uh...ok then...you best check your html again
| You are welcome. You just gave me some extra motivation to work out some
| things that have been on my to do list anyway.
|
| Before I go any further, here is a better code snippet for you:
|
| </font><font face="Wingdings" color=#a50021 size=3>ñ</font><font
| face="Trebuchet" color=#a50021 size=3><A HREF="#TOP">Top</A>
|
| I am almost embarrassed about posting that first snippet. I am so bad at
| coding. Oh well, it worked, even though it had a lot of extra code that
| wasn't needed. I should have waited until I had time to test some more.
This
| one is a bit cleaner...and perhaps not the last ;-) Rob and Mike, if you
are
| reading this, you two have to jump in when I am making a fool of myself
and
| offering such butchered code...yikes.
|
| Here is a different version on linking your thumbnails where he gives a
| different version with an example:
|
http://msmvps.com/blogs/dbartosik/articles/80553.aspx
|
| And, here is a link to three articles about uploading that might help if
you
| run into a jam:
|
http://msmvps.com/blogs/dbartosik/archive/category/1921.aspx
|
| I realize that all of this is a lot to understand, but that's part of the
| fun of it all. And you are always learning new and better ways of doing
| things...look at me for example. Relax... You will be fine.
|
| DavidF
|
|
| | > This will take some time to read! You've done a lot of work for me - I
| > really
| > do appreciate it!
| >
| > Right now I think the site is small enough to handle with one PUB file.
I
| > would like to have a better handle on how difficult it is to change
pages
| > and
| > files before I start worrying about subfolders. Of course, it would help
| > to
| > upload the thing so I could play with it and you could see what I'm
| > talking
| > about. And my friends want to see my work and are after me to get the
| > pages
| > up as well. Guess I want it perfect the first time - probably
impossible,
| > tho.
| >
| > I got the link font to work (from other string) and it looks good. A
tweak
| > of that tonight should clear it for uploading. Home and other pages area
| > ready. I have three glass pieces to describe and insert and two jewelry
| > pieces.
| >
| > Think I read the wrong file on the thumbnails. What I found didn't
explain
| > the links too clearly. I'll check that out tonight, too.
| >
| > Think I understand what you're saying about the upload. I just hope the
| > server will let me use Publisher; I had intended to change it to HTML &
| > FPage
| > format before I moved it, but that won't work! I'm glad tomorrow is
| > Saturday.
| >
| > I'm sure more questions will come up after I read everything and make a
| > few
| > more mistakes. That site IS going up this weekend! Please stay in touch!
| >
| > Have you heard the description "as nervous as a long-tailed cat in a
room
| > full of rockers"?
| >
| > More later...
| >
| > The (nervous) Kat
| >
| > "DavidF" wrote:
| >
| >> I'm back. answers in line
| >>
| >>
| >> | >> > Now YOU lost ME. I just did a "save as" of the optimized file because
I
| >> > was
| >> > unsure what would happen if I re-optimized the files after I added
new
| >> > pictures. At least I can uncheck the allow PNG before any more of
them
| >> > breed
| >> > in my program. The site uses LOTS of photos - stained glass, fused
| >> > glass,
| >> > jewelry,... and each piece is unique.
| >>
| >>
| >> Sorry about that. To clarify, when I was talking about using Publish to
| >> the
| >> Web vs. Save As , I was referencing the way you produce your html
| >> files...not the way you save your Pub file. I think it is always a good
| >> idea
| >> of doing a Save As to a new name when you make any major change in a
Pub
| >> file. Its nice to have that original to go back to.
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >> > I will have to oupdate the files frequently as new pieces are created
| >> > and
| >> > new jewelry styles come out. Will it be best to replace the entire
page
| >> > and
| >> > load that up instead of trying to place each new photo into the niche
| >> > of
| >> > the
| >> > old one?
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >> One of the places where Publisher starts to feel its limits is when the
| >> website gets big, and when you have pages that need to be updated
| >> frequently. When my site grew, I decided to break it up and produce it
| >> with
| >> multiple Publisher files. I have several parts of my site that get
| >> updated
| >> at least monthly, and I produce these with seperate Publisher files.
| >>
| >> Depending on how you have things organized, you might be better off
using
| >> multiple Pub files. Reference this article by David Bartosik: Building
a
| >> web
| >> site with multiple Publisher web publication files:
| >>
http://msmvps.com/blogs/dbartosik/archive/2006/01/16/81264.aspx
| >> I approach it a bit different than David though. I just create
subfolders
| >> on
| >> my site for the different sections, and continue to use the index.htm
as
| >> the
| >> default file name. Rather than mixing all those files in one folder, I
| >> find
| >> it easier to manage the files on my site when they are organized in
| >> separate
| >> subfolders...more like I have them organized on my computer. I also
tend
| >> to
| >> just delete the entire contents of those subfolders before I upload the
| >> updated HTML. This is probably not necessary, but I like an empty
folder
| >> and
| >> to avoid the possibility of orphaned image files that aren't
overwritten
| >> by
| >> the new files. To each their own. Sometimes if it is only a word or
two,
| >> I
| >> just change out the index.htm file. You will need to decide what makes
| >> sense
| >> for you. One caveat...you will probably need to abandon the navbar
wizard
| >> and build your own navbar or menu with absolute links...
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >> > Should I presume the larger files will be the 400 pixel ones (sorry -
| >> > NOT
| >> > dpi, I meant pixels!). I use Photoshop for the image fixes and crops.
| >> > The
| >> > ones in the site now are at 100 DPI so the 400 "DPI" of which I spoke
| >> > was
| >> > 400
| >> > pixels across = 4" on my resize. Is this a reasonable size for the
| >> > "big"
| >> > shots? How do I link the little PUB thumbnails to the larger files?
And
| >> > WHEN?
| >> > Before I save as HTML and move that to the site or after the site is
| >> > up?
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >> When you resize and optimize your images, I would agree with Rob. Make
| >> the
| >> images 400 pixels (or whatever final width you want), and at 72 or 96
| >> dpi,
| >> for your "large" version. I find that 400 pixel wide images give me
| >> enough
| >> detail, but you might need larger, and perhaps not need that large
| >> depending
| >> on the photo. Try different sizes until you find the smallest that
works
| >> for
| >> you. I use 100 or 150 pixel wide images for thumbnails. 100 can be
awful
| >> small... As to linking the two, you didn't take the time to read the
| >> article
| >> I referenced did you? ;-) The short of it is that you will upload your
| >> large
| >> size images to a subfolder on your site, and link to them from your
| >> thumbnails. Here is the reference again: How to Thumbnail in Publisher
| >> 2003
| >> Web Publications:
| >>
http://pubs.logicalexpressions.com/Pub0009/LPMArticle.asp?ID=564
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >> > That's where you lost me - you say "publish to the web" and I don't
| >> > have a
| >> > clue how to do that! I was planning to load HTML files that PUB
creates
| >> > each
| >> > time I save.
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >> I don't know if you are still confused about this or not, but when you
| >> produce the html files from Publisher you can click on the little icon,
| >> or
| >> File > Publish to the Web. If you produce your html files this way they
| >> are
| >> "filtered" and your over all file size and loading time is minimized.
| >> What I
| >> didn't want you to do was go to File > Save As > Save as type, a web
page
| >> in
| >> html format. That results in unfiltered html, that you don't want. Part
| >> of
| >> the confusion is that in Pub 2000, you do produce your html files via
the
| >> Save As approach, and in Pub 2002 you do something different. Sorry if
I
| >> confused you. Here is a brief outline of the whole process that might
| >> clear
| >> things up: Prepare, publish, and maintain your Publisher Web site:
| >>
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/publisher/HA011053521033.aspx
| >>
| >> Now then, its all clear as mud, eh?
| >>
| >> DavidF
| >>
| >>
| >> > Lost in space,
| >> > The Kat
| >> >
| >> > "DavidF" wrote:
| >> >
| >> >> Pub 2003 makes copies of any inserted images in various formats
| >> >> including
| >> >> PNGs. I don't remember if you have already done this, but if not, go
| >> >> to
| >> >> Tools > Options > Web Tab and uncheck "Rely on VML..." and "Allow
| >> >> PNGs...".
| >> >> This will minimize the use of PNGs, but not eliminate their
| >> >> production.
| >> >> Just
| >> >> ignore them.
| >> >>
| >> >> Secondly, unless I am reading your post wrong, you do not want to do
a
| >> >> Save
| >> >> As to produce your html output. Do a Publish to the Web, and you
will
| >> >> get
| >> >> filtered html.
| >> >>
| >> >> 400 dpi images are for print documents. It is good that you are
using
| >> >> the
| >> >> graphics compression tool in Publisher but if you want the optimal
| >> >> images
| >> >> in
| >> >> your pages, then you will resize and optimize the images before they
| >> >> are
| >> >> inserted into the page. And if you are going to link to "full size"
| >> >> images,
| >> >> they have to be optimized and sized in a third party program. There
| >> >> are
| >> >> lots
| >> >> of them out there, but a freebie that works pretty well is
| >> >>
www.irfanview.com
| >> >> .. Download and install it, and then open your original images and
| >> >> resize
| >> >> them to the 400 or 480 pixel width, at 72 or 96 dpi and perhaps 30%
| >> >> compression...play with it to see what final quality and size is
| >> >> acceptable
| >> >> to you. If you want to optimize the images that you insert, just
| >> >> resize
| >> >> the
| >> >> original to the custom size you created on your Publisher page,
insert
| >> >> them,
| >> >> and then make sure they are at 100% scale. (Select the image >
Format
| >> >> >
| >> >> Picture > Size tab). This is likely to give you the best picture
when
| >> >> viewed.
| >> >>
| >> >> DavidF
| >> >>
| >> >> | >> >> > Most of my "small" files are 400 dpi. I optimized the pages and
did
| >> >> > a
| >> >> > save
| >> >> > as
| >> >> > (still need to add photos). I looked at the page image files (Not
| >> >> > the
| >> >> > ones
| >> >> > I
| >> >> > pasted) and the sizes were down considerably ... except for the
| >> >> > PNGs.
| >> >> > Does
| >> >> > this mean I should upload the ~400 dpi original files for my
| >> >> > expanded
| >> >> > files.
| >> >> >
| >> >> > Any way to edit the PNGs to make them smaller? That's a new format
| >> >> > to
| >> >> > me
| >> >> > and
| >> >> > it crept onto the pages with some of the Office graphics files.
They
| >> >> > are
| >> >> > real
| >> >> > space hogs!
| >> >> >
| >> >> > "DavidF" wrote:
| >> >> >
| >> >> >> Reference: How to Thumbnail in Publisher 2003 Web Publications:
| >> >> >>
http://pubs.logicalexpressions.com/Pub0009/LPMArticle.asp?ID=564
| >> >> >>
| >> >> >> Size? Its a trade off. The bigger the picture, the larger the
file,
| >> >> >> the
| >> >> >> slower it loads. Start thinking in pixels instead of inches. I
| >> >> >> generally
| >> >> >> use
| >> >> >> a 400 pixel width for most "full size" views, and occasionally
480.
| >> >> >> This
| >> >> >> gets the file sizes down to no more than 15 to 20 kb, which load
| >> >> >> pretty
| >> >> >> fast. Some people will provide two links...one for dial-up users
to
| >> >> >> smaller
| >> >> >> images, and another for broadband users where file size isn't so
| >> >> >> important,
| >> >> >> and then link these to larger pictures.
| >> >> >>
| >> >> >> DavidF
| >> >> >>
| >> >> >> | >> >> >> >I would like to link to expanded pictures as well.
| >> >> >> >
| >> >> >> > What ia the best resolution and photo size (3x5, 4x6 ...) to
use
| >> >> >> > for
| >> >> >> > the
| >> >> >> > expanded pictures? I resized all my product thumbnails to 100
dpi
| >> >> >> > and
| >> >> >> > a
| >> >> >> > small size before I stuck them into my Pub 2003 site. (at least
I
| >> >> >> > still
| >> >> >> > have
| >> >> >> > the master photos at 300 dpi).
| >> >> >> >
| >> >> >> > How much does the "outside" photo link impact the loading time
of
| >> >> >> > the
| >> >> >> > site
| >> >> >> > page? Does the hyperlink slow down the load?
| >> >> >> >
| >> >> >> > "Don Schmidt" wrote:
| >> >> >> >
| >> >> >> >> While in Publisher, right click the thumbnail, select
hyperlink
| >> >> >> >> and
| >> >> >> >> then
| >> >> >> >> enter
| >> >> >> >> /filename.jpg or if it is a gif or if it is a bmp. Upload the
| >> >> >> >> file
| >> >> >> >> picture
| >> >> >> >> along with the new website files.
| >> >> >> >>
| >> >> >> >>
| >> >> >> >> --
| >> >> >> >> Don
| >> >> >> >> Vancouver, USA
| >> >> >> >>
| >> >> >> >>
message
| >> >> >> >> | >> >> >> >> > I have resized my original pic to a thumbnail and added it
to
| >> >> >> >> > my
| >> >> >> >> > website.
| >> >> >> >> Now
| >> >> >> >> > I would like it if I click on that thumbnail it would
| >> >> >> >> > hyperlink
| >> >> >> >> > to
| >> >> >> >> > my
| >> >> >> >> > original pic. What are the necessary steps. I'm running on
| >> >> >> >> > Publisher
| >> >> >> >> > 2003.
| >> >> >> >>
| >> >> >> >>
| >> >> >> >>
| >> >> >>
| >> >> >>
| >> >> >>
| >> >>
| >> >>
| >> >>
| >>
| >>
| >>
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