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[Phillip Jones]

Daiya Mitchell wrote:
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Maybe the MacBU will fix it before Windows Word, wouldn't that be fun!
I feel a Send Feedback coming on.

Daiya

I sadly apt to say "When Donkey's Fly" to that comment. There is no way
on earth that a new feature will make it in to a mac version first. IF
its is a hit on the Darkside they might consider it. But; it unlikely.

Hi Daiya:

Yeah. I've been having and un-having the exact same random thought for a
little while now.

On the PC, it doesn't seem to cause any confusion because the PC
installed
base are used to it, Word has always worked that way.

But you're right, it DOESN'T lead to an innate understanding of text
streams, flows, and stories. Or any understanding at all, really. It's
simply annoying

Similarly, when sending as email the user has two choices:
"Attachment" or
"Inline HTML". The choice is not obvious, and the difference is not
adequately explained.

I used to think that Dr. JoAnn Hackos was up there with Keynes. She
invented Minimalist Documentation for Microsoft. Now, I think death
is too
good for her

The "Theory" of minimalist documentation is really good: "Just
enough, just
in time, exactly where you want it." But as soon as the business
people got
hold of it and misunderstood it, it became "Quick, Cheap, or Absent."

I bet that's never happened anywhere else in history?

Cheers

John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh] wrote:

This client needs to accept that if they send something in Word
format, the
user can edit it and it can have a running header on each page.
However,
the header will appear faded (to show that it is a header) unless
they view
and edit it in Print Preview.

I'm starting to think, to be honest, that the Word team needs to rethink
headers for the 21st century. So many people complain about the faded
headers, that maybe it should be recoded--the fade isn't helping anyone
understand the text streams in Word anyhow. The other thing people
complain about is that sending a word doc as email loses the
headers--well yeah, cause that's the way it works, but really, there
isn't much logic behind not including at least the first header in the
document as HTML text.

Anyhow, random thought.

Daiya

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[Michel Bintener]

There is no way on earth that a new feature will make it in to a mac version
first. IF its is a hit on the Darkside they might consider it. But; it
unlikely.

This has happened before, on many different occasions. One very nice example
would be the page layout view in Excel 2004, which has subsequently become
part of Excel 2007 on the Windows platform. One might even argue that the
formatting palette, a Mac-only feature, has influenced the development of
the "ribbon", the adaptive menu replacement toolbar in Office 2007. Also,
consider the many features in Office 2004 for Mac that do not exist as such
in Win Office, like the Project Center in Entourage 2004, or the Notebook
Layout view in Word 2004. Up to this point, Mac Office has always come out
several months, maybe even a year, after Win Office, which means that Mac
Office can benefit from (i.e. copy) recent developments on the Windows
platform while Win Office can do the same thing with Mac Office.

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Microsoft MVP
Office:Mac (Entourage & Word)

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[Kurt]

Hi Kurt:

Yeah, sure, but you're talking about two $800.00 programs there.

$379 for Acrobat pro. $454 for AI, but if you already have them, very
handy.

 

[little_creature]

The another workaround to have full colored picture in headers is to set the
document margins from top to high value say such as 5cm and place the
picture there. It will stay on the same place (will not move with text) as
it is not in the text box within the page and to my surprise it's printed
without problem. The only thing to be careful is to calculate with printer
border which are usually something about 1 cm.

I would be a bit careful about editable pdf, first as sone stated it's bit
expesive and second I have seen a lot of problem with fonts. Maybe it's not
so pronounced in english speaking countries, but in my language where we use
special character it happens...

Hi Kurt:

Yeah, sure, but you're talking about two $800.00 programs there.

$379 for Acrobat pro. $454 for AI, but if you already have them, very
handy.

If the customer wanted to roll out either of them to all of his users, and
provide the training required to learn how to use them, we wouldn't be
having this discussion

Business/Corporate users generally simply won't invest either the time or
the money. And nor should they: it's far more cost-effective to hire one of
us to do the job for them.

Microsoft Word is DESIGNED to grey out the headers when you're editing. It
serves as a visual cue to the user that "This text is in the header: if you
change it, you change the whole section."

I suspect that if Microsoft gave them the option to turn that off, we would
get a far greater number of disasters from people "correcting" page numbers


Cheers

"John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]" <[email protected]>
wrote:

Hi Bob:

You're right, Reader is specifically designed to prevent people editing.
But they can't edit a Word document via PDF in any case: the result when
it
comes back is not useable in Word.

This client needs to accept that if they send something in Word format,
the
user can edit it and it can have a running header on each page. However,
the header will appear faded (to show that it is a header) unless they
view
and edit it in Print Preview.

Editing in Print Preview is possible, but not recommended: it imposes
savage
demands on the system which can result in crashes. And it's not
intuitive:
you have to SHOW a user how to do it.

This is the way Word works...

The client needs to accept that if they send a PDF, to most purposes the
result can't be edited.

This is the way the world works

Acrobat professional allows simple editing to PDF documents.

Don't know if I've ever tried it with a PDF made from a word doc, but
you can generally make a lot of edits if you open a text-based PDF in
Adobe Illustrator.