you're starting with a closing tag </font>
| Thanks Rob. If you have something a bit more specific...like
| alternative code...would love to see it. In the meantime at least I know
to
| keep looking.
|
| DavidF
|
| | > uh...ok then...you best check your html again
| >
| >
| > | > | You are welcome. You just gave me some extra motivation to work out
some
| > | things that have been on my to do list anyway.
| > |
| > | Before I go any further, here is a better code snippet for you:
| > |
| > | </font><font face="Wingdings" color=#a50021 size=3>ñ</font><font
| > | face="Trebuchet" color=#a50021 size=3><A HREF="#TOP">Top</A>
| > |
| > | I am almost embarrassed about posting that first snippet. I am so bad
at
| > | coding. Oh well, it worked, even though it had a lot of extra code
that
| > | wasn't needed. I should have waited until I had time to test some
more.
| > This
| > | one is a bit cleaner...and perhaps not the last ;-) Rob and Mike, if
you
| > are
| > | reading this, you two have to jump in when I am making a fool of
myself
| > and
| > | offering such butchered code...yikes.
| > |
| > | Here is a different version on linking your thumbnails where he gives
a
| > | different version with an example:
| > |
http://msmvps.com/blogs/dbartosik/articles/80553.aspx
| > |
| > | And, here is a link to three articles about uploading that might help
if
| > you
| > | run into a jam:
| > |
http://msmvps.com/blogs/dbartosik/archive/category/1921.aspx
| > |
| > | I realize that all of this is a lot to understand, but that's part of
| > the
| > | fun of it all. And you are always learning new and better ways of
doing
| > | things...look at me for example. Relax... You will be fine.
| > |
| > | DavidF
| > |
| > |
| > | | > | > This will take some time to read! You've done a lot of work for me -
I
| > | > really
| > | > do appreciate it!
| > | >
| > | > Right now I think the site is small enough to handle with one PUB
| > file.
| > I
| > | > would like to have a better handle on how difficult it is to change
| > pages
| > | > and
| > | > files before I start worrying about subfolders. Of course, it would
| > help
| > | > to
| > | > upload the thing so I could play with it and you could see what I'm
| > | > talking
| > | > about. And my friends want to see my work and are after me to get
the
| > | > pages
| > | > up as well. Guess I want it perfect the first time - probably
| > impossible,
| > | > tho.
| > | >
| > | > I got the link font to work (from other string) and it looks good. A
| > tweak
| > | > of that tonight should clear it for uploading. Home and other pages
| > area
| > | > ready. I have three glass pieces to describe and insert and two
| > jewelry
| > | > pieces.
| > | >
| > | > Think I read the wrong file on the thumbnails. What I found didn't
| > explain
| > | > the links too clearly. I'll check that out tonight, too.
| > | >
| > | > Think I understand what you're saying about the upload. I just hope
| > the
| > | > server will let me use Publisher; I had intended to change it to
HTML
| > &
| > | > FPage
| > | > format before I moved it, but that won't work! I'm glad tomorrow is
| > | > Saturday.
| > | >
| > | > I'm sure more questions will come up after I read everything and
make
| > a
| > | > few
| > | > more mistakes. That site IS going up this weekend! Please stay in
| > touch!
| > | >
| > | > Have you heard the description "as nervous as a long-tailed cat in a
| > room
| > | > full of rockers"?
| > | >
| > | > More later...
| > | >
| > | > The (nervous) Kat
| > | >
| > | > "DavidF" wrote:
| > | >
| > | >> I'm back. answers in line
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > | >> | > | >> > Now YOU lost ME. I just did a "save as" of the optimized file
| > because
| > I
| > | >> > was
| > | >> > unsure what would happen if I re-optimized the files after I
added
| > new
| > | >> > pictures. At least I can uncheck the allow PNG before any more
of
| > them
| > | >> > breed
| > | >> > in my program. The site uses LOTS of photos - stained glass,
fused
| > | >> > glass,
| > | >> > jewelry,... and each piece is unique.
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > | >> Sorry about that. To clarify, when I was talking about using
Publish
| > to
| > | >> the
| > | >> Web vs. Save As , I was referencing the way you produce your html
| > | >> files...not the way you save your Pub file. I think it is always a
| > good
| > | >> idea
| > | >> of doing a Save As to a new name when you make any major change in
a
| > Pub
| > | >> file. Its nice to have that original to go back to.
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > | >> > I will have to oupdate the files frequently as new pieces are
| > created
| > | >> > and
| > | >> > new jewelry styles come out. Will it be best to replace the
entire
| > page
| > | >> > and
| > | >> > load that up instead of trying to place each new photo into the
| > niche
| > | >> > of
| > | >> > the
| > | >> > old one?
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > | >> One of the places where Publisher starts to feel its limits is when
| > the
| > | >> website gets big, and when you have pages that need to be updated
| > | >> frequently. When my site grew, I decided to break it up and produce
| > it
| > | >> with
| > | >> multiple Publisher files. I have several parts of my site that get
| > | >> updated
| > | >> at least monthly, and I produce these with seperate Publisher
files.
| > | >>
| > | >> Depending on how you have things organized, you might be better off
| > using
| > | >> multiple Pub files. Reference this article by David Bartosik:
| > Building
| > a
| > | >> web
| > | >> site with multiple Publisher web publication files:
| > | >>
http://msmvps.com/blogs/dbartosik/archive/2006/01/16/81264.aspx
| > | >> I approach it a bit different than David though. I just create
| > subfolders
| > | >> on
| > | >> my site for the different sections, and continue to use the
index.htm
| > as
| > | >> the
| > | >> default file name. Rather than mixing all those files in one
folder,
| > I
| > | >> find
| > | >> it easier to manage the files on my site when they are organized in
| > | >> separate
| > | >> subfolders...more like I have them organized on my computer. I also
| > tend
| > | >> to
| > | >> just delete the entire contents of those subfolders before I upload
| > the
| > | >> updated HTML. This is probably not necessary, but I like an empty
| > folder
| > | >> and
| > | >> to avoid the possibility of orphaned image files that aren't
| > overwritten
| > | >> by
| > | >> the new files. To each their own. Sometimes if it is only a word or
| > two,
| > | >> I
| > | >> just change out the index.htm file. You will need to decide what
| > makes
| > | >> sense
| > | >> for you. One caveat...you will probably need to abandon the navbar
| > wizard
| > | >> and build your own navbar or menu with absolute links...
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > | >> > Should I presume the larger files will be the 400 pixel ones
| > (sorry -
| > | >> > NOT
| > | >> > dpi, I meant pixels!). I use Photoshop for the image fixes and
| > crops.
| > | >> > The
| > | >> > ones in the site now are at 100 DPI so the 400 "DPI" of which I
| > spoke
| > | >> > was
| > | >> > 400
| > | >> > pixels across = 4" on my resize. Is this a reasonable size for
the
| > | >> > "big"
| > | >> > shots? How do I link the little PUB thumbnails to the larger
files?
| > And
| > | >> > WHEN?
| > | >> > Before I save as HTML and move that to the site or after the site
| > is
| > | >> > up?
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > | >> When you resize and optimize your images, I would agree with Rob.
| > Make
| > | >> the
| > | >> images 400 pixels (or whatever final width you want), and at 72 or
96
| > | >> dpi,
| > | >> for your "large" version. I find that 400 pixel wide images give me
| > | >> enough
| > | >> detail, but you might need larger, and perhaps not need that large
| > | >> depending
| > | >> on the photo. Try different sizes until you find the smallest that
| > works
| > | >> for
| > | >> you. I use 100 or 150 pixel wide images for thumbnails. 100 can be
| > awful
| > | >> small... As to linking the two, you didn't take the time to read
the
| > | >> article
| > | >> I referenced did you? ;-) The short of it is that you will upload
| > your
| > | >> large
| > | >> size images to a subfolder on your site, and link to them from your
| > | >> thumbnails. Here is the reference again: How to Thumbnail in
| > Publisher
| > | >> 2003
| > | >> Web Publications:
| > | >>
http://pubs.logicalexpressions.com/Pub0009/LPMArticle.asp?ID=564
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > | >> > That's where you lost me - you say "publish to the web" and I
don't
| > | >> > have a
| > | >> > clue how to do that! I was planning to load HTML files that PUB
| > creates
| > | >> > each
| > | >> > time I save.
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > | >> I don't know if you are still confused about this or not, but when
| > you
| > | >> produce the html files from Publisher you can click on the little
| > icon,
| > | >> or
| > | >> File > Publish to the Web. If you produce your html files this way
| > they
| > | >> are
| > | >> "filtered" and your over all file size and loading time is
minimized.
| > | >> What I
| > | >> didn't want you to do was go to File > Save As > Save as type, a
web
| > page
| > | >> in
| > | >> html format. That results in unfiltered html, that you don't want.
| > Part
| > | >> of
| > | >> the confusion is that in Pub 2000, you do produce your html files
via
| > the
| > | >> Save As approach, and in Pub 2002 you do something different.
Sorry
| > if
| > I
| > | >> confused you. Here is a brief outline of the whole process that
might
| > | >> clear
| > | >> things up: Prepare, publish, and maintain your Publisher Web site:
| > | >>
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/publisher/HA011053521033.aspx
| > | >>
| > | >> Now then, its all clear as mud, eh?
| > | >>
| > | >> DavidF
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > | >> > Lost in space,
| > | >> > The Kat
| > | >> >
| > | >> > "DavidF" wrote:
| > | >> >
| > | >> >> Pub 2003 makes copies of any inserted images in various formats
| > | >> >> including
| > | >> >> PNGs. I don't remember if you have already done this, but if
not,
| > go
| > | >> >> to
| > | >> >> Tools > Options > Web Tab and uncheck "Rely on VML..." and
"Allow
| > | >> >> PNGs...".
| > | >> >> This will minimize the use of PNGs, but not eliminate their
| > | >> >> production.
| > | >> >> Just
| > | >> >> ignore them.
| > | >> >>
| > | >> >> Secondly, unless I am reading your post wrong, you do not want
to
| > do
| > a
| > | >> >> Save
| > | >> >> As to produce your html output. Do a Publish to the Web, and you
| > will
| > | >> >> get
| > | >> >> filtered html.
| > | >> >>
| > | >> >> 400 dpi images are for print documents. It is good that you are
| > using
| > | >> >> the
| > | >> >> graphics compression tool in Publisher but if you want the
optimal
| > | >> >> images
| > | >> >> in
| > | >> >> your pages, then you will resize and optimize the images before
| > they
| > | >> >> are
| > | >> >> inserted into the page. And if you are going to link to "full
| > size"
| > | >> >> images,
| > | >> >> they have to be optimized and sized in a third party program.
| > There
| > | >> >> are
| > | >> >> lots
| > | >> >> of them out there, but a freebie that works pretty well is
| > | >> >>
www.irfanview.com
| > | >> >> .. Download and install it, and then open your original images
and
| > | >> >> resize
| > | >> >> them to the 400 or 480 pixel width, at 72 or 96 dpi and perhaps
| > 30%
| > | >> >> compression...play with it to see what final quality and size is
| > | >> >> acceptable
| > | >> >> to you. If you want to optimize the images that you insert, just
| > | >> >> resize
| > | >> >> the
| > | >> >> original to the custom size you created on your Publisher page,
| > insert
| > | >> >> them,
| > | >> >> and then make sure they are at 100% scale. (Select the image >
| > Format
| > | >> >> >
| > | >> >> Picture > Size tab). This is likely to give you the best picture
| > when
| > | >> >> viewed.
| > | >> >>
| > | >> >> DavidF
| > | >> >>
| > | >> >> | > | >> >> > Most of my "small" files are 400 dpi. I optimized the pages
and
| > did
| > | >> >> > a
| > | >> >> > save
| > | >> >> > as
| > | >> >> > (still need to add photos). I looked at the page image files
| > (Not
| > | >> >> > the
| > | >> >> > ones
| > | >> >> > I
| > | >> >> > pasted) and the sizes were down considerably ... except for
the
| > | >> >> > PNGs.
| > | >> >> > Does
| > | >> >> > this mean I should upload the ~400 dpi original files for my
| > | >> >> > expanded
| > | >> >> > files.
| > | >> >> >
| > | >> >> > Any way to edit the PNGs to make them smaller? That's a new
| > format
| > | >> >> > to
| > | >> >> > me
| > | >> >> > and
| > | >> >> > it crept onto the pages with some of the Office graphics
files.
| > They
| > | >> >> > are
| > | >> >> > real
| > | >> >> > space hogs!
| > | >> >> >
| > | >> >> > "DavidF" wrote:
| > | >> >> >
| > | >> >> >> Reference: How to Thumbnail in Publisher 2003 Web
Publications:
| > | >> >> >>
| >
http://pubs.logicalexpressions.com/Pub0009/LPMArticle.asp?ID=564
| > | >> >> >>
| > | >> >> >> Size? Its a trade off. The bigger the picture, the larger the
| > file,
| > | >> >> >> the
| > | >> >> >> slower it loads. Start thinking in pixels instead of inches.
I
| > | >> >> >> generally
| > | >> >> >> use
| > | >> >> >> a 400 pixel width for most "full size" views, and
occasionally
| > 480.
| > | >> >> >> This
| > | >> >> >> gets the file sizes down to no more than 15 to 20 kb, which
| > load
| > | >> >> >> pretty
| > | >> >> >> fast. Some people will provide two links...one for dial-up
| > users
| > to
| > | >> >> >> smaller
| > | >> >> >> images, and another for broadband users where file size isn't
| > so
| > | >> >> >> important,
| > | >> >> >> and then link these to larger pictures.
| > | >> >> >>
| > | >> >> >> DavidF
| > | >> >> >>
| > | >> >> >> | > | >> >> >> >I would like to link to expanded pictures as well.
| > | >> >> >> >
| > | >> >> >> > What ia the best resolution and photo size (3x5, 4x6 ...)
to
| > use
| > | >> >> >> > for
| > | >> >> >> > the
| > | >> >> >> > expanded pictures? I resized all my product thumbnails to
100
| > dpi
| > | >> >> >> > and
| > | >> >> >> > a
| > | >> >> >> > small size before I stuck them into my Pub 2003 site. (at
| > least
| > I
| > | >> >> >> > still
| > | >> >> >> > have
| > | >> >> >> > the master photos at 300 dpi).
| > | >> >> >> >
| > | >> >> >> > How much does the "outside" photo link impact the loading
| > time
| > of
| > | >> >> >> > the
| > | >> >> >> > site
| > | >> >> >> > page? Does the hyperlink slow down the load?
| > | >> >> >> >
| > | >> >> >> > "Don Schmidt" wrote:
| > | >> >> >> >
| > | >> >> >> >> While in Publisher, right click the thumbnail, select
| > hyperlink
| > | >> >> >> >> and
| > | >> >> >> >> then
| > | >> >> >> >> enter
| > | >> >> >> >> /filename.jpg or if it is a gif or if it is a bmp. Upload
| > the
| > | >> >> >> >> file
| > | >> >> >> >> picture
| > | >> >> >> >> along with the new website files.
| > | >> >> >> >>
| > | >> >> >> >>
| > | >> >> >> >> --
| > | >> >> >> >> Don
| > | >> >> >> >> Vancouver, USA
| > | >> >> >> >>
| > | >> >> >> >>
| > message
| > | >> >> >> >> | > | >> >> >> >> > I have resized my original pic to a thumbnail and added
it
| > to
| > | >> >> >> >> > my
| > | >> >> >> >> > website.
| > | >> >> >> >> Now
| > | >> >> >> >> > I would like it if I click on that thumbnail it would
| > | >> >> >> >> > hyperlink
| > | >> >> >> >> > to
| > | >> >> >> >> > my
| > | >> >> >> >> > original pic. What are the necessary steps. I'm running
on
| > | >> >> >> >> > Publisher
| > | >> >> >> >> > 2003.
| > | >> >> >> >>
| > | >> >> >> >>
| > | >> >> >> >>
| > | >> >> >>
| > | >> >> >>
| > | >> >> >>
| > | >> >>
| > | >> >>
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