Display problem

[Rob Giordano \(Crash\)]

i do the same thing...if i dont i lose my place!


| Sorry Rob I guess I should read all the unread post before posting...
|
| Bob
| || Do you mean how do you open another's webpage with FP?:
||
|| If you are using IE to surf, browse to a site you want to open, then on
| your
|| top tool bar you should see a button Edit With Frontpage (something like
|| that)...push it. If you get prompts for un/pw just push Cancel. The page
| you
|| are browsing should open in FP... (most of it will anyway).
||
||
|| ||| Thanks for the encouragement. I do have a lot to learn, hopefully I'm
up
|| to
||| the task.
||| I don't understand tables but I'll look into it..
||| How do I see a webpage in FP? I can choose "view source" but only see
|| lots
||| of code I don't understand and it's in notepad. How do I get to FP?
||| Thanks,
||| Don...........
|||
||| ||| > Don,
||| >
||| > We all started from ground 0 and as time goes by you will learn what
|| works
||| > the best...
||| >
||| > Using tables for your layout is a good place to start. One way to
| "See"
||| > what others are doing is to find a site you like (or want yours to
look
||| > like) then use the FrontPage edit button in your browser to bring that
||| page
||| > into FrontPage! There you can see the code and how they did the
||| layout.....
||| >
||| > bob
||| > ||| > | Thanks for your reply. I hope you will bear with me as I try to
||| > understand
||| > | what you're telling me. I will answer your questions in order. I'm
||| sure
||| > I
||| > | have other questions as well if you don't mind.
||| > |
||| > | Where have I gone wrong in designing it and what are the limitations
||| > because
||| > | of it? What would you suggest I do?
||| > |
||| > | Yes the button is visible but it wasn't earlier today. Because of
|| your
||| > | suggestions it is now displayed.
||| > | As for why I designed the page this way it just happened like that.
| I
||| > | designed the page in Photodraw and it came out this way. I know
it's
||| not
||| > | centered but because of the hassles of moving everything in
Photodraw
||| > again
||| > | I just left it that way. I put the green background in because the
|| jpg
||| of
||| > | the page was not completely filling the webpage and the background
||| seemed
||| > to
||| > | get it all covered.
||| > |
||| > | I always wanted to design the logo and buttons and then go to FP
|| create
||| a
||| > | green background and just paste the logo and buttons on the page as
I
||| > deemed
||| > | fit but I was never able to do that. So I created the whole page in
||| > | Photodraw, saved it as a jpg. I then inserted the jpg through FP,
|| made
||| > the
||| > | buttons "hotspots" and everything seemed to work.
||| > |
||| > | I'm not sure about your last two paragraphs or how to do what you
||| suggest.
||| > | Can you help me to understand this better?
||| > |
||| > | I'd really like to do this the right way but I guess, based on your
||| reply,
||| > | I'm way off base.
||| > | I suppose I'll be asking lots more questions until I get this built
|| the
||| > | right way.
||| > | Thanks again,
||| > | Don.........
||| > | ||| > | > On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 09:17:47 GMT, "Don" <[email protected]>
|| wrote:
||| > | >
||| > | > > I have a problem with displaying a button on my webpage. I'm
||| using
||| > | > >FP2000. My home page (index.html) won't display a new button
I've
||| > added
||| > | to
||| > | > >it. Here's what I have and what I've done.
||| > | > >I've created my home page using Photodraw 2000. I have a logo on
|| the
||| > | page
||| > | > >and several buttons to navigate thru the website. The way I've
|| done
||| > this
||| > | is
||| > | > >to create the buttons in Photodraw as well as the logo and the
||| > background
||| > | of
||| > | > >the page. I then save it as a jpg. I go to FP and "insert a
||| picture
||| > | from
||| > | > >a file" and choose the page I made. I then create "hotspots" for
|| all
||| > the
||| > | > >buttons. All of this works very well.
||| > | >
||| > | > Well, it works, but it has limitations because of the way you have
||| > | > done it.
||| > | >
||| > | > > My problem is with a new button I've added yesterday to this
||| page.
||| > | It
||| > | > >won't display on the website. While I'm in FP the button is
|| visible.
||| > | When
||| > | > >I select the preview tab in FP the button displays and works as
it
||| > | should.
||| > | > >I've checked it with the "Preview in Browser" option in FP and
| that
||| > works
||| > | as
||| > | > >it should also. The next step then is to select the "Publish
Web"
||| > | option.
||| > | > >I do this and everything uploads to my website. Here's the
|| problem.
||| > | When I
||| > | > >view the actual website the new button is not displayed.
However,
|| if
||| > you
||| > | > >move your mouse to where it should be the mouse turns into a
|| pointing
||| > | > >finger, indicating that something is there. When you click on
| that
||| > area
||| > | it
||| > | > >takes you to the page it's supposed to.
||| > | > > The button is not visible. I've created this button with the
||| same
||| > | > >process I created the others. As a matter of fact I have a
|| Photodraw
||| > | file
||| > | > >that has all the buttons in it for my website.
||| > | > > In case I haven't explained it very well here's the URL for
| the
||| > site.
||| > | > >You can look at it yourself and tell me what you think. Move
your
||| > mouse
||| > | > >above the "email" button and it should react as I've described
|| above.
||| > | > >Thanks for your help,
||| > | > >Don...........
||| > | > >www.gourdgeouscreations.com
||| > | >
||| > | > Would the button be for the link to Guest Book? That is visible
and
||| > | > the link works.
||| > | >
||| > | > At a guess, you can't see the latest version because you are
| viewing
|| a
||| > | > cached version of the page. You need to refresh the page in your
||| > | > browser. View the page then press the F5 key.
||| > | >
||| > | > However, the entire page is a single 780 x 440px image (called
||| > | > LogoA.jpg) with areas defined as links. The layout of the logo and
|| the
||| > | > buttons is curious, to say the least, but I assume you had your
||| > | > reasons for designing it that way.
||| > | >
||| > | > I would have expected the page's green background to be defined in
|| the
||| > | > <body> tag or a stylesheet as a colour ("#006600"). You don't need
| a
||| > | > green image for the background. This would avoid the white edge
you
||| > | > see when viewing the page on a large area screen.
||| > | >
||| > | > Then I'd expect the logo itself to be a single image and, most
||| > | > importantly, for the buttons to be eight individual image files
||| > | > arranged beside or below the logo, leaving space for some
|| descriptive
||| > | > text on the page.
||| > | >
||| > | > By laying out the logo and buttons and then saving the layout as a
|| JPG
||| > | > you are not able to take advantage of the flexibility of HTML. Use
||| > | > tables to make sure that the buttons go where you want them to go,
|| and
||| > | > stay there.
||| > | >
||| > | > fido
||| > |
||| > |
||| >
||| >
|||
|||
||
||
|
|

 

[Don]

I'm still here and I'm going to try to work on the table and create what
you've suggested. I'll let you know sometime tomorrow how I've made out.
Thanks again for all your help.
Don...........

 

[Don]

Another question. Can I send you the new page I'm working on just like I
would send you any other type of file? I think I've got what you were
asking, although I think the logo might be bigger than you looked at
earlier. I've viewed it in the browser and the page looks pretty good. Not
sure if it's constructed properly.
Don............

 

[fido]

Another question. Can I send you the new page I'm working on just like I
would send you any other type of file?

You can upload it to your server just like any other page (or
"publish" it or whatever the fancy name for the process is).
Eventually it is going to be called index.htm, or default.htm or
whatever is required by the server. Call it what you like for now,
until it is ready to go.

I think I've got what you were
asking, although I think the logo might be bigger than you looked at
earlier. I've viewed it in the browser and the page looks pretty good. Not
sure if it's constructed properly.

If it looks OK in a browser, you're on the right track. Put the page
online and tell us the URL.

To arrive at my estimates of the sizes of the logo and buttons all I
did was save the image and chop it up into pieces. I cropped fairly
close to the shadowy edges of the logo.

If you have made the logo bigger, the only thing to beware of is that
if your right-hand table cell is 603 pixels wide, the absolute maximum
width of the logo is 593px (to allow for the 5px cell padding).

It will probably look better if the logo is comfortably less than
603px.

Note that if you did make the logo bigger than the width available for
it, the table would stretch to accommodate it, but taking liberties
with table widths is a bad habit. You'd only be storing up troubles
for yourself later.

fido

 

[Don]

Okay I know how to publish I'm just not sure how to direct you to the
page it's on. I think what I'll do is create a link on the already existing
home page, Look for the word "Test". Click on it and it will take you to
this new page I've designed. It's below the "email" button. It's a
hyperlink. I don't suppose there are too many people who will visit the
site so it shouldn't be a problem for a day or so. I'll take the link down
after you've looked at it.
I do like the design of the new page better than the existing one, even
though they have the same basic look and objects.
Do you have any suggestions for the other pages? I'm going to do the same
thing to the "Gourds" page as I've done to this one, new logo, buttons, etc.
Let me ask you about my "Let's Be Friends" path. The first page is just
a jpg that I created in Photodraw. It's a collage of photos from a concept
I had about an album cover from years ago (I'm a musician of sorts. Do
you think the "Primary Musicians" page (LBFpg2) is okay? How about the page
where the music files are on (LBFPg3)?
Thanks again and look for the word "test".
Don........

 

[fido]

I do like the design of the new page better than the existing one, even
though they have the same basic look and objects.

Yes, it's coming along fine! Although my original suggestion was to
make a centred outer table with a two-cell table nested inside it,
your solution will be OK if you're not intending to have any more
content on this page.

Some minor suggestions at this point:

1. As your buttons are indeed larger than the ones I cut from your
original image, you need to make the right-hand nav-bar cell wider. As
you can see, it has stretched itself to accommodate the larger
buttons, but as your buttons are 204px wide, you should either make
the cell 214px wide, or crop the buttons tighter, OR BOTH. Whatever
you do, make the cell width equal to the button width plus 10px for
the padding.

2. Leave the cell padding at 5px but you can set the cell spacing to
zero.

3. You can also crop the surplus green from around the logo. At the
moment, the contents of the table are stretching it to slightly more
than the specified width of 720. (732, I think, because you haven't
included the padding and the spacing in your calculations.)

4. You don't need to specify a height in this case. You might want to
add more text at some stage, and it will simply stretch the height if
it needs more room. The bottom edge of the table is invisible anyway
so it won't show if the content doesn't fill the height you specified.

Do you have any suggestions for the other pages? I'm going to do the same
thing to the "Gourds" page as I've done to this one, new logo, buttons, etc.

That's good. If you get the front page right in all respects you can
use it as a template for subsequent pages.

I haven't explored the other pages at this stage.

fido

 

[Don]

I don't think I'll be adding anymore to this page. I will probably upload
the newer version sometime today.

A couple of questions.
I've been trying to cut the size of the page itself but so far I haven't
been able to. The logo and buttons only take a little bit of room but I'm
left with a larger amount of green space below the logo and buttons. The
scroll bar on the right is visible but unless I put more on the page I don't
think I need the rest. How do I make the page so the scroll bar is gone?

Question 2:
I have some music files on the last (?) page. If you follow the links from
Favorite Sites to Let's Be Friends the last page has the song titles that
I've posted. When you hover your mouse over the song title a picture swap
should occur. It should show the credits of who played on that particular
song. While hovering you should also be able to click on the credits and
the song should play. On my computer at home this all works well, and for
most people I believe. However there area some people who, while hovering,
can't see the credits, can't play the song, or both. Is there something I
can do to make that happen all the time for everyone?
Thanks again,
Don.........

 

[Rob Giordano \(Crash\)]

remove the empty paragraphs after your table.



|I don't think I'll be adding anymore to this page. I will probably upload
| the newer version sometime today.
|
| A couple of questions.
| I've been trying to cut the size of the page itself but so far I haven't
| been able to. The logo and buttons only take a little bit of room but I'm
| left with a larger amount of green space below the logo and buttons. The
| scroll bar on the right is visible but unless I put more on the page I
don't
| think I need the rest. How do I make the page so the scroll bar is gone?
|
| Question 2:
| I have some music files on the last (?) page. If you follow the links
from
| Favorite Sites to Let's Be Friends the last page has the song titles that
| I've posted. When you hover your mouse over the song title a picture swap
| should occur. It should show the credits of who played on that particular
| song. While hovering you should also be able to click on the credits and
| the song should play. On my computer at home this all works well, and for
| most people I believe. However there area some people who, while
hovering,
| can't see the credits, can't play the song, or both. Is there something I
| can do to make that happen all the time for everyone?
| Thanks again,
| Don.........
|
| | >
| > > I do like the design of the new page better than the existing one,
| even
| > >though they have the same basic look and objects.
| >
| > Yes, it's coming along fine! Although my original suggestion was to
| > make a centred outer table with a two-cell table nested inside it,
| > your solution will be OK if you're not intending to have any more
| > content on this page.
| >
| > Some minor suggestions at this point:
| >
| > 1. As your buttons are indeed larger than the ones I cut from your
| > original image, you need to make the right-hand nav-bar cell wider. As
| > you can see, it has stretched itself to accommodate the larger
| > buttons, but as your buttons are 204px wide, you should either make
| > the cell 214px wide, or crop the buttons tighter, OR BOTH. Whatever
| > you do, make the cell width equal to the button width plus 10px for
| > the padding.
| >
| > 2. Leave the cell padding at 5px but you can set the cell spacing to
| > zero.
| >
| > 3. You can also crop the surplus green from around the logo. At the
| > moment, the contents of the table are stretching it to slightly more
| > than the specified width of 720. (732, I think, because you haven't
| > included the padding and the spacing in your calculations.)
| >
| > 4. You don't need to specify a height in this case. You might want to
| > add more text at some stage, and it will simply stretch the height if
| > it needs more room. The bottom edge of the table is invisible anyway
| > so it won't show if the content doesn't fill the height you specified.
| >
| > >Do you have any suggestions for the other pages? I'm going to do the
| same
| > >thing to the "Gourds" page as I've done to this one, new logo, buttons,
| etc.
| >
| > That's good. If you get the front page right in all respects you can
| > use it as a template for subsequent pages.
| >
| > I haven't explored the other pages at this stage.
| >
| > fido
|
|

 

[Don]

Thanks,
I feel dumb, I should have been able to figure that one out.
But, here's another thing that has me puzzled. Some of my hyperlinks aren't
blue, some are, but some are not. I've been trying different things but so
far haven't been able to discover what causes that. Can you help?
Thanks again,
Don............

 

[Don]

I think I figured it out. I feel better.
Thanks again,
Don............

 

[Rob Giordano \(Crash\)]

|I think I figured it out. I feel better.
| Thanks again,
| Don............
| | > Thanks,
| > I feel dumb, I should have been able to figure that one out.
| > But, here's another thing that has me puzzled. Some of my hyperlinks
| aren't
| > blue, some are, but some are not. I've been trying different things but
| so
| > far haven't been able to discover what causes that. Can you help?
| > Thanks again,
| > Don............
message
| > | > > remove the empty paragraphs after your table.
| > >
| > >
| > >
| > > | > > |I don't think I'll be adding anymore to this page. I will probably
| > upload
| > > | the newer version sometime today.
| > > |
| > > | A couple of questions.
| > > | I've been trying to cut the size of the page itself but so far I
| haven't
| > > | been able to. The logo and buttons only take a little bit of room
but
| > I'm
| > > | left with a larger amount of green space below the logo and buttons.
| > The
| > > | scroll bar on the right is visible but unless I put more on the page
I
| > > don't
| > > | think I need the rest. How do I make the page so the scroll bar is
| > gone?
| > > |
| > > | Question 2:
| > > | I have some music files on the last (?) page. If you follow the
links
| > > from
| > > | Favorite Sites to Let's Be Friends the last page has the song titles
| > that
| > > | I've posted. When you hover your mouse over the song title a
picture
| > swap
| > > | should occur. It should show the credits of who played on that
| > particular
| > > | song. While hovering you should also be able to click on the
credits
| > and
| > > | the song should play. On my computer at home this all works well,
and
| > for
| > > | most people I believe. However there area some people who, while
| > > hovering,
| > > | can't see the credits, can't play the song, or both. Is there
| something
| > I
| > > | can do to make that happen all the time for everyone?
| > > | Thanks again,
| > > | Don.........
| > > |
| > > | | > > | > On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 09:52:23 GMT, "Don" <[email protected]>
| wrote:
| > > | >
| > > | > > I do like the design of the new page better than the existing
| > one,
| > > | even
| > > | > >though they have the same basic look and objects.
| > > | >
| > > | > Yes, it's coming along fine! Although my original suggestion was
to
| > > | > make a centred outer table with a two-cell table nested inside it,
| > > | > your solution will be OK if you're not intending to have any more
| > > | > content on this page.
| > > | >
| > > | > Some minor suggestions at this point:
| > > | >
| > > | > 1. As your buttons are indeed larger than the ones I cut from
your
| > > | > original image, you need to make the right-hand nav-bar cell
wider.
| As
| > > | > you can see, it has stretched itself to accommodate the larger
| > > | > buttons, but as your buttons are 204px wide, you should either
make
| > > | > the cell 214px wide, or crop the buttons tighter, OR BOTH.
Whatever
| > > | > you do, make the cell width equal to the button width plus 10px
for
| > > | > the padding.
| > > | >
| > > | > 2. Leave the cell padding at 5px but you can set the cell spacing
to
| > > | > zero.
| > > | >
| > > | > 3. You can also crop the surplus green from around the logo. At
the
| > > | > moment, the contents of the table are stretching it to slightly
more
| > > | > than the specified width of 720. (732, I think, because you
haven't
| > > | > included the padding and the spacing in your calculations.)
| > > | >
| > > | > 4. You don't need to specify a height in this case. You might want
| to
| > > | > add more text at some stage, and it will simply stretch the height
| if
| > > | > it needs more room. The bottom edge of the table is invisible
anyway
| > > | > so it won't show if the content doesn't fill the height you
| specified.
| > > | >
| > > | > >Do you have any suggestions for the other pages? I'm going to do
| the
| > > | same
| > > | > >thing to the "Gourds" page as I've done to this one, new logo,
| > buttons,
| > > | etc.
| > > | >
| > > | > That's good. If you get the front page right in all respects you
can
| > > | > use it as a template for subsequent pages.
| > > | >
| > > | > I haven't explored the other pages at this stage.
| > > | >
| > > | > fido
| > > |
| > > |
| > >
| > >
| >
| >
|
|
|