Hebrew / right-to-left text

[Peter T. Daniels]

Ok, I tried it, and it does transpose either two selected letters or
the letters the cursor is between (so it works perfectly), but
selecting three letters produced only the message "You must place the
cursor between the 2 characters to be transposed!"

 

[Graham Mayor]

What I mean by not between 2 characters is where the cursor before the first
character of the current paragraph or after the last, or if there is no
document open or an empty document. If you select one or more than two
characters you do indeed get that warning message as the macro will only
handle two character transpositions. You can change the wording if you
prefer, but as you wanted the cursor to work from between the characters the
message simply reminds of that requirement. The error trapping messages are
primarily concerned with accidental applications of the macro in
inappropriate locations.

I'll have a look at the web page instructions re the QAT vis-a-vis the
shortcut key. However the macroname should appear in the right window of the
shortcut key editor, when macros are selected in the left.

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[Peter T. Daniels]

Ah -- you were simply saying that you made a little change to let the
user know that selecting _more_ than two characters wouldn't work.

 

[Graham Mayor]

Exactly! If a user selects more than 2 characters, the macro cannot
determine which, if any, of those characters are the two to be transposed so
would produce an error condition. The message alerts the user to that error.

Greg has pointed out that my macro required the Word option 'Typing Replaces
Selected Text' setting (this is the default condition). To overcome this he
has suggested a minor change which I have added to my web page version this
morning. If you have the option set you won't notice any difference with the
modified version.

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[Peter T. Daniels]

I remembered to check this when I was seeing what the Zoom commands
are called in 2007 (they're called Zoom).

When I select a command that's already on the QAT and click to add a
keyboard shortcut, I get the panel familiar to me from creating
keyboard shortcuts from Insert Symbol. When I type some command in the
box for it, at the bottom of the panel it gives the name of the
command it will become the keyboard shortcut for (in Insert Symbol, it
shows the symbol that will be inserted).

But when I added a keyboard shortcut for the macro that I didn't put
on the QAT, the name of the macro didn't appear at the bottom of the
Create Shortcut panel. (But the shortcut was created properly anyway.)

It's simply a display difference, but one that raises a hint of
insecurity -- it's possible that you could have mistakenly selected
the wrong macro from the list but this would have alerted you to such
a mistake.

 

[Guy Lydig]

Left Alt + Shift toggles between Hebrew and English and automatically types
text in the right direction. Punctuation looks like it will go in the wrong
place but is actually placed correctly.

 

[Terri N]

Thanks to Peter and everyone who contributed to this thread...you guys are
amazing! I dream of knowing 20% of what you know about this program... I
was a WordPerfect girl from the beginning, and the change to Word has been
difficult, but this discussion group is just a godsend.

 

[Ari]

Dear All,
This is not quite the topic of discussion in this thread but this was
the closest I could find. I've had the same problem in both Word 2003
and 2007 and can't find any information about it. The problem does not
always occur but is frequent enough to be very annoying and I can't
seem to figure out why it happens or doesn't happen:

If I have an existing document of Hebrew text, whether typed or cut-
and-paste from another program, often when I try to insert text by
typing, nothing will appear or be inserted. That is, if I attempt to
type Hebrew characters. If I type non-Hebrew characters (e.g. numbers,
punctuation) in the Hebrew font, or switch to an English font, the
typing inserts as would be expected. If I add a space, then backspace,
I can usually begin typing inserted text. This is not due to Overwrite/
Insert being toggled or anything else I can determine.

Any ideas?
Thank you!

 

[Peter T. Daniels]

Hmm. I've never used a computer whose native language is Hebrew. Are
you sure that all the texts you're using involve proper Unicode
Hebrew, and not old fonts that were slotted into the a-z A-Z slots of
the olden days?

I assume you have both Hebrew and English IME's activated in Windows?

I can certainly confirm that weird and annoying things happen
precisely at the interfaces between l-r and r-l script passages, and
the control codes don't show up with "Show Non-Printing Characters."

 

[Ari]

Hmm. I've never used a computer whose native language is Hebrew. Are
you sure that all the texts you're using involve proper Unicode
Hebrew, and not old fonts that were slotted into the a-z A-Z slots of
the olden days?

I assume you have both Hebrew and English IME's activated in Windows?

I can certainly confirm that weird and annoying things happen
precisely at the interfaces between l-r and r-l script passages, and
the control codes don't show up with "Show Non-Printing Characters."

The native language of my computer is English. This occurs with
documents that I've typed entirely myself in Word when going back to
edit them. I had the experience a couple of days ago, but when I had
shut down and returned to the file later it didn't occur, so I wonder
if it's somehow related to some active process that cleared with a
restart. It's still incredibly odd to occur only with Hebrew text
characters and not numbers, symbols, punctuation, or spaces, but for
now I'll try a restart the next time it happens and see if it helps.
Just wondering if anyone else out there had experienced this.

Thanks!
Ari

 

[Peter T. Daniels]

The native language of my computer is English. This occurs with
documents that I've typed entirely myself in Word when going back to
edit them. I had the experience a couple of days ago, but when I had
shut down and returned to the file later it didn't occur, so I wonder
if it's somehow related to some active process that cleared with a
restart. It's still incredibly odd to occur only with Hebrew text
characters and not numbers, symbols, punctuation, or spaces, but for
now I'll try a restart the next time it happens and see if it helps.
Just wondering if anyone else out there had experienced this.

Thanks!

You still didn't say whether you're using a Hebrew IME (keyboard etc.)
and a Unicode font, or whether you have an old font that doesn't use
Unicode encoding, and whether there are that sort of difference in the
pasted text as well as in the typed text.

 

[Ari]

Peter-
Sorry for not clarifying. I am using the Hebrew IME and it seems to
occur with all the fonts I use, which are all proper Unicode Hebrew
(including the Arial and Times New Roman Hebrew fonts).There doesn't
seem to be any such difference in the pasted text either.
Thanks!
Ari