Dash conversion on letter plus hyphen

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Benjamin Barrett

Every once in a while, Word 2007 will convert a letter-hyphen sequence into a
dash. I took a snapshot (upload not available on this forum), clearly showing
that this is the sequence that is being changed.

There is no matching entry for this in the auto-correct entries.

It's possible that this is caused by my Trados addon, but I doubt it because
the snapshot shows it to be a dash conversion auto correct item.
 
H

Herb Tyson [MVP]

Is it a single hyphen that's being replaced or a double hyphen?

This might be coming from an AutoFormat As You Type setting rather than an
AutoCorrect setting. In the AutoCorrect dialog, click on the AutoFormat As
You Type tab and see if "Hyphens (--) with dash..." is enabled.
 
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Benjamin Barrett

It might be that it's the "long vowel sounds with dash" option under "replace
as you type" that's causing this. If so, it's probably a part of the language
bug that causes Word to incorrectly set languages, etc. Even so, "d-" is NOT
applicable to long vowel sounds.
 
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Benjamin Barrett

Thank you for the response. It's a letter plus a hyphen. For example

d-
f-
a-

(The only one I actually have confirmation for at this time is d-.)

The double hyphen to dash setting is checked, but that's not what's being
converted. It's a letter plus a hyphen.
 
T

Terry Farrell

There's also a possibility that it is converting to a numbered list; so
disable the numbered list options under the AutoFormat tabs.
 
B

Bob Buckland ?:-\)

What are the editing languages you have enabled in Word 2007
Office Button=>Word Options=>Popular=>[Language Settings]

You're saying that you are seeing a 'long vowel sounds with dash' choice if you bring up the dialog using Alt, T, A (or
Office Button=>Word Options=>Proofing=>[AutoCorrect Options]
under 'AutoCorrect - [x] Replace text as you type?'

To see if it is related to your Add-in, try starting Word 2007 while holding the control key.

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It might be that it's the "long vowel sounds with dash" option under "replace
as you type" that's causing this. If so, it's probably a part of the language
bug that causes Word to incorrectly set languages, etc. Even so, "d-" is NOT
applicable to long vowel sounds. <<
--

Bob Buckland ?:)
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*
 
S

Suzanne S. Barnhill

I see a hyphen becoming an en dash on -d but not on d- (in the former case,
it *is* a result of AutoFormat As You Type and is "by design," albeit often
unwanted).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
 
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Benjamin Barrett

I'm happy to send you the snapshot of it. It shows a d- grayed out with the
pull-down menu saying "Redo Dash" and the item below it saying "Stop
Automatically Creating Dashes :)
 
B

Beth Melton

If you are seeing the AutoCorrect Options button then that doesn't
necessarily mean what you are encountering is an AutoCorrect entry. It could
also be an AutoFormat as you Type option, which, like several others I
suspect it's an AutoFormat As You Type option. Try turning off "Hyphens (--)
with dash ()" and see if it continues to occur. Also, does the bottom of the
AutoCorrect Options menu have a "Control AutoFormat Options" command? If so
then click the command and the AutoFormat As You Type options should be
displayed.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Melton
What is a Microsoft MVP? http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs

Guides for the Office 2007 Interface:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/training/HA102295841033.aspx
 
H

Herb Tyson [MVP]

I'm beginning to think that what you're seeing *is* being caused by the
Trados add-in. A description I'm reading talks about its automatically
converting dashes.

You originally said that this happens "every once in a while". But, if you
can make it happen at will, try temporarily disabling the Trados add-in and
see if it still does it.
 
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Benjamin Barrett

I asked the Trados support group, and nobody else has this problem, so I'm
pretty well convinced this is a Word bug.

The editing languages are English and Japanese.

It seems this might be due to the "long vowel sounds with dash" choice under
AutoFormat As You Type (and perhaps related to the language bug), but the
conversion that occurs is "Redo Dash"/"Stop Automatically creating Dashes."
Perhaps they are linked or it's just the language bug kicking in because I
have Japanese enabled.

I've unchecked the long vowels option and will see if that solves this.
 
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Benjamin Barrett

Unfortunately, both AutoCorrect and AutoFormat As You Type are under
"AutoCorrect," so it's confusing. In any case, I don't have an AutoCorrect
option for "d-." The correction that is being made says "Control AutoFormat
Options," so it is probably either hyphen to dash or the long vowel option in
conjunction with the language bug that is causing this.
 
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Bob Buckland ?:-\)

Hi Benjamin,

If you type, for example, d - e (i.e. a space between two members of a set) then the conversion to then the conversion you're
seeing would be normal.
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/help/HA102100871033.aspx, but typing just
d- (no space character) I don't get the behavior you're seeing.

Perhaps you can provide some additional information on your keyboard/IME settings, regional language, language of applied text,
font and a longer text sample to be typed in and try typing the same thing with the Trados Add-In disabled to see if you still get
this.

I've checked the separate Autocorrect settings within the IME Advanced settings and found nothing there.

I'm not using the Trados Add-in.
I'm using
Windows XP
Word 2007 SP1
'long vowel with dash' correction turned.

Typing d- with either English Keyboard or Japanese IME, it's not triggering a conversion.

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I asked the Trados support group, and nobody else has this problem, so I'm
pretty well convinced this is a Word bug.

The editing languages are English and Japanese.

It seems this might be due to the "long vowel sounds with dash" choice under
AutoFormat As You Type (and perhaps related to the language bug), but the
conversion that occurs is "Redo Dash"/"Stop Automatically creating Dashes."
Perhaps they are linked or it's just the language bug kicking in because I
have Japanese enabled.

I've unchecked the long vowels option and will see if that solves this. <<
--

Bob Buckland ?:)
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*
 
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Benjamin Barrett

No, it's "d-". My region is the US, my font is TNR, my IME is English, etc.
To try and replicate, I recommend checking the long vowels option.

In any case, I think it's clear that this is part of the language bug that
Microsoft has ignored for so many years. I personally have spent hours and
hours reporting and dealing with this and other problems related to the
language bug. (Just two days ago, Adobe downloaded in Japanese even though
all my regional settings and XP system is English.) Like everyone else, I'm
sure, I take time off from work to report these problems. But since Microsoft
doesn't pay me and they won't fix the bug, I think I need to stop wasting my
and everyone else's time and just get back to work.

I really do appreciate all of the kind responses, but it's a big
disappointment.

I have a long series of workarounds I used to combat the language bug.
Perhaps one day Microsoft will decide to address this syndrome.
 
S

Suzanne S. Barnhill

I think the problem we're having is that Word by default (with English IME)
doesn't have any "long vowels option" (AFAIK). Where are you finding this
option?
 
B

Benjamin Barrett

That was in a different post of mine :)

It's probably because Japanese is enabled in my system as I use Japanese
frequently. BB
 
B

Bob Buckland ?:-\)

Hi Benjamin,

Reporting a bug to Microsoft is much easier with steps to reproduce it :)

As I mentioned the Long Vowel option is on with Japanese enabled in Word 2007.

The only variable regarding Word that had been so far noted that isn't common with the others of us who are trying to duplicate this
is the Trados (or another add-in) that you're using, so being able to eliminate that from the equation is important.

From your last reply it appears that we can rule out the Microsoft IME as the text in your document (as shown on the status bar at
the bottom of the Word window, and a check of the Style definition for the d- text) is listed as English rather than Japanese?.

Does the issue occur if you start Word in safe mode (holding the ctrl key)?
If I have the Research pane on, using the Translate, coice from
Review=>Translate
the English to Japanese translation is listing the d hyphen as d long dash.
If in the Research Pane=>Translation you look at 'Translation options' does it show Trados or World Lingo as the translation
service?

Do you have a blog/free online storage space/website, etc where you can put a copy of your document that we could look at?
Microsoft (among others, offers free sites and separately, from http://officelabs.com the 'community clips' recorder that you can
use to show the settings and the steps.

The Adobe download is interesting, which may also indicate a factor outside of Word. I've seen that before where the download was
being based on either (a) the last/active language or (b) If IP address is a non-U.S. one and the updates are using that as a
criteria. (I'm assuming the base language version of Windows and Office are English. :)

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No, it's "d-". My region is the US, my font is TNR, my IME is English, etc.
To try and replicate, I recommend checking the long vowels option.

In any case, I think it's clear that this is part of the language bug that
Microsoft has ignored for so many years. I personally have spent hours and
hours reporting and dealing with this and other problems related to the
language bug. (Just two days ago, Adobe downloaded in Japanese even though
all my regional settings and XP system is English.) Like everyone else, I'm
sure, I take time off from work to report these problems. But since Microsoft
doesn't pay me and they won't fix the bug, I think I need to stop wasting my
and everyone else's time and just get back to work.

I really do appreciate all of the kind responses, but it's a big
disappointment.

I have a long series of workarounds I used to combat the language bug.
Perhaps one day Microsoft will decide to address this syndrome. >>
--

Bob Buckland ?:)
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*
 
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Benjamin Barrett

I think the other variable is the long vowel option. I recently turned that
off, and the error has not yet occurred.

Although Word does sometimes spontaneously decide my English text is
Japanese, I'm 99% sure that's not the case here because this error has
happened many times and the language mis-identification is not very common.

As I mentioned, nobody else on the Trados list has piped up, so I doubt that
it's a Trados issue.

The translation option is World Lingo, and I see a great number of items are
checked. I'm not sure what you mean about d dash, but I think you're
mentioning the very bottom of the E>J translation options that pop up when
you type d-. I do indeed see a d+dash, though my error is d- goes to dash,
not d dash.

For now, I'm typing with and without Trados with the long vowels option
unchecked. If the error occurs again, I'll make a report and make the
document public if confidentiality allows me. If the error doesn't occur for
a while, I'll try rechecking the long vowels option.

The Adobe thing is not just with Adobe, it's with a wide range of software,
downloads, etc. My guess is it's the "languages for non-unicode programs" in
Windows, but again, Microsoft has been aware of this for years, so I don't
think it's worth pursuing.
 
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Benjamin Barrett

From the Trados list, here's a comment about the language bug in Word:

"So do I, but this is immaterial because once a document is infested with
the Asian font/locale
information it remains no matter what you do."

This is from a discussion about Swedish being garbled into Chinese.

In my experience, the language problem is worse in Word 2008 than 2007, but
in my case, I *want* Japanese, but not when I'm typing English.
 

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