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Conrad Pfleging
Thanks for your input Steve
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Cezary Taraszkiewicz
Right, I will chop off my head next time I have an headache. That solves my
problem.
I agree with you. "Switch to plain text", "HTML email is useless" "fancy
things" and so on. I wonder why there was nobody to tell you not to use Outlook
or maybe... a computer? This thing is so insecure... Why use "fancy" graphical
operating systems, "fancy" rich text editors, "fancy" browsers (plain text
viewer would do) and "fancy" email readers (Pine is better)? We can tell and
understand more with colors, attributes and images, that's why. It is for our
comfort.
Where we would be now as humans if we did not start using for instance "fancy"
bronze axes some time ago? Stone axe is also an axe, right? And stone is a
stone anyway...
I'm sorry if someone didn't like my point. Have a nice day, Cezary.
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Jeff Cochran
If you *must* have HTML messages, and you don't want to have embedded
links to outside sources, then you *must* work offline.
However, what if you are emailed a message with a link to a photo on
your grandmother's new web site? You can't have it all, and there's
likely no way you're going to reprogram a mail client to download
"only the stuff I want and not the stuff I don't". If you manage to,
I guarantee the stuff you want isn';t the same as the stuff I want.
Jeff
links to outside sources, then you *must* work offline.
However, what if you are emailed a message with a link to a photo on
your grandmother's new web site? You can't have it all, and there's
likely no way you're going to reprogram a mail client to download
"only the stuff I want and not the stuff I don't". If you manage to,
I guarantee the stuff you want isn';t the same as the stuff I want.
Jeff
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whoever
(e-mail address removed) (Jeff Cochran) wrote in
If you use OE. There's absolutely no reason that a mail client can't
provide HTML layout without supporting embedding of external objects.
And the whole point of the thread is to ask why OE and Outlook don't work
this way.
I'm reading this message in a text only news client. It doesn't do HTML, or
any graohical "stuff". But I can click on any URL I want, and my browser of
choice will open that URL in a new browser window (which, I think most
people agree, is exactly where we pages belong).
Of course there is - it's just more trouble than most people want to. You
can configure many "personal firewall" apps to block a particular app from
accessing port 80. This doesn't prevent it accessing POP and SMTP, but does
prevent "web bugs" being triggered.
I don't particularly care what you want.
If you *must* have HTML messages, and you don't want to have embedded
links to outside sources, then you *must* work offline.
If you use OE. There's absolutely no reason that a mail client can't
provide HTML layout without supporting embedding of external objects.
And the whole point of the thread is to ask why OE and Outlook don't work
this way.
However, what if you are emailed a message with a link to a photo on
your grandmother's new web site?
I'm reading this message in a text only news client. It doesn't do HTML, or
any graohical "stuff". But I can click on any URL I want, and my browser of
choice will open that URL in a new browser window (which, I think most
people agree, is exactly where we pages belong).
You can't have it all, and there's
likely no way you're going to reprogram a mail client to download
"only the stuff I want and not the stuff I don't".
Of course there is - it's just more trouble than most people want to. You
can configure many "personal firewall" apps to block a particular app from
accessing port 80. This doesn't prevent it accessing POP and SMTP, but does
prevent "web bugs" being triggered.
If you manage to,
I guarantee the stuff you want isn';t the same as the stuff I want.
I don't particularly care what you want.
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MichaelJennings
POPFile is a filter available at http://popfile.sourceforge.net/
See http://www.tames.net/popfile.htm for training instructions.
It is very close to 100% after it has been trained. The potential
drawback seems to be fascination with spam - like postings at:
http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=232988
While there would be no bar on willfully opening webbug email,
the client would be modified to normally view only embedded
resources and to sort out all email with linked resources.
See http://www.tames.net/popfile.htm for training instructions.
It is very close to 100% after it has been trained. The potential
drawback seems to be fascination with spam - like postings at:
http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=232988
While there would be no bar on willfully opening webbug email,
the client would be modified to normally view only embedded
resources and to sort out all email with linked resources.
S
Sandi - Microsoft MVP
<sigh>
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Jeff Cochran
(e-mail address removed) (Jeff Cochran) wrote in
If you use OE. There's absolutely no reason that a mail client can't
provide HTML layout without supporting embedding of external objects.
And the whole point of the thread is to ask why OE and Outlook don't work
this way.
Get the latest version. It does.
I'm reading this message in a text only news client. It doesn't do HTML, or
any graohical "stuff". But I can click on any URL I want, and my browser of
choice will open that URL in a new browser window (which, I think most
people agree, is exactly where we pages belong).
Sure. Now convince your cousin who just discovered she can send
photos of the baby, the dog, the wart on Uncle Walt's nose...
Of course there is - it's just more trouble than most people want to. You
can configure many "personal firewall" apps to block a particular app from
accessing port 80. This doesn't prevent it accessing POP and SMTP, but does
prevent "web bugs" being triggered.
Then do it.
I don't particularly care what you want.
It's not mutual, since I do care what others want.
Jeff
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whoever
(e-mail address removed) (Jeff Cochran) wrote in
Learn to read, Jeff. OE doesn't. The latest commmercially released version
of Outlook doesn't work this way either.
This may be news to you, Jeff, but the rest of us are perfectly capable of
handling photo attachments in plain text messages - you don't need HTML to
mail photos. In fact, none of the hundreds of e-mails with photos that I've
received from cousins, aunts friends and neighbourshave _ever_ required
HTML for me to see the photos.
And what about my cousin, my aunt, my friends and neighbours? There's no
technical reason for these vulnerabilities to exist - the people who rely
on Microsoft to look after these issues for them are the ones who are being
shafted.
As long as it happens to be what you want, apparently. Outlook 2003 isn't
free, and won't be a replacement for OE for any but a tiny fraction of the
users of OE.
Get the latest version. It does.
Learn to read, Jeff. OE doesn't. The latest commmercially released version
of Outlook doesn't work this way either.
Sure. Now convince your cousin who just discovered she can send
photos of the baby, the dog, the wart on Uncle Walt's nose...
This may be news to you, Jeff, but the rest of us are perfectly capable of
handling photo attachments in plain text messages - you don't need HTML to
mail photos. In fact, none of the hundreds of e-mails with photos that I've
received from cousins, aunts friends and neighbourshave _ever_ required
HTML for me to see the photos.
Then do it.
And what about my cousin, my aunt, my friends and neighbours? There's no
technical reason for these vulnerabilities to exist - the people who rely
on Microsoft to look after these issues for them are the ones who are being
shafted.
It's not mutual, since I do care what others want.
As long as it happens to be what you want, apparently. Outlook 2003 isn't
free, and won't be a replacement for OE for any but a tiny fraction of the
users of OE.
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