Say; Goodnight Gracie
Goodnight Gracie
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Rob Giordano
Microsoft MVP Expression
| Well, well, well, you know the show well enouth to remember that the last
| thing said on most shows, was "Good night John Boy." You either watched
the
| show in the 70s or you like old shows?
|
| I am 66, so if you watched it, then you have to be at least 55. Probably
a
| lousy guess, and it doesn't matter how you are anyway.
|
| Just keep up the great work helping we floundering web creators.
|
| Best, Thomboy
|
| PS Will be back at the watering hole on April 8th.
|
| "DavidF" wrote:
|
| > That was nice of you to say...thanks for the feedback.
| >
| > I live in the Pacific NW...good night Thomboy.
| >
| > DavidF
| >
| > | > > David, I used to be a business professor at a University in the
Seattle
| > > area,
| > > and I am a pretty good judge of people, and from the brief
conversations
| > > and
| > > the help you have given me, I sense a person of sound character, with
a
| > > heart
| > > capable and willing to help others--a much sought after quality.
| > >
| > > I will be helping a friend cater a wedding for 800 people at some camp
in
| > > Opelousas, LA (like Camp David--ha-ha), and when I return, I will look
| > > forward to coming back to improve my website for our home owner's
| > > association.
| > >
| > > Where do you call home? Who knows, we may meet someday??
| > >
| > > Best, Thomboy
| > >
| > > P.S. The name Thomboy comes from an old TV show, called the Walton's,
| > > where
| > > the key actor used the name John Boy.
| > >
| > > "DavidF" wrote:
| > >
| > >> Reference: Prepare, publish, and maintain your Publisher Web site:
| > >>
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/publisher/HA100947601033.aspx
| > >> It is written for Pub 2007, but if you are using IE7 instead of IE6,
then
| > >> the directions for using Vista also would apply to Pub 2003. FTP and
HTTP
| > >> uploading has changed with the introduction of IE7 and Vista.
| > >>
| > >> The directions for uploading have become a bit muddy, but this is the
| > >> best
| > >> MSFT has to offer. That is part of the reason I suggest using a third
| > >> party
| > >> ftp client if you aren't using a Publisher built form in the site.
| > >>
| > >> Have a good trip...
| > >>
| > >> DavidF
| > >>
| > >> | > >> > Thanks, David, and maybe this is why the Publisher 101 directions
| > >> > discuss
| > >> > publishing your .pub folder to your computer which is like
publishing
| > >> > to
| > >> > the
| > >> > web. I need to go back and review that document, and like you
suggest,
| > >> > creating a folder on my hard drive will help.
| > >> >
| > >> > A friend was here several nights ago, and I think he was doing this
| > >> > somehow,
| > >> > because the index_files kept changing, and then we did a drag and
drop
| > >> > to
| > >> > his
| > >> > FS FTP client and up they went to the website.
| > >> >
| > >> > I am just rusty using FTP Client software, and for that matter,
| > >> > Publisher.
| > >> >
| > >> > I am leaving Monday for New Orleans, but when I get back on April
10th,
| > >> > I
| > >> > will try some of your ideas, and will reread the Publisher site for
| > >> > directions as to how to publish to my computer.
| > >> >
| > >> > Many thanks for the feedback, as I need it.
| > >> >
| > >> > Thomboy
| > >> >
| > >> > "DavidF" wrote:
| > >> >
| > >> >> You have to "Publish to the Web" to produce new html...a new
index.htm
| > >> >> file
| > >> >> and the index_files folder. Saving the Pub file only saves the Pub
| > >> >> file...it
| > >> >> has nothing to do with publishing the new code. FWIW I usually
create
| > >> >> a
| > >> >> folder on my hard drive where I can direct the output on a
consistent
| > >> >> basis.
| > >> >> Then when I produce new, it overwrites the old each time, just
like it
| > >> >> does
| > >> >> when you upload to the web...and I know where to look when it is
time
| > >> >> to
| > >> >> FTP
| > >> >> it up.
| > >> >>
| > >> >> DavidF
| > >> >>
| > >> >> | > >> >> > Hi David, thanks for the detailed help regarding how to make
those
| > >> >> > nudge
| > >> >> > changes. I do have Mozilla loaded on my PC, so I will use it a
my
| > >> >> > browser
| > >> >> > to
| > >> >> > see if the changes you suggest make it better for IE viewers.
| > >> >> >
| > >> >> > Maybe you are getting tired of my questions, but I have another
one.
| > >> >> >
| > >> >> > When I began using FileZilla, I was able to connect with my host
| > >> >> > site,
| > >> >> > but
| > >> >> > for some reason, after I made new changes to my Publisher site
used
| > >> >> > for
| > >> >> > the
| > >> >> > website you saw, and viewed MY COMPUTER, the index_files folder,
| > >> >> > contained
| > >> >> > below the folder in which the .pub document is stored, did not
| > >> >> > update
| > >> >> > when
| > >> >> > I
| > >> >> > saved the changes to the .pub file.
| > >> >> >
| > >> >> > I had planned to drag and drop the updated index_files folder
into
| > >> >> > the
| > >> >> > left
| > >> >> > side of the FTP client, along with the index.htm, but if they
don't
| > >> >> > update
| > >> >> > when I save the Publisher .pub file, then I am perplexed.
| > >> >> >
| > >> >> > Any advice?
| > >> >> >
| > >> >> > Many thanks for all your continuing help; it is much
appreciated.
| > >> >> >
| > >> >> > Thomboy
| > >> >> >
| > >> >> >
| > >> >> > "DavidF" wrote:
| > >> >> >
| > >> >> >> Thomboy,
| > >> >> >>
| > >> >> >> Actually I probably just confused you by talking about the
nudge
| > >> >> >> feature.
| > >> >> >> I
| > >> >> >> was looking at your goal 6, and how the text is cropped,
suggesting
| > >> >> >> that
| > >> >> >> the
| > >> >> >> text box was too small. Assuming that the line below this is up
| > >> >> >> against
| > >> >> >> the
| > >> >> >> text box, I would then select the line below it, and "nudge" it
| > >> >> >> down a
| > >> >> >> couple ticks in order to make a little room to lengthen the
text
| > >> >> >> box
| > >> >> >> above.
| > >> >> >> And then assuming that you have the "snap" to option enabled
| > >> >> >> (Arrange
| > >> >> >> >
| > >> >> >> Snap
| > >> >> >> and check all the options) I would drag the bottom of the text
box
| > >> >> >> down
| > >> >> >> until it "snapped to" the line. Pub 2007 allows you to use the
| > >> >> >> arrow
| > >> >> >> keys
| > >> >> >> to
| > >> >> >> nudge a design element, but it does not lengthen the text box.
It
| > >> >> >> is
| > >> >> >> just
| > >> >> >> a
| > >> >> >> way of fine tuning your layout along with the snap to feature.
| > >> >> >>
| > >> >> >> In this case, as I look at your page again, you could still
just
| > >> >> >> lengthen
| > >> >> >> the text box a tad, but also the problem might be because of
the
| > >> >> >> formatting,
| > >> >> >> and in particular the numbering. I have found that bulleted
lists
| > >> >> >> and
| > >> >> >> numbered lists when converted to html can give unpredictable
| > >> >> >> results.
| > >> >> >> Remember that you are using a DTP, and that not all print
| > >> >> >> formatting
| > >> >> >> techniques can be translated to web format. So in this
particular
| > >> >> >> case,
| > >> >> >> you
| > >> >> >> might be able to just lengthen the text box to compensate, or
you
| > >> >> >> may
| > >> >> >> need
| > >> >> >> to change the formatting. You might also try using Shift +
Enter at
| > >> >> >> the
| > >> >> >> end
| > >> >> >> of each numbered item instead of Enter. This can sometimes help
the
| > >> >> >> spacing
| > >> >> >> in a bulleted list. Go to View > Special Characters to see the
| > >> >> >> difference
| > >> >> >> in
| > >> >> >> the hard return.
| > >> >> >>
| > >> >> >> And all this is a long winded way of saying that absolutely you
| > >> >> >> need
| > >> >> >> to
| > >> >> >> use
| > >> >> >> web preview. That will tell you what the page is going to look
like
| > >> >> >> when
| > >> >> >> you
| > >> >> >> do publish it. Then you can move things around, lengthen text
boxes
| > >> >> >> etc
| > >> >> >> before you publish.
| > >> >> >>
| > >> >> >> I think you just install the Client version of
Filezilla...don't
| > >> >> >> worry
| > >> >> >> about
| > >> >> >> the other stuff. Publisher uploading was not that bad before
MSFT
| > >> >> >> changed
| > >> >> >> IE
| > >> >> >> and Vista. You can no longer FTP through IE as of IE7, and HTTP
| > >> >> >> uploading
| > >> >> >> is
| > >> >> >> also totally different. Unless you are using a form, then using
a
| > >> >> >> third
| > >> >> >> party ftp client is going to be easier and faster.
| > >> >> >>
| > >> >> >> If you have Dreamweaver, that is by far a better program for
web
| > >> >> >> building,
| > >> >> >> but as you suggest, if you have a simple static site, Publisher
is
| > >> >> >> fine.
| > >> >> >>
| > >> >> >> As per FireFox...download and install a copy to test your site.
It
| > >> >> >> is
| > >> >> >> a
| > >> >> >> small download, and chances are you may end up liking it better
| > >> >> >> than
| > >> >> >> IE.
| > >> >> >>
| > >> >> >> DavidF
| > >> >> >>
| > >> >> >>
| > >> >> >> | > >> >> >> > Hey, David, many, many thanks for looking at the Website. I
| > >> >> >> > think
| > >> >> >> > you
| > >> >> >> > are
| > >> >> >> > right on wth your assessment, and that is actually good to
hear.
| > >> >> >> > I
| > >> >> >> > have
| > >> >> >> > not
| > >> >> >> > yet used the "nudge" feature.
| > >> >> >> >
| > >> >> >> > Does the nudge feature know how much the nudge needs to be to
| > >> >> >> > eliminate
| > >> >> >> > overlap issues, or do I keep looking at the website, or
better,
| > >> >> >> > should
| > >> >> >> > I
| > >> >> >> > use
| > >> >> >> > the website preview tool? BTW, I am starting to hear that
the
| > >> >> >> > viewers
| > >> >> >> > who
| > >> >> >> > saw the overlaps were using either Netscape or Mozilla as
their
| > >> >> >> > browser,
| > >> >> >> > and
| > >> >> >> > that will make a HUGE difference.
| > >> >> >> >
| > >> >> >> > I guess when I downloaded all the "information" for
FileZilla, I
| > >> >> >> > didn't
| > >> >> >> > know
| > >> >> >> > which sets I actually needed. Please look at the list I left
| > >> >> >> > with
| > >> >> >> > my
| > >> >> >> > reply
| > >> >> >> > for Rob; probably only one or two of them is needed for the
FTP
| > >> >> >> > Client.
| > >> >> >> > I
| > >> >> >> > didn't see at the FileZilla site any directions for which set
of
| > >> >> >> > instructions
| > >> >> >> > would be needed for the client versus the server FTP
software.
| > >> >> >> >
| > >> >> >> > I was almost ready to go back to using Dreamweaver for my
website
| > >> >> >> > software,
| > >> >> >> > but like all learning curves, because it was steeper, not
that
| > >> >> >> > Publisher
| > >> >> >> > is
| > >> >> >> > bad software, but because I can't forget my old, and outdated
| > >> >> >> > habits.
| > >> >> >> >
| > >> >> >> > Like I said, thanks for coming back to review my comments.
| > >> >> >> >
| > >> >> >> > Using the Publisher process to upload the index.ftm and
| > >> >> >> > index_files
| > >> >> >> > leaves
| > >> >> >> > a
| > >> >> >> > lot to be desired. I know that once I get the correct copy
of
| > >> >> >> > FileZilla,
| > >> >> >> > and
| > >> >> >> > begin to use it, I will be less frustrated with this small,
and
| > >> >> >> > static
| > >> >> >> > website. Only two pages will ever change.
| > >> >> >> >
| > >> >> >> > Thanks, and I will most likely be back at the watering hole
again
| > >> >> >> > when
| > >> >> >> > I
| > >> >> >> > hit
| > >> >> >> > another snag.
| > >> >> >> >
