Insert JAlbum

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brelade

I have down loaded JAlbum, and wish to insert in to my site.
How do i insert JAlbum, but still keeping my page layout, i.e Header & Nav
bar.

If JAlbum is the wrong type of photo gallery for this, can you recommend
another free programme, I just wish to insert it as a portion of the page.

Cheers
 
R

Rob Giordano \(Crash\)

The only way to do this would be with frames, and Publisher doesn't support
frames (which are ugly anyway). JAlbum creates pages. Why not make JAlbums
pages match your existing page as much as possible then create a link to the
first index page of JAlbum...thats how I usually do it (but not with
Publisher - but it should work fine)


|I have down loaded JAlbum, and wish to insert in to my site.
| How do i insert JAlbum, but still keeping my page layout, i.e Header & Nav
| bar.
|
| If JAlbum is the wrong type of photo gallery for this, can you recommend
| another free programme, I just wish to insert it as a portion of the page.
|
| Cheers
| --
| brelade
 
B

brelade

Can you tell me how i do this, or you may be you will understand better the
instructions at JAlbum.

I have chosen this programme, as i have seen it mentioned many times before
in past threads.

JAlbum help page, say's you CAN intergrate the album in to an exsisting web
page, but it has mega confused me. http://jalbum.net/integrate.jsp
Cheers
 
R

Rob Giordano \(Crash\)

Not sure you'd be able to do it the way JAlbum suggests with a Publisher
web.

You'd have to somehow get the entire JAlbum album folder (the one you
created the album into on your hd) INTO your Publisher web folder then
Publish it...how?..not sure, since Publisher has it's own way of doing
things. It's easy with Frontpage or any other web builder I've used, but
I've not done it with Publisher webs.

You may have to wait for one of the other Publisher gurus to advise on this.


| Can you tell me how i do this, or you may be you will understand better
the
| instructions at JAlbum.
|
| I have chosen this programme, as i have seen it mentioned many times
before
| in past threads.
|
| JAlbum help page, say's you CAN intergrate the album in to an exsisting
web
| page, but it has mega confused me. http://jalbum.net/integrate.jsp
| Cheers
| --
| brelade
|
|
| "Rob Giordano (Crash)" wrote:
|
| > The only way to do this would be with frames, and Publisher doesn't
support
| > frames (which are ugly anyway). JAlbum creates pages. Why not make
JAlbums
| > pages match your existing page as much as possible then create a link to
the
| > first index page of JAlbum...thats how I usually do it (but not with
| > Publisher - but it should work fine)
| >
| >
| > | > |I have down loaded JAlbum, and wish to insert in to my site.
| > | How do i insert JAlbum, but still keeping my page layout, i.e Header &
Nav
| > | bar.
| > |
| > | If JAlbum is the wrong type of photo gallery for this, can you
recommend
| > | another free programme, I just wish to insert it as a portion of the
page.
| > |
| > | Cheers
| > | --
| > | brelade
| >
| >
| >
 
D

DavidF

Rob,

Actually I have recently discovered that the statement "Publisher doesn't
support frames" to not be totally true, though I have typed the same thing
many times on this group. After following the thread with you and Mike and
the poster that had converted his whole Publisher web site to frames, I have
found another exception to the rule.

You are correct that there is no built-in support for frames. You are also
correct that there are problems when web hosts frame Publisher websites,
especially if the sites use the wizard built menus with relative
links...they don't work. However, you can use iframes in a Publisher web
page by inserting the "proper" code into the page via the insert html code
fragment tool. I say "proper" cuz I don't pretend to understand the "proper"
way to write that code (or any code for that matter), but have had some
success with my testing. I also think you are correct in suggesting that the
best way is to link from your web page to the JAlbum, to insure the chance
of actually getting the album to load. And I am certainly not knowledgeable
enough to debate the use or the aesthetics of using frames or iframes...

However, for the benefit of Brelade, here is one way to incorporate JAlbums
into Publisher web pages. First create a subfolder on your site (I used
"Album" at the root), and upload the html output from JAlbum into that
subfolder. Then you can insert the following code snippet into your
Publisher page:


<IFRAME src=http://www.yourdomain.com/Album/"
width="700" height="600" hspace="0" vspace="0"
frameborder="0" scrolling="auto"></IFRAME>


Make your code fragment box the size you specify in the code fragment...in
this case 700x600, and you can change the size of the iframe depending on
what you want to see, by changing those dimensions in the code fragment.

I also have found in the past that some browsers have chocked when I tried
to import anything into a Publisher web page, so I also add another code
snippet right above the iframe code snippet:


<p><font face="Arial" size="3">
<a href="http://www.yourdomain.com/Album/"
onclick="NewWindow(this.href,'name','700','600','yes');return false">Click
Here - Your Photo Album</a> - If the photo album does not load properly
below, or you prefer to view the album in a new browser window. A new window
will open. Close when finished.<br>


This I believe is an alternative to consider by itself, if Brelade wants the
album to open in a new window, and was my attempt at giving the viewer a
"fail safe" option, in case the album didn't import and display properly in
the Publisher page.

Brelade, as I said, I am not a coder, so don't ask me how to fix any code or
troubleshoot why this doesn't work in your particular situation, but perhaps
it will give you a starting point. And don't ask me to interpret the
instructions given you on the JAlbum link you provided. I believe in trial
and terror as a learning process, so get in there and do some trials;-)

DavidF
 
B

brelade

Rob many thanks for your help & advice.
I will try and endevour to sort this out.
 
R

Rob Giordano \(Crash\)

I'd be interested to see if it works!



| Rob,
|
| Actually I have recently discovered that the statement "Publisher doesn't
| support frames" to not be totally true, though I have typed the same thing
| many times on this group. After following the thread with you and Mike and
| the poster that had converted his whole Publisher web site to frames, I
have
| found another exception to the rule.
|
| You are correct that there is no built-in support for frames. You are also
| correct that there are problems when web hosts frame Publisher websites,
| especially if the sites use the wizard built menus with relative
| links...they don't work. However, you can use iframes in a Publisher web
| page by inserting the "proper" code into the page via the insert html code
| fragment tool. I say "proper" cuz I don't pretend to understand the
"proper"
| way to write that code (or any code for that matter), but have had some
| success with my testing. I also think you are correct in suggesting that
the
| best way is to link from your web page to the JAlbum, to insure the chance
| of actually getting the album to load. And I am certainly not
knowledgeable
| enough to debate the use or the aesthetics of using frames or iframes...
|
| However, for the benefit of Brelade, here is one way to incorporate
JAlbums
| into Publisher web pages. First create a subfolder on your site (I used
| "Album" at the root), and upload the html output from JAlbum into that
| subfolder. Then you can insert the following code snippet into your
| Publisher page:
|
|
| <IFRAME src=http://www.yourdomain.com/Album/"
| width="700" height="600" hspace="0" vspace="0"
| frameborder="0" scrolling="auto"></IFRAME>
|
|
| Make your code fragment box the size you specify in the code fragment...in
| this case 700x600, and you can change the size of the iframe depending on
| what you want to see, by changing those dimensions in the code fragment.
|
| I also have found in the past that some browsers have chocked when I tried
| to import anything into a Publisher web page, so I also add another code
| snippet right above the iframe code snippet:
|
|
| <p><font face="Arial" size="3">
| <a href="http://www.yourdomain.com/Album/"
| onclick="NewWindow(this.href,'name','700','600','yes');return false">Click
| Here - Your Photo Album</a> - If the photo album does not load properly
| below, or you prefer to view the album in a new browser window. A new
window
| will open. Close when finished.<br>
|
|
| This I believe is an alternative to consider by itself, if Brelade wants
the
| album to open in a new window, and was my attempt at giving the viewer a
| "fail safe" option, in case the album didn't import and display properly
in
| the Publisher page.
|
| Brelade, as I said, I am not a coder, so don't ask me how to fix any code
or
| troubleshoot why this doesn't work in your particular situation, but
perhaps
| it will give you a starting point. And don't ask me to interpret the
| instructions given you on the JAlbum link you provided. I believe in trial
| and terror as a learning process, so get in there and do some trials;-)
|
| DavidF
|
| | > The only way to do this would be with frames, and Publisher doesn't
| > support
| > frames (which are ugly anyway). JAlbum creates pages. Why not make
JAlbums
| > pages match your existing page as much as possible then create a link to
| > the
| > first index page of JAlbum...thats how I usually do it (but not with
| > Publisher - but it should work fine)
| >
| >
| > | > |I have down loaded JAlbum, and wish to insert in to my site.
| > | How do i insert JAlbum, but still keeping my page layout, i.e Header &
| > Nav
| > | bar.
| > |
| > | If JAlbum is the wrong type of photo gallery for this, can you
recommend
| > | another free programme, I just wish to insert it as a portion of the
| > page.
| > |
| > | Cheers
| > | --
| > | brelade
| >
| >
|
|
 
D

DavidF

It does in at least three cases on my site...knock on wood ;-) I have tested
it in Pub 2000 and 2003 so far...

DavidF
 
M

MIchaeldane

I've been following this dialog concerning JAlbum and IFrames. I use JAlbum
with my web site, the album being linked from my site to a folder on the
server and it works great and looks great.

I tried what David suggestion and it works, but JAlbum adjusts itself to
screen size and in the IFrame you end up with a lot of vertical and
horizontal scrolling, not very functional.

Just my 2 cents.
 
R

Rob Giordano \(Crash\)

Didja publish it? I'd like to see the results if ya did.




| It does in at least three cases on my site...knock on wood ;-) I have
tested
| it in Pub 2000 and 2003 so far...
|
| DavidF
|
| | > I'd be interested to see if it works!
| >
| >
| >
| > | > | Rob,
| > |
| > | Actually I have recently discovered that the statement "Publisher
| > doesn't
| > | support frames" to not be totally true, though I have typed the same
| > thing
| > | many times on this group. After following the thread with you and Mike
| > and
| > | the poster that had converted his whole Publisher web site to frames,
I
| > have
| > | found another exception to the rule.
| > |
| > | You are correct that there is no built-in support for frames. You are
| > also
| > | correct that there are problems when web hosts frame Publisher
websites,
| > | especially if the sites use the wizard built menus with relative
| > | links...they don't work. However, you can use iframes in a Publisher
web
| > | page by inserting the "proper" code into the page via the insert html
| > code
| > | fragment tool. I say "proper" cuz I don't pretend to understand the
| > "proper"
| > | way to write that code (or any code for that matter), but have had
some
| > | success with my testing. I also think you are correct in suggesting
that
| > the
| > | best way is to link from your web page to the JAlbum, to insure the
| > chance
| > | of actually getting the album to load. And I am certainly not
| > knowledgeable
| > | enough to debate the use or the aesthetics of using frames or
iframes...
| > |
| > | However, for the benefit of Brelade, here is one way to incorporate
| > JAlbums
| > | into Publisher web pages. First create a subfolder on your site (I
used
| > | "Album" at the root), and upload the html output from JAlbum into that
| > | subfolder. Then you can insert the following code snippet into your
| > | Publisher page:
| > |
| > |
| > | <IFRAME src=http://www.yourdomain.com/Album/"
| > | width="700" height="600" hspace="0" vspace="0"
| > | frameborder="0" scrolling="auto"></IFRAME>
| > |
| > |
| > | Make your code fragment box the size you specify in the code
| > fragment...in
| > | this case 700x600, and you can change the size of the iframe depending
| > on
| > | what you want to see, by changing those dimensions in the code
fragment.
| > |
| > | I also have found in the past that some browsers have chocked when I
| > tried
| > | to import anything into a Publisher web page, so I also add another
code
| > | snippet right above the iframe code snippet:
| > |
| > |
| > | <p><font face="Arial" size="3">
| > | <a href="http://www.yourdomain.com/Album/"
| > | onclick="NewWindow(this.href,'name','700','600','yes');return
| > false">Click
| > | Here - Your Photo Album</a> - If the photo album does not load
properly
| > | below, or you prefer to view the album in a new browser window. A new
| > window
| > | will open. Close when finished.<br>
| > |
| > |
| > | This I believe is an alternative to consider by itself, if Brelade
wants
| > the
| > | album to open in a new window, and was my attempt at giving the viewer
a
| > | "fail safe" option, in case the album didn't import and display
properly
| > in
| > | the Publisher page.
| > |
| > | Brelade, as I said, I am not a coder, so don't ask me how to fix any
| > code
| > or
| > | troubleshoot why this doesn't work in your particular situation, but
| > perhaps
| > | it will give you a starting point. And don't ask me to interpret the
| > | instructions given you on the JAlbum link you provided. I believe in
| > trial
| > | and terror as a learning process, so get in there and do some
trials;-)
| > |
| > | DavidF
| > |
| > message
| > | | > | > The only way to do this would be with frames, and Publisher doesn't
| > | > support
| > | > frames (which are ugly anyway). JAlbum creates pages. Why not make
| > JAlbums
| > | > pages match your existing page as much as possible then create a
link
| > to
| > | > the
| > | > first index page of JAlbum...thats how I usually do it (but not with
| > | > Publisher - but it should work fine)
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > | > | > |I have down loaded JAlbum, and wish to insert in to my site.
| > | > | How do i insert JAlbum, but still keeping my page layout, i.e
Header
| > &
| > | > Nav
| > | > | bar.
| > | > |
| > | > | If JAlbum is the wrong type of photo gallery for this, can you
| > recommend
| > | > | another free programme, I just wish to insert it as a portion of
the
| > | > page.
| > | > |
| > | > | Cheers
| > | > | --
| > | > | brelade
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
 
D

DavidF

Thanks for posting. You are correct, and I had to play with the iframe size
quite a bit to get what I wanted, but the size works pretty well after you
get past the thumbnail page, for the full image size I chose to use. No need
to scroll then.

But as I said to Rob, I tend to think that doing it the way you two are
doing it is probably the best way.

DavidF
 
D

DavidF

Try it yourself. Just create a blank web page with Publisher, insert the
code snippet and upload it to a test folder on your site. It will be a good
exercise, and remind you why its better to produce your site with
FrontPage.;-)

Or are you going to migrate to Expression? What do you think of Expression?
I took a peek at SharePoint but couldn't get hold of a copy of Expression
during the Publisher beta.

DavidF
 
M

MIchaeldane

brelade;

Suggestion, go back into your JAlbum, navigate to the album tab then
Chamelon and then the album tab.

In the custom link put something like "Back To Main Web Site" and the enter
the link back to your main page and uncheck open in new window.

In this way, if you get to far into the picture album the only way back to
your main page in using the back arrow. This provides a link back to your
main page at the bottom of the picture gallery. And then of course republish.
 
M

Mike Koewler

brelade,

There's no reason for you to only be able to view a page in IE. Opera,
Mozilla (Seamonkey, Firefox, Mozilla) and other browsers all offer free
downloads. If you are serious about doing a web site, you will download
these programs and check out your pages in them. IE's share keeps
dropping. Yeah, they are the still the Great Ape, but would you want
three of every 20 visitors to think your site looks like crap?

YMMV,
Mike
 
D

DavidF

In my opinion, one of the debatable "advantages" of using Publisher to
produce a website is it forces you to KISS (keep it simple stupid). And in
my opinion, just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean you should. I
would suggest that you follow MIchaeldean and Rob's example, and just link
to your JAlbum from your Publisher page, and not try to insert it into a
page. Also take Mike's advice and at least download FF 2.0 and test your
site yourself.

When I tried to load the page in IE6, it took forever, and then it wanted to
install a newer version of the Adobe Flash Player. A lot of people are going
to say no to that and the page doesn't work without it. I would suggest that
you consider a different JAlbum that doesn't require flash to work. It works
a bit better in FF, but the pictures are too large to fit on the screen, and
you have overlapping design elements. If you load the JAlbum in its own
window, it works fine in FF.

I try to remain non-judgmental in this group, and if someone wants to know
how to do something, I tell them if I know. However, you have worked so hard
on your site, and invested so much time, and show so much creativity, and
though I don't want to offend you, I think you are falling into the trap of
trying to do too much with your site. Too many bells and whistles, special
effects, wham bam and fluff and it distracts from the main subject...the
dogs. I think I have said before that your pages are too wide to begin with.
In my opinion, they should not be wider than 800 pixels at the most. And now
you are inserting an iframe that is also too large, and images that are also
probably too large for a person with a dial-up connection or a small screen.

I would suggest that you take a step back and ask yourself, what is the goal
of your site? Then ask yourself is it to promote the dogs, or to show people
all the things you can do with a website? Then study your pages and ask
yourself, if the viewer had a slow dial-up modem, was technologically
challenged or inexperienced, how would that person like and get around in my
website? What if they were viewing your site on a small screen...a small
laptop...that makes them scroll in order to see the full width of your page?
Ask yourself when you get ready to add yet another animated gif, or add
another dynamic feature, does it contribute and further the goal of
promoting the dogs and make it easier for people to find and view your
content, or does it just distract people from that goal and take a long time
to load? Ask yourself if you want the focus to be on the dogs, or all the
web design tricks?

Don't feel like the lone ranger. I think this is a common problem among new
web designers, and even expert web designers. I recently was asked to
comment on a website for a fancy restaurant. It was designed by an expert
who used some advanced design techniques and specialized web software. It
had a cool factor, but I thought it sucked. I couldn't figure out how to
navigate and I really didn't think it was effective at all. It certainly
didn't leave me wanting to go the restaurant. I heard later that the
designer admitted that he was going for style over substance.

When I first started lurking in this newsgroup, every time I learned a new
web design trick that was cool, or had the wow factor, I added it to my
site. Then someone suggested that I needed to KISS, that all the bells and
whistles I had added were just a distraction, and got in the way of them
finding the content they wanted. They sent me to this link:
http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com/ My feeling were hurt, my ego stomped on,
but when I got over that, I started reading about good web design
principles, and I stepped back and redesigned my site. I stripped out
everything that did not further my goal. I am even now removing the "cool"
javascript menu I have on my main section pages, and replacing it with a
fairly simple, textual menu with absolute links. Not so cool, but easier for
the average person to use, and easier for the search engine webbots to
spider. I should have done this a long time ago, but I was too enamored with
the cool javascript.

This is probably a whole lot more than you wanted to hear, but like I said,
I really respect the amount of time and energy you have invested in your
site, and I will risk possibly insulting you by offering this feedback. I
would suggest that you forget about using the iframes, and just link to your
JAlbums and let them open in a new window. For what its worth, I decided to
back off the whole JAlbum approach, and to KISS, I now use Porta:
http://www.stegmann.dk/mikkel/porta/ or even more KISS just load the images
onto my Publisher pages.

Bottom line is Content Is King....and KISS. Your dogs should be the focus of
your site...

Just by 4 cents worth...I'll get off my soapbox now ;-)

DavidF
 
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brelade

David.
Many thanks for your comments, I do not take any offence, in fact it's good
to get feed back from others who are in the know.

I agree i think i have fallen in to the lets put as much as i can on there,
but the matter of fact is, the site is for my wife, they are her dogs, which
she adores, and i am the one who sat down one weekend and though, you know, i
think i will have a go at putting a web site together, as i couldn't afford
some one to do if for me.

I do view the discussions page regularly to see what's new, but i have had
nothing but good reviews from visitors to my site, which has let me further
down the garden path.

While i am posting a reply, question, when i resize my pictures, what ratio
is width to height, i.e, if i what to go smaller than 800px wide, what would
be the height ratio for that, and even smaller, say 600px wide or 400px wide,
you know what i mean.

Please dont ignore my future request for may be a few small bells &
whistles, but i do aggree that i need to look at my picture size.

Cheers
 
D

DavidF

I don't know that I am in the know or not. I am far from an expert or else I
wouldn't be using Publisher to build websites, would I? <grin> But I am glad
you weren't offended.

As per sizes, just make sure that you maintain the same aspect ratio of the
original picture. Some of the more common dimensions are 480x320, 640x480,
800x600 etc. I actually built a couple JAlbums using 400 pixel wide images,
that gave you the option of clicking for a full screen version of 800x600.
This way the album was quick to load for the dial-up viewer, the image was
large enough to provide some detail, and if someone had a broadband
connection, or lots of patience, they could click on the largest version.
Most thumbnails seem to be 100 to 150 pixels wide, though on one Album I
used 200.

And no <grin> I will still try to answer your questions as best I can, and
will generally stay off the soap box. Web design is a great way to show your
own creativity, and I doubt that anyone would say that there is just one
right way. If they did, I would wonder about that person...

Have fun...

DavidF
 
M

Mike Koewler

Brelade,

A 400 x 300 image (at 96 dpi) looks nice and loads rather quick. Here's
an album I put up for some of my daughter's pictures. Nothing fancy at
all. To see a larger view, click on the picture.

Mike
 

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