CyberTaz wrote:
What version/update of OS X? Have you recently repaired disk permissions?

The behavior you describe suggests that it may well not be a fault of Word,
but that perhaps something is being put on the clipboard which Word cannot
resolve. Is there anything other than plain text in what you are copying?
Links? Web content? What do you see if you switch to Finder after copying &
select Edit> Show Clipboard? Have you tried using Edit> Paste Special -
Unformatted Text? What additional details can you provide.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



On 3/15/10 11:47 PM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Hadron"
On Wednesday, March 17, 2010 10:19 PM John Heffernan wrote:
Hi Bob,

I applied the combo updater, repaired permissions, and created a new
account. The problem persists.

Here is part of a crash dump (it is too long to put here) if that helps. I am
seeing some threads from a Prometheus Smartboard software, which I do not even
use on this machine. I will see if I can uninstall it.

John




Date/Time: 2010-03-17 22:12:08 -0400
OS Version: 10.6.2 (Build 10C540)
Architecture: x86_64
Report Version: 6

Command: Word
Path: /Applications/Microsoft Office 2008/Microsoft
Word.app/Contents/MacOS/Microsoft Word
Version: 12.2.4 (12.2.4)
Build Version: 0
Project Name: (null)
Source Version: 100205
Parent: launchd [101]

PID: 142
Event: hang
Duration: 6.44s (sampling started after 2 seconds)
Steps: 44 (100ms sampling interval)

Pageins: 34
Pageouts: 0


Process: Microsoft Word [142]
Path: /Applications/Microsoft Office 2008/Microsoft
Word.app/Contents/MacOS/Microsoft Word
UID: 501


Process: ACTIVdevice [157]
Path:
/System/Library/Extensions/IOACTIV.kext/Contents/PlugIns/ACTIVdevice.app/Contents/MacOS/ACTIVdevice
UID: 501

Thread 96fe000 DispatchQueue 100
User stack:
44 start + 41 (in ACTIVdevice) [0x2259]
44 _start + 216 (in ACTIVdevice) [0x2332]
44 main + 40 (in ACTIVdevice) [0x2fe0]
44 RunProgram() + 30 (in ACTIVdevice) [0x3dd0]
44 RunApplicationEventLoop + 228 (in HIToolbox) [0x95c2f944]
44 _AcquireNextEvent + 54 (in HIToolbox) [0x95c39c02]
44 ReceiveNextEventCommon + 354 (in HIToolbox) [0x95ab1cc3]
44 RunCurrentEventLoopInMode + 392 (in HIToolbox)
[0x95ab1f0c]
44 CFRunLoopRunInMode + 97 (in CoreFoundation)
[0x90d97691]
44 CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 452 (in CoreFoundation)
[0x90d97864]
44 __CFRunLoopRun + 2079 (in CoreFoundation)
[0x90d9877f]
44 mach_msg_trap + 10 (in libSystem.B.dylib)
[0x9003b8da]
Kernel stack:
44 ipc_mqueue_receive_continue + 0 [0x210aa3]

Thread 81f7b7c DispatchQueue 1634545000
User stack:
44 start_wqthread + 30 (in libSystem.B.dylib) [0x90061336]
44 _pthread_wqthread + 390 (in libSystem.B.dylib) [0x900614f1]
44 _dispatch_worker_thread2 + 234 (in libSystem.B.dylib) [0x90061a68]
44 _dispatch_queue_invoke + 163 (in libSystem.B.dylib) [0x90061cc3]
44 kevent + 10 (in libSystem.B.dylib) [0x900620ea]
Kernel stack:
44 kevent + 97 [0x471745]

Binary Images:
0x1000 - 0x16fff com.prometheanworld.activdevice 5.1 (5.1 Build
23) <00010203-0405-0607-0809-0A0B0C0D0E0F>
/System/Library/Extensions/IOACTIV.kext/Contents/PlugIns/ACTIVdevice.app/Contents/MacOS/ACTIVdevice
0x9003b000 - 0x901dffeb libSystem.B.dylib ??? (???)
<D45B91B2-2B4C-AAC0-8096-1FC48B7E9672> /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib
0x90d5c000 - 0x90ed3fef com.apple.CoreFoundation 6.6.1 (550.13)
<AE9FC6F7-F0B2-DE58-759E-7DB89C021A46>
/System/Library/Frameworks/CoreFoundation.framework/Versions/A/CoreFoundation
0x95a7d000 - 0x95da0fef com.apple.HIToolbox 1.6.2 (???)
<E02640B9-7BC3-A4B4-6202-9E4127DDFDD6>
/System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/HIToolbox.framework/Versions/A/HIToolbox


Process: ACTIVhardware [159]
Path:
/System/Library/Extensions/IOACTIV.kext/Contents/PlugIns/ACTIVhardware.app/Contents/MacOS/ACTIVhardware
UID: 501
3/18/10 7:05:10 AM pkgutil[432] PackageKit: *** Missing bundle identifier:
/Library/Receipts/Office2008_en_word.pkg
 

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