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Rob Giordano \(Crash\)
I've been using Expression since the first CTP. I now have the RTM and the 8
hour DVD Total Training videos and Jim Cheshire's book. I hardly use FP
anymore. EW is really nice...you should download the trial version and try
it. I've been making the transition to CSS for the past few months so I
really feel like a noob these days.
| Try it yourself. Just create a blank web page with Publisher, insert the
| code snippet and upload it to a test folder on your site. It will be a
good
| exercise, and remind you why its better to produce your site with
| FrontPage.;-)
|
| Or are you going to migrate to Expression? What do you think of
Expression?
| I took a peek at SharePoint but couldn't get hold of a copy of Expression
| during the Publisher beta.
|
| DavidF
|
| | > Didja publish it? I'd like to see the results if ya did.
| >
| >
| >
| >
| > | > | It does in at least three cases on my site...knock on wood ;-) I have
| > tested
| > | it in Pub 2000 and 2003 so far...
| > |
| > | DavidF
| > |
| > message
| > | | > | > I'd be interested to see if it works!
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > | > | > | Rob,
| > | > |
| > | > | Actually I have recently discovered that the statement "Publisher
| > | > doesn't
| > | > | support frames" to not be totally true, though I have typed the
same
| > | > thing
| > | > | many times on this group. After following the thread with you and
| > Mike
| > | > and
| > | > | the poster that had converted his whole Publisher web site to
| > frames,
| > I
| > | > have
| > | > | found another exception to the rule.
| > | > |
| > | > | You are correct that there is no built-in support for frames. You
| > are
| > | > also
| > | > | correct that there are problems when web hosts frame Publisher
| > websites,
| > | > | especially if the sites use the wizard built menus with relative
| > | > | links...they don't work. However, you can use iframes in a
Publisher
| > web
| > | > | page by inserting the "proper" code into the page via the insert
| > html
| > | > code
| > | > | fragment tool. I say "proper" cuz I don't pretend to understand
the
| > | > "proper"
| > | > | way to write that code (or any code for that matter), but have had
| > some
| > | > | success with my testing. I also think you are correct in
suggesting
| > that
| > | > the
| > | > | best way is to link from your web page to the JAlbum, to insure
the
| > | > chance
| > | > | of actually getting the album to load. And I am certainly not
| > | > knowledgeable
| > | > | enough to debate the use or the aesthetics of using frames or
| > iframes...
| > | > |
| > | > | However, for the benefit of Brelade, here is one way to
incorporate
| > | > JAlbums
| > | > | into Publisher web pages. First create a subfolder on your site (I
| > used
| > | > | "Album" at the root), and upload the html output from JAlbum into
| > that
| > | > | subfolder. Then you can insert the following code snippet into
your
| > | > | Publisher page:
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > | <IFRAME src=http://www.yourdomain.com/Album/"
| > | > | width="700" height="600" hspace="0" vspace="0"
| > | > | frameborder="0" scrolling="auto"></IFRAME>
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > | Make your code fragment box the size you specify in the code
| > | > fragment...in
| > | > | this case 700x600, and you can change the size of the iframe
| > depending
| > | > on
| > | > | what you want to see, by changing those dimensions in the code
| > fragment.
| > | > |
| > | > | I also have found in the past that some browsers have chocked when
I
| > | > tried
| > | > | to import anything into a Publisher web page, so I also add
another
| > code
| > | > | snippet right above the iframe code snippet:
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > | <p><font face="Arial" size="3">
| > | > | <a href="http://www.yourdomain.com/Album/"
| > | > | onclick="NewWindow(this.href,'name','700','600','yes');return
| > | > false">Click
| > | > | Here - Your Photo Album</a> - If the photo album does not load
| > properly
| > | > | below, or you prefer to view the album in a new browser window. A
| > new
| > | > window
| > | > | will open. Close when finished.<br>
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > | This I believe is an alternative to consider by itself, if Brelade
| > wants
| > | > the
| > | > | album to open in a new window, and was my attempt at giving the
| > viewer
| > a
| > | > | "fail safe" option, in case the album didn't import and display
| > properly
| > | > in
| > | > | the Publisher page.
| > | > |
| > | > | Brelade, as I said, I am not a coder, so don't ask me how to fix
any
| > | > code
| > | > or
| > | > | troubleshoot why this doesn't work in your particular situation,
but
| > | > perhaps
| > | > | it will give you a starting point. And don't ask me to interpret
the
| > | > | instructions given you on the JAlbum link you provided. I believe
in
| > | > trial
| > | > | and terror as a learning process, so get in there and do some
| > trials;-)
| > | > |
| > | > | DavidF
| > | > |
| > | > message
| > | > | | > | > | > The only way to do this would be with frames, and Publisher
| > doesn't
| > | > | > support
| > | > | > frames (which are ugly anyway). JAlbum creates pages. Why not
make
| > | > JAlbums
| > | > | > pages match your existing page as much as possible then create a
| > link
| > | > to
| > | > | > the
| > | > | > first index page of JAlbum...thats how I usually do it (but not
| > with
| > | > | > Publisher - but it should work fine)
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > |I have down loaded JAlbum, and wish to insert in to my site.
| > | > | > | How do i insert JAlbum, but still keeping my page layout, i.e
| > Header
| > | > &
| > | > | > Nav
| > | > | > | bar.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | If JAlbum is the wrong type of photo gallery for this, can you
| > | > recommend
| > | > | > | another free programme, I just wish to insert it as a portion
of
| > the
| > | > | > page.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | Cheers
| > | > | > | --
| > | > | > | brelade
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
hour DVD Total Training videos and Jim Cheshire's book. I hardly use FP
anymore. EW is really nice...you should download the trial version and try
it. I've been making the transition to CSS for the past few months so I
really feel like a noob these days.
| Try it yourself. Just create a blank web page with Publisher, insert the
| code snippet and upload it to a test folder on your site. It will be a
good
| exercise, and remind you why its better to produce your site with
| FrontPage.;-)
|
| Or are you going to migrate to Expression? What do you think of
Expression?
| I took a peek at SharePoint but couldn't get hold of a copy of Expression
| during the Publisher beta.
|
| DavidF
|
| | > Didja publish it? I'd like to see the results if ya did.
| >
| >
| >
| >
| > | > | It does in at least three cases on my site...knock on wood ;-) I have
| > tested
| > | it in Pub 2000 and 2003 so far...
| > |
| > | DavidF
| > |
| > message
| > | | > | > I'd be interested to see if it works!
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > | > | > | Rob,
| > | > |
| > | > | Actually I have recently discovered that the statement "Publisher
| > | > doesn't
| > | > | support frames" to not be totally true, though I have typed the
same
| > | > thing
| > | > | many times on this group. After following the thread with you and
| > Mike
| > | > and
| > | > | the poster that had converted his whole Publisher web site to
| > frames,
| > I
| > | > have
| > | > | found another exception to the rule.
| > | > |
| > | > | You are correct that there is no built-in support for frames. You
| > are
| > | > also
| > | > | correct that there are problems when web hosts frame Publisher
| > websites,
| > | > | especially if the sites use the wizard built menus with relative
| > | > | links...they don't work. However, you can use iframes in a
Publisher
| > web
| > | > | page by inserting the "proper" code into the page via the insert
| > html
| > | > code
| > | > | fragment tool. I say "proper" cuz I don't pretend to understand
the
| > | > "proper"
| > | > | way to write that code (or any code for that matter), but have had
| > some
| > | > | success with my testing. I also think you are correct in
suggesting
| > that
| > | > the
| > | > | best way is to link from your web page to the JAlbum, to insure
the
| > | > chance
| > | > | of actually getting the album to load. And I am certainly not
| > | > knowledgeable
| > | > | enough to debate the use or the aesthetics of using frames or
| > iframes...
| > | > |
| > | > | However, for the benefit of Brelade, here is one way to
incorporate
| > | > JAlbums
| > | > | into Publisher web pages. First create a subfolder on your site (I
| > used
| > | > | "Album" at the root), and upload the html output from JAlbum into
| > that
| > | > | subfolder. Then you can insert the following code snippet into
your
| > | > | Publisher page:
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > | <IFRAME src=http://www.yourdomain.com/Album/"
| > | > | width="700" height="600" hspace="0" vspace="0"
| > | > | frameborder="0" scrolling="auto"></IFRAME>
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > | Make your code fragment box the size you specify in the code
| > | > fragment...in
| > | > | this case 700x600, and you can change the size of the iframe
| > depending
| > | > on
| > | > | what you want to see, by changing those dimensions in the code
| > fragment.
| > | > |
| > | > | I also have found in the past that some browsers have chocked when
I
| > | > tried
| > | > | to import anything into a Publisher web page, so I also add
another
| > code
| > | > | snippet right above the iframe code snippet:
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > | <p><font face="Arial" size="3">
| > | > | <a href="http://www.yourdomain.com/Album/"
| > | > | onclick="NewWindow(this.href,'name','700','600','yes');return
| > | > false">Click
| > | > | Here - Your Photo Album</a> - If the photo album does not load
| > properly
| > | > | below, or you prefer to view the album in a new browser window. A
| > new
| > | > window
| > | > | will open. Close when finished.<br>
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > | This I believe is an alternative to consider by itself, if Brelade
| > wants
| > | > the
| > | > | album to open in a new window, and was my attempt at giving the
| > viewer
| > a
| > | > | "fail safe" option, in case the album didn't import and display
| > properly
| > | > in
| > | > | the Publisher page.
| > | > |
| > | > | Brelade, as I said, I am not a coder, so don't ask me how to fix
any
| > | > code
| > | > or
| > | > | troubleshoot why this doesn't work in your particular situation,
but
| > | > perhaps
| > | > | it will give you a starting point. And don't ask me to interpret
the
| > | > | instructions given you on the JAlbum link you provided. I believe
in
| > | > trial
| > | > | and terror as a learning process, so get in there and do some
| > trials;-)
| > | > |
| > | > | DavidF
| > | > |
| > | > message
| > | > | | > | > | > The only way to do this would be with frames, and Publisher
| > doesn't
| > | > | > support
| > | > | > frames (which are ugly anyway). JAlbum creates pages. Why not
make
| > | > JAlbums
| > | > | > pages match your existing page as much as possible then create a
| > link
| > | > to
| > | > | > the
| > | > | > first index page of JAlbum...thats how I usually do it (but not
| > with
| > | > | > Publisher - but it should work fine)
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > |I have down loaded JAlbum, and wish to insert in to my site.
| > | > | > | How do i insert JAlbum, but still keeping my page layout, i.e
| > Header
| > | > &
| > | > | > Nav
| > | > | > | bar.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | If JAlbum is the wrong type of photo gallery for this, can you
| > | > recommend
| > | > | > | another free programme, I just wish to insert it as a portion
of
| > the
| > | > | > page.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | Cheers
| > | > | > | --
| > | > | > | brelade
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
R
Rob Giordano \(Crash\)
ot;
nice lookin' dawgs.
I like the curly headed one.
| David.
| Many thanks for your comments, I do not take any offence, in fact it's
good
| to get feed back from others who are in the know.
|
| I agree i think i have fallen in to the lets put as much as i can on
there,
| but the matter of fact is, the site is for my wife, they are her dogs,
which
| she adores, and i am the one who sat down one weekend and though, you
know, i
| think i will have a go at putting a web site together, as i couldn't
afford
| some one to do if for me.
|
| I do view the discussions page regularly to see what's new, but i have had
| nothing but good reviews from visitors to my site, which has let me
further
| down the garden path.
|
| While i am posting a reply, question, when i resize my pictures, what
ratio
| is width to height, i.e, if i what to go smaller than 800px wide, what
would
| be the height ratio for that, and even smaller, say 600px wide or 400px
wide,
| you know what i mean.
|
| Please dont ignore my future request for may be a few small bells &
| whistles, but i do aggree that i need to look at my picture size.
|
| Cheers
|
| --
| brelade
|
|
| "DavidF" wrote:
|
| > In my opinion, one of the debatable "advantages" of using Publisher to
| > produce a website is it forces you to KISS (keep it simple stupid). And
in
| > my opinion, just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean you should.
I
| > would suggest that you follow MIchaeldean and Rob's example, and just
link
| > to your JAlbum from your Publisher page, and not try to insert it into a
| > page. Also take Mike's advice and at least download FF 2.0 and test your
| > site yourself.
| >
| > When I tried to load the page in IE6, it took forever, and then it
wanted to
| > install a newer version of the Adobe Flash Player. A lot of people are
going
| > to say no to that and the page doesn't work without it. I would suggest
that
| > you consider a different JAlbum that doesn't require flash to work. It
works
| > a bit better in FF, but the pictures are too large to fit on the screen,
and
| > you have overlapping design elements. If you load the JAlbum in its own
| > window, it works fine in FF.
| >
| > I try to remain non-judgmental in this group, and if someone wants to
know
| > how to do something, I tell them if I know. However, you have worked so
hard
| > on your site, and invested so much time, and show so much creativity,
and
| > though I don't want to offend you, I think you are falling into the trap
of
| > trying to do too much with your site. Too many bells and whistles,
special
| > effects, wham bam and fluff and it distracts from the main subject...the
| > dogs. I think I have said before that your pages are too wide to begin
with.
| > In my opinion, they should not be wider than 800 pixels at the most. And
now
| > you are inserting an iframe that is also too large, and images that are
also
| > probably too large for a person with a dial-up connection or a small
screen.
| >
| > I would suggest that you take a step back and ask yourself, what is the
goal
| > of your site? Then ask yourself is it to promote the dogs, or to show
people
| > all the things you can do with a website? Then study your pages and ask
| > yourself, if the viewer had a slow dial-up modem, was technologically
| > challenged or inexperienced, how would that person like and get around
in my
| > website? What if they were viewing your site on a small screen...a small
| > laptop...that makes them scroll in order to see the full width of your
page?
| > Ask yourself when you get ready to add yet another animated gif, or add
| > another dynamic feature, does it contribute and further the goal of
| > promoting the dogs and make it easier for people to find and view your
| > content, or does it just distract people from that goal and take a long
time
| > to load? Ask yourself if you want the focus to be on the dogs, or all
the
| > web design tricks?
| >
| > Don't feel like the lone ranger. I think this is a common problem among
new
| > web designers, and even expert web designers. I recently was asked to
| > comment on a website for a fancy restaurant. It was designed by an
expert
| > who used some advanced design techniques and specialized web software.
It
| > had a cool factor, but I thought it sucked. I couldn't figure out how to
| > navigate and I really didn't think it was effective at all. It certainly
| > didn't leave me wanting to go the restaurant. I heard later that the
| > designer admitted that he was going for style over substance.
| >
| > When I first started lurking in this newsgroup, every time I learned a
new
| > web design trick that was cool, or had the wow factor, I added it to my
| > site. Then someone suggested that I needed to KISS, that all the bells
and
| > whistles I had added were just a distraction, and got in the way of them
| > finding the content they wanted. They sent me to this link:
| > http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com/ My feeling were hurt, my ego stomped
on,
| > but when I got over that, I started reading about good web design
| > principles, and I stepped back and redesigned my site. I stripped out
| > everything that did not further my goal. I am even now removing the
"cool"
| > javascript menu I have on my main section pages, and replacing it with a
| > fairly simple, textual menu with absolute links. Not so cool, but easier
for
| > the average person to use, and easier for the search engine webbots to
| > spider. I should have done this a long time ago, but I was too enamored
with
| > the cool javascript.
| >
| > This is probably a whole lot more than you wanted to hear, but like I
said,
| > I really respect the amount of time and energy you have invested in your
| > site, and I will risk possibly insulting you by offering this feedback.
I
| > would suggest that you forget about using the iframes, and just link to
your
| > JAlbums and let them open in a new window. For what its worth, I decided
to
| > back off the whole JAlbum approach, and to KISS, I now use Porta:
| > http://www.stegmann.dk/mikkel/porta/ or even more KISS just load the
images
| > onto my Publisher pages.
| >
| > Bottom line is Content Is King....and KISS. Your dogs should be the
focus of
| > your site...
| >
| > Just by 4 cents worth...I'll get off my soapbox now ;-)
| >
| > DavidF
| >
| > | > > The link above is the wrong link at the moment.
| > > http://www.breladecockerspaniels.co.uk/index_files/Page3116.htm
| > > --
| > > brelade
| > >
| > >
| > > "brelade" wrote:
| > >
| > >> Taken a while but i think i am all sorted, with the JAlbum.
| > >> http://www.breladecockerspaniels.co.uk/index_files/photo_gallery.htm
| > >>
| > >> I have IE7, but it looks good, i will probably change the skin, but
it's
| > >> 0400 here in the UK, so it will have to wait till tommorrow.
| > >>
| > >> Is it possible to let me know if there is any probs with my page, as
i
| > >> said
| > >> i can only view in IE.
| > >>
| > >> Cheers for all your help, yet again.
| > >> Thanks
| > >> --
| > >> brelade
| > >>
| > >>
| > >> "DavidF" wrote:
| > >>
| > >> > Try it yourself. Just create a blank web page with Publisher,
insert
| > >> > the
| > >> > code snippet and upload it to a test folder on your site. It will
be a
| > >> > good
| > >> > exercise, and remind you why its better to produce your site with
| > >> > FrontPage.;-)
| > >> >
| > >> > Or are you going to migrate to Expression? What do you think of
| > >> > Expression?
| > >> > I took a peek at SharePoint but couldn't get hold of a copy of
| > >> > Expression
| > >> > during the Publisher beta.
| > >> >
| > >> > DavidF
| > >> >
| > >> > message
| > >> > | > >> > > Didja publish it? I'd like to see the results if ya did.
| > >> > >
| > >> > >
| > >> > >
| > >> > >
| > >> > > | > >> > > | It does in at least three cases on my site...knock on wood ;-)
I
| > >> > > have
| > >> > > tested
| > >> > > | it in Pub 2000 and 2003 so far...
| > >> > > |
| > >> > > | DavidF
| > >> > > |
in
| > >> > > message
| > >> > > | | > >> > > | > I'd be interested to see if it works!
| > >> > > | >
| > >> > > | >
| > >> > > | >
| > >> > > | > | > >> > > | > | Rob,
| > >> > > | > |
| > >> > > | > | Actually I have recently discovered that the statement
| > >> > > "Publisher
| > >> > > | > doesn't
| > >> > > | > | support frames" to not be totally true, though I have typed
the
| > >> > > same
| > >> > > | > thing
| > >> > > | > | many times on this group. After following the thread with
you
| > >> > > and
| > >> > > Mike
| > >> > > | > and
| > >> > > | > | the poster that had converted his whole Publisher web site
to
| > >> > > frames,
| > >> > > I
| > >> > > | > have
| > >> > > | > | found another exception to the rule.
| > >> > > | > |
| > >> > > | > | You are correct that there is no built-in support for
frames.
| > >> > > You
| > >> > > are
| > >> > > | > also
| > >> > > | > | correct that there are problems when web hosts frame
Publisher
| > >> > > websites,
| > >> > > | > | especially if the sites use the wizard built menus with
| > >> > > relative
| > >> > > | > | links...they don't work. However, you can use iframes in a
| > >> > > Publisher
| > >> > > web
| > >> > > | > | page by inserting the "proper" code into the page via the
| > >> > > insert
| > >> > > html
| > >> > > | > code
| > >> > > | > | fragment tool. I say "proper" cuz I don't pretend to
understand
| > >> > > the
| > >> > > | > "proper"
| > >> > > | > | way to write that code (or any code for that matter), but
have
| > >> > > had
| > >> > > some
| > >> > > | > | success with my testing. I also think you are correct in
| > >> > > suggesting
| > >> > > that
| > >> > > | > the
| > >> > > | > | best way is to link from your web page to the JAlbum, to
insure
| > >> > > the
| > >> > > | > chance
| > >> > > | > | of actually getting the album to load. And I am certainly
not
| > >> > > | > knowledgeable
| > >> > > | > | enough to debate the use or the aesthetics of using frames
or
| > >> > > iframes...
| > >> > > | > |
| > >> > > | > | However, for the benefit of Brelade, here is one way to
| > >> > > incorporate
| > >> > > | > JAlbums
| > >> > > | > | into Publisher web pages. First create a subfolder on your
site
| > >> > > (I
| > >> > > used
| > >> > > | > | "Album" at the root), and upload the html output from
JAlbum
| > >> > > into
| > >> > > that
| > >> > > | > | subfolder. Then you can insert the following code snippet
into
| > >> > > your
| > >> > > | > | Publisher page:
| > >> > > | > |
| > >> > > | > |
| > >> > > | > | <IFRAME src=http://www.yourdomain.com/Album/"
| > >> > > | > | width="700" height="600" hspace="0" vspace="0"
| > >> > > | > | frameborder="0" scrolling="auto"></IFRAME>
| > >> > > | > |
| > >> > > | > |
| > >> > > | > | Make your code fragment box the size you specify in the
code
| > >> > > | > fragment...in
| > >> > > | > | this case 700x600, and you can change the size of the
iframe
| > >> > > depending
| > >> > > | > on
| > >> > > | > | what you want to see, by changing those dimensions in the
code
| > >> > > fragment.
| > >> > > | > |
| > >> > > | > | I also have found in the past that some browsers have
chocked
| > >> > > when I
| > >> > > | > tried
| > >> > > | > | to import anything into a Publisher web page, so I also add
| > >> > > another
| > >> > > code
| > >> > > | > | snippet right above the iframe code snippet:
| > >> > > | > |
| > >> > > | > |
| > >> > > | > | <p><font face="Arial" size="3">
| > >> > > | > | <a href="http://www.yourdomain.com/Album/"
| > >> > > | > |
onclick="NewWindow(this.href,'name','700','600','yes');return
| > >> > > | > false">Click
| > >> > > | > | Here - Your Photo Album</a> - If the photo album does not
load
| > >> > > properly
| > >> > > | > | below, or you prefer to view the album in a new browser
window.
| > >> > > A
| > >> > > new
| > >> > > | > window
| > >> > > | > | will open. Close when finished.<br>
| > >> > > | > |
| > >> > > | > |
| > >> > > | > | This I believe is an alternative to consider by itself, if
| > >> > > Brelade
| > >> > > wants
| > >> > > | > the
| > >> > > | > | album to open in a new window, and was my attempt at giving
the
| > >> > > viewer
| > >> > > a
| > >> > > | > | "fail safe" option, in case the album didn't import and
display
| > >> > > properly
| > >> > > | > in
| > >> > > | > | the Publisher page.
| > >> > > | > |
| > >> > > | > | Brelade, as I said, I am not a coder, so don't ask me how
to
| > >> > > fix any
| > >> > > | > code
| > >> > > | > or
| > >> > > | > | troubleshoot why this doesn't work in your particular
| > >> > > situation, but
| > >> > > | > perhaps
| > >> > > | > | it will give you a starting point. And don't ask me to
| > >> > > interpret the
| > >> > > | > | instructions given you on the JAlbum link you provided. I
| > >> > > believe in
| > >> > > | > trial
| > >> > > | > | and terror as a learning process, so get in there and do
some
| > >> > > trials;-)
| > >> > > | > |
| > >> > > | > | DavidF
| > >> > > | > |
| > >> > > | > | "Rob Giordano (Crash)" <[email protected]>
wrote
| > >> > > in
| > >> > > | > message
| > >> > > | > | | > >> > > | > | > The only way to do this would be with frames, and
Publisher
| > >> > > doesn't
| > >> > > | > | > support
| > >> > > | > | > frames (which are ugly anyway). JAlbum creates pages. Why
not
| > >> > > make
| > >> > > | > JAlbums
| > >> > > | > | > pages match your existing page as much as possible then
| > >> > > create a
| > >> > > link
| > >> > > | > to
| > >> > > | > | > the
| > >> > > | > | > first index page of JAlbum...thats how I usually do it
(but
| > >> > > not
| > >> > > with
| > >> > > | > | > Publisher - but it should work fine)
| > >> > > | > | >
| > >> > > | > | >
nice lookin' dawgs.
I like the curly headed one.
| David.
| Many thanks for your comments, I do not take any offence, in fact it's
good
| to get feed back from others who are in the know.
|
| I agree i think i have fallen in to the lets put as much as i can on
there,
| but the matter of fact is, the site is for my wife, they are her dogs,
which
| she adores, and i am the one who sat down one weekend and though, you
know, i
| think i will have a go at putting a web site together, as i couldn't
afford
| some one to do if for me.
|
| I do view the discussions page regularly to see what's new, but i have had
| nothing but good reviews from visitors to my site, which has let me
further
| down the garden path.
|
| While i am posting a reply, question, when i resize my pictures, what
ratio
| is width to height, i.e, if i what to go smaller than 800px wide, what
would
| be the height ratio for that, and even smaller, say 600px wide or 400px
wide,
| you know what i mean.
|
| Please dont ignore my future request for may be a few small bells &
| whistles, but i do aggree that i need to look at my picture size.
|
| Cheers
|
| --
| brelade
|
|
| "DavidF" wrote:
|
| > In my opinion, one of the debatable "advantages" of using Publisher to
| > produce a website is it forces you to KISS (keep it simple stupid). And
in
| > my opinion, just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean you should.
I
| > would suggest that you follow MIchaeldean and Rob's example, and just
link
| > to your JAlbum from your Publisher page, and not try to insert it into a
| > page. Also take Mike's advice and at least download FF 2.0 and test your
| > site yourself.
| >
| > When I tried to load the page in IE6, it took forever, and then it
wanted to
| > install a newer version of the Adobe Flash Player. A lot of people are
going
| > to say no to that and the page doesn't work without it. I would suggest
that
| > you consider a different JAlbum that doesn't require flash to work. It
works
| > a bit better in FF, but the pictures are too large to fit on the screen,
and
| > you have overlapping design elements. If you load the JAlbum in its own
| > window, it works fine in FF.
| >
| > I try to remain non-judgmental in this group, and if someone wants to
know
| > how to do something, I tell them if I know. However, you have worked so
hard
| > on your site, and invested so much time, and show so much creativity,
and
| > though I don't want to offend you, I think you are falling into the trap
of
| > trying to do too much with your site. Too many bells and whistles,
special
| > effects, wham bam and fluff and it distracts from the main subject...the
| > dogs. I think I have said before that your pages are too wide to begin
with.
| > In my opinion, they should not be wider than 800 pixels at the most. And
now
| > you are inserting an iframe that is also too large, and images that are
also
| > probably too large for a person with a dial-up connection or a small
screen.
| >
| > I would suggest that you take a step back and ask yourself, what is the
goal
| > of your site? Then ask yourself is it to promote the dogs, or to show
people
| > all the things you can do with a website? Then study your pages and ask
| > yourself, if the viewer had a slow dial-up modem, was technologically
| > challenged or inexperienced, how would that person like and get around
in my
| > website? What if they were viewing your site on a small screen...a small
| > laptop...that makes them scroll in order to see the full width of your
page?
| > Ask yourself when you get ready to add yet another animated gif, or add
| > another dynamic feature, does it contribute and further the goal of
| > promoting the dogs and make it easier for people to find and view your
| > content, or does it just distract people from that goal and take a long
time
| > to load? Ask yourself if you want the focus to be on the dogs, or all
the
| > web design tricks?
| >
| > Don't feel like the lone ranger. I think this is a common problem among
new
| > web designers, and even expert web designers. I recently was asked to
| > comment on a website for a fancy restaurant. It was designed by an
expert
| > who used some advanced design techniques and specialized web software.
It
| > had a cool factor, but I thought it sucked. I couldn't figure out how to
| > navigate and I really didn't think it was effective at all. It certainly
| > didn't leave me wanting to go the restaurant. I heard later that the
| > designer admitted that he was going for style over substance.
| >
| > When I first started lurking in this newsgroup, every time I learned a
new
| > web design trick that was cool, or had the wow factor, I added it to my
| > site. Then someone suggested that I needed to KISS, that all the bells
and
| > whistles I had added were just a distraction, and got in the way of them
| > finding the content they wanted. They sent me to this link:
| > http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com/ My feeling were hurt, my ego stomped
on,
| > but when I got over that, I started reading about good web design
| > principles, and I stepped back and redesigned my site. I stripped out
| > everything that did not further my goal. I am even now removing the
"cool"
| > javascript menu I have on my main section pages, and replacing it with a
| > fairly simple, textual menu with absolute links. Not so cool, but easier
for
| > the average person to use, and easier for the search engine webbots to
| > spider. I should have done this a long time ago, but I was too enamored
with
| > the cool javascript.
| >
| > This is probably a whole lot more than you wanted to hear, but like I
said,
| > I really respect the amount of time and energy you have invested in your
| > site, and I will risk possibly insulting you by offering this feedback.
I
| > would suggest that you forget about using the iframes, and just link to
your
| > JAlbums and let them open in a new window. For what its worth, I decided
to
| > back off the whole JAlbum approach, and to KISS, I now use Porta:
| > http://www.stegmann.dk/mikkel/porta/ or even more KISS just load the
images
| > onto my Publisher pages.
| >
| > Bottom line is Content Is King....and KISS. Your dogs should be the
focus of
| > your site...
| >
| > Just by 4 cents worth...I'll get off my soapbox now ;-)
| >
| > DavidF
| >
| > | > > The link above is the wrong link at the moment.
| > > http://www.breladecockerspaniels.co.uk/index_files/Page3116.htm
| > > --
| > > brelade
| > >
| > >
| > > "brelade" wrote:
| > >
| > >> Taken a while but i think i am all sorted, with the JAlbum.
| > >> http://www.breladecockerspaniels.co.uk/index_files/photo_gallery.htm
| > >>
| > >> I have IE7, but it looks good, i will probably change the skin, but
it's
| > >> 0400 here in the UK, so it will have to wait till tommorrow.
| > >>
| > >> Is it possible to let me know if there is any probs with my page, as
i
| > >> said
| > >> i can only view in IE.
| > >>
| > >> Cheers for all your help, yet again.
| > >> Thanks
| > >> --
| > >> brelade
| > >>
| > >>
| > >> "DavidF" wrote:
| > >>
| > >> > Try it yourself. Just create a blank web page with Publisher,
insert
| > >> > the
| > >> > code snippet and upload it to a test folder on your site. It will
be a
| > >> > good
| > >> > exercise, and remind you why its better to produce your site with
| > >> > FrontPage.;-)
| > >> >
| > >> > Or are you going to migrate to Expression? What do you think of
| > >> > Expression?
| > >> > I took a peek at SharePoint but couldn't get hold of a copy of
| > >> > Expression
| > >> > during the Publisher beta.
| > >> >
| > >> > DavidF
| > >> >
| > >> > message
| > >> > | > >> > > Didja publish it? I'd like to see the results if ya did.
| > >> > >
| > >> > >
| > >> > >
| > >> > >
| > >> > > | > >> > > | It does in at least three cases on my site...knock on wood ;-)
I
| > >> > > have
| > >> > > tested
| > >> > > | it in Pub 2000 and 2003 so far...
| > >> > > |
| > >> > > | DavidF
| > >> > > |
in
| > >> > > message
| > >> > > | | > >> > > | > I'd be interested to see if it works!
| > >> > > | >
| > >> > > | >
| > >> > > | >
| > >> > > | > | > >> > > | > | Rob,
| > >> > > | > |
| > >> > > | > | Actually I have recently discovered that the statement
| > >> > > "Publisher
| > >> > > | > doesn't
| > >> > > | > | support frames" to not be totally true, though I have typed
the
| > >> > > same
| > >> > > | > thing
| > >> > > | > | many times on this group. After following the thread with
you
| > >> > > and
| > >> > > Mike
| > >> > > | > and
| > >> > > | > | the poster that had converted his whole Publisher web site
to
| > >> > > frames,
| > >> > > I
| > >> > > | > have
| > >> > > | > | found another exception to the rule.
| > >> > > | > |
| > >> > > | > | You are correct that there is no built-in support for
frames.
| > >> > > You
| > >> > > are
| > >> > > | > also
| > >> > > | > | correct that there are problems when web hosts frame
Publisher
| > >> > > websites,
| > >> > > | > | especially if the sites use the wizard built menus with
| > >> > > relative
| > >> > > | > | links...they don't work. However, you can use iframes in a
| > >> > > Publisher
| > >> > > web
| > >> > > | > | page by inserting the "proper" code into the page via the
| > >> > > insert
| > >> > > html
| > >> > > | > code
| > >> > > | > | fragment tool. I say "proper" cuz I don't pretend to
understand
| > >> > > the
| > >> > > | > "proper"
| > >> > > | > | way to write that code (or any code for that matter), but
have
| > >> > > had
| > >> > > some
| > >> > > | > | success with my testing. I also think you are correct in
| > >> > > suggesting
| > >> > > that
| > >> > > | > the
| > >> > > | > | best way is to link from your web page to the JAlbum, to
insure
| > >> > > the
| > >> > > | > chance
| > >> > > | > | of actually getting the album to load. And I am certainly
not
| > >> > > | > knowledgeable
| > >> > > | > | enough to debate the use or the aesthetics of using frames
or
| > >> > > iframes...
| > >> > > | > |
| > >> > > | > | However, for the benefit of Brelade, here is one way to
| > >> > > incorporate
| > >> > > | > JAlbums
| > >> > > | > | into Publisher web pages. First create a subfolder on your
site
| > >> > > (I
| > >> > > used
| > >> > > | > | "Album" at the root), and upload the html output from
JAlbum
| > >> > > into
| > >> > > that
| > >> > > | > | subfolder. Then you can insert the following code snippet
into
| > >> > > your
| > >> > > | > | Publisher page:
| > >> > > | > |
| > >> > > | > |
| > >> > > | > | <IFRAME src=http://www.yourdomain.com/Album/"
| > >> > > | > | width="700" height="600" hspace="0" vspace="0"
| > >> > > | > | frameborder="0" scrolling="auto"></IFRAME>
| > >> > > | > |
| > >> > > | > |
| > >> > > | > | Make your code fragment box the size you specify in the
code
| > >> > > | > fragment...in
| > >> > > | > | this case 700x600, and you can change the size of the
iframe
| > >> > > depending
| > >> > > | > on
| > >> > > | > | what you want to see, by changing those dimensions in the
code
| > >> > > fragment.
| > >> > > | > |
| > >> > > | > | I also have found in the past that some browsers have
chocked
| > >> > > when I
| > >> > > | > tried
| > >> > > | > | to import anything into a Publisher web page, so I also add
| > >> > > another
| > >> > > code
| > >> > > | > | snippet right above the iframe code snippet:
| > >> > > | > |
| > >> > > | > |
| > >> > > | > | <p><font face="Arial" size="3">
| > >> > > | > | <a href="http://www.yourdomain.com/Album/"
| > >> > > | > |
onclick="NewWindow(this.href,'name','700','600','yes');return
| > >> > > | > false">Click
| > >> > > | > | Here - Your Photo Album</a> - If the photo album does not
load
| > >> > > properly
| > >> > > | > | below, or you prefer to view the album in a new browser
window.
| > >> > > A
| > >> > > new
| > >> > > | > window
| > >> > > | > | will open. Close when finished.<br>
| > >> > > | > |
| > >> > > | > |
| > >> > > | > | This I believe is an alternative to consider by itself, if
| > >> > > Brelade
| > >> > > wants
| > >> > > | > the
| > >> > > | > | album to open in a new window, and was my attempt at giving
the
| > >> > > viewer
| > >> > > a
| > >> > > | > | "fail safe" option, in case the album didn't import and
display
| > >> > > properly
| > >> > > | > in
| > >> > > | > | the Publisher page.
| > >> > > | > |
| > >> > > | > | Brelade, as I said, I am not a coder, so don't ask me how
to
| > >> > > fix any
| > >> > > | > code
| > >> > > | > or
| > >> > > | > | troubleshoot why this doesn't work in your particular
| > >> > > situation, but
| > >> > > | > perhaps
| > >> > > | > | it will give you a starting point. And don't ask me to
| > >> > > interpret the
| > >> > > | > | instructions given you on the JAlbum link you provided. I
| > >> > > believe in
| > >> > > | > trial
| > >> > > | > | and terror as a learning process, so get in there and do
some
| > >> > > trials;-)
| > >> > > | > |
| > >> > > | > | DavidF
| > >> > > | > |
| > >> > > | > | "Rob Giordano (Crash)" <[email protected]>
wrote
| > >> > > in
| > >> > > | > message
| > >> > > | > | | > >> > > | > | > The only way to do this would be with frames, and
Publisher
| > >> > > doesn't
| > >> > > | > | > support
| > >> > > | > | > frames (which are ugly anyway). JAlbum creates pages. Why
not
| > >> > > make
| > >> > > | > JAlbums
| > >> > > | > | > pages match your existing page as much as possible then
| > >> > > create a
| > >> > > link
| > >> > > | > to
| > >> > > | > | > the
| > >> > > | > | > first index page of JAlbum...thats how I usually do it
(but
| > >> > > not
| > >> > > with
| > >> > > | > | > Publisher - but it should work fine)
| > >> > > | > | >
| > >> > > | > | >
M
Mike Koewler
David,
This page: http://anzz.co.uk/page15.html was done in WebPlus. Check out
the albums. The pages use an i-frame to hold JAlbum so the designer
could keep her banner on the page.
I would think this would work fine in Pub also, though one would need to
create the code for the i-frame.
Mike
This page: http://anzz.co.uk/page15.html was done in WebPlus. Check out
the albums. The pages use an i-frame to hold JAlbum so the designer
could keep her banner on the page.
I would think this would work fine in Pub also, though one would need to
create the code for the i-frame.
Mike
B
brelade
Mike.
I have managed to insert a similar page on my site, with iframe & JAlbum
http://www.breladecockerspaniels.co.uk/index_files/Page3116.htm
I have managed to insert a similar page on my site, with iframe & JAlbum
http://www.breladecockerspaniels.co.uk/index_files/Page3116.htm
D
DavidF
Looks good! I think one of the best things about JAlbum are all the
different choices in skins. And yes, I have had some luck using the JAlbum,
but also like the Porta albums. Both work with the iframe in a Pub doc.
DavidF
different choices in skins. And yes, I have had some luck using the JAlbum,
but also like the Porta albums. Both work with the iframe in a Pub doc.
DavidF
D
DavidF
Hey, good job...I think the new images sizes is a real improvement. They are
plenty big to see details, and they load pretty quickly on my dial-up. Nice
balance between form and function. I like it better than the first one.
DavidF
plenty big to see details, and they load pretty quickly on my dial-up. Nice
balance between form and function. I like it better than the first one.
DavidF
B
brelade
Cheers David for your kind remarks.
I my of missed it, but do you link to your site.
Cheers
I my of missed it, but do you link to your site.
Cheers
R
Rob Giordano \(Crash\)
Very cool looks good.
The problem you're gonna run into with visitor is that they may end up here:
http://www.breladecockerspaniels.co.uk/album/album/index.html with no way
home and the same thing if they book mark your page.
| Mike.
| I have managed to insert a similar page on my site, with iframe & JAlbum
| http://www.breladecockerspaniels.co.uk/index_files/Page3116.htm
| --
| brelade
|
|
| "Mike Koewler" wrote:
|
| > David,
| >
| > This page: http://anzz.co.uk/page15.html was done in WebPlus. Check out
| > the albums. The pages use an i-frame to hold JAlbum so the designer
| > could keep her banner on the page.
| >
| > I would think this would work fine in Pub also, though one would need to
| > create the code for the i-frame.
| >
| > Mike
| >
| > DavidF wrote:
| > > Try it yourself. Just create a blank web page with Publisher, insert
the
| > > code snippet and upload it to a test folder on your site. It will be a
good
| > > exercise, and remind you why its better to produce your site with
| > > FrontPage.;-)
| > >
| > > Or are you going to migrate to Expression? What do you think of
Expression?
| > > I took a peek at SharePoint but couldn't get hold of a copy of
Expression
| > > during the Publisher beta.
| > >
| > > DavidF
| > >
message
| > > | > >> Didja publish it? I'd like to see the results if ya did.
| > >>
| > >>
| > >>
| > >>
| > >> | > >> | It does in at least three cases on my site...knock on wood ;-) I
have
| > >> tested
| > >> | it in Pub 2000 and 2003 so far...
| > >> |
| > >> | DavidF
| > >> |
| > >> message
| > >> | | > >> | > I'd be interested to see if it works!
| > >> | >
| > >> | >
| > >> | >
| > >> | > | > >> | > | Rob,
| > >> | > |
| > >> | > | Actually I have recently discovered that the statement
"Publisher
| > >> | > doesn't
| > >> | > | support frames" to not be totally true, though I have typed the
same
| > >> | > thing
| > >> | > | many times on this group. After following the thread with you
and
| > >> Mike
| > >> | > and
| > >> | > | the poster that had converted his whole Publisher web site to
| > >> frames,
| > >> I
| > >> | > have
| > >> | > | found another exception to the rule.
| > >> | > |
| > >> | > | You are correct that there is no built-in support for frames.
You
| > >> are
| > >> | > also
| > >> | > | correct that there are problems when web hosts frame Publisher
| > >> websites,
| > >> | > | especially if the sites use the wizard built menus with
relative
| > >> | > | links...they don't work. However, you can use iframes in a
Publisher
| > >> web
| > >> | > | page by inserting the "proper" code into the page via the
insert
| > >> html
| > >> | > code
| > >> | > | fragment tool. I say "proper" cuz I don't pretend to understand
the
| > >> | > "proper"
| > >> | > | way to write that code (or any code for that matter), but have
had
| > >> some
| > >> | > | success with my testing. I also think you are correct in
suggesting
| > >> that
| > >> | > the
| > >> | > | best way is to link from your web page to the JAlbum, to insure
the
| > >> | > chance
| > >> | > | of actually getting the album to load. And I am certainly not
| > >> | > knowledgeable
| > >> | > | enough to debate the use or the aesthetics of using frames or
| > >> iframes...
| > >> | > |
| > >> | > | However, for the benefit of Brelade, here is one way to
incorporate
| > >> | > JAlbums
| > >> | > | into Publisher web pages. First create a subfolder on your site
(I
| > >> used
| > >> | > | "Album" at the root), and upload the html output from JAlbum
into
| > >> that
| > >> | > | subfolder. Then you can insert the following code snippet into
your
| > >> | > | Publisher page:
| > >> | > |
| > >> | > |
| > >> | > | <IFRAME src=http://www.yourdomain.com/Album/"
| > >> | > | width="700" height="600" hspace="0" vspace="0"
| > >> | > | frameborder="0" scrolling="auto"></IFRAME>
| > >> | > |
| > >> | > |
| > >> | > | Make your code fragment box the size you specify in the code
| > >> | > fragment...in
| > >> | > | this case 700x600, and you can change the size of the iframe
| > >> depending
| > >> | > on
| > >> | > | what you want to see, by changing those dimensions in the code
| > >> fragment.
| > >> | > |
| > >> | > | I also have found in the past that some browsers have chocked
when I
| > >> | > tried
| > >> | > | to import anything into a Publisher web page, so I also add
another
| > >> code
| > >> | > | snippet right above the iframe code snippet:
| > >> | > |
| > >> | > |
| > >> | > | <p><font face="Arial" size="3">
| > >> | > | <a href="http://www.yourdomain.com/Album/"
| > >> | > | onclick="NewWindow(this.href,'name','700','600','yes');return
| > >> | > false">Click
| > >> | > | Here - Your Photo Album</a> - If the photo album does not load
| > >> properly
| > >> | > | below, or you prefer to view the album in a new browser window.
A
| > >> new
| > >> | > window
| > >> | > | will open. Close when finished.<br>
| > >> | > |
| > >> | > |
| > >> | > | This I believe is an alternative to consider by itself, if
Brelade
| > >> wants
| > >> | > the
| > >> | > | album to open in a new window, and was my attempt at giving the
| > >> viewer
| > >> a
| > >> | > | "fail safe" option, in case the album didn't import and display
| > >> properly
| > >> | > in
| > >> | > | the Publisher page.
| > >> | > |
| > >> | > | Brelade, as I said, I am not a coder, so don't ask me how to
fix any
| > >> | > code
| > >> | > or
| > >> | > | troubleshoot why this doesn't work in your particular
situation, but
| > >> | > perhaps
| > >> | > | it will give you a starting point. And don't ask me to
interpret the
| > >> | > | instructions given you on the JAlbum link you provided. I
believe in
| > >> | > trial
| > >> | > | and terror as a learning process, so get in there and do some
| > >> trials;-)
| > >> | > |
| > >> | > | DavidF
| > >> | > |
in
| > >> | > message
| > >> | > | | > >> | > | > The only way to do this would be with frames, and Publisher
| > >> doesn't
| > >> | > | > support
| > >> | > | > frames (which are ugly anyway). JAlbum creates pages. Why not
make
| > >> | > JAlbums
| > >> | > | > pages match your existing page as much as possible then
create a
| > >> link
| > >> | > to
| > >> | > | > the
| > >> | > | > first index page of JAlbum...thats how I usually do it (but
not
| > >> with
| > >> | > | > Publisher - but it should work fine)
| > >> | > | >
| > >> | > | >
message
| > >> | > | > | > >> | > | > |I have down loaded JAlbum, and wish to insert in to my site.
| > >> | > | > | How do i insert JAlbum, but still keeping my page layout,
i.e
| > >> Header
| > >> | > &
| > >> | > | > Nav
| > >> | > | > | bar.
| > >> | > | > |
| > >> | > | > | If JAlbum is the wrong type of photo gallery for this, can
you
| > >> | > recommend
| > >> | > | > | another free programme, I just wish to insert it as a
portion of
| > >> the
| > >> | > | > page.
| > >> | > | > |
| > >> | > | > | Cheers
| > >> | > | > | --
| > >> | > | > | brelade
| > >> | > | >
| > >> | > | >
| > >> | > |
| > >> | > |
| > >> | >
| > >> | >
| > >> |
| > >> |
| > >>
| > >>
| > >
| > >
| >
The problem you're gonna run into with visitor is that they may end up here:
http://www.breladecockerspaniels.co.uk/album/album/index.html with no way
home and the same thing if they book mark your page.
| Mike.
| I have managed to insert a similar page on my site, with iframe & JAlbum
| http://www.breladecockerspaniels.co.uk/index_files/Page3116.htm
| --
| brelade
|
|
| "Mike Koewler" wrote:
|
| > David,
| >
| > This page: http://anzz.co.uk/page15.html was done in WebPlus. Check out
| > the albums. The pages use an i-frame to hold JAlbum so the designer
| > could keep her banner on the page.
| >
| > I would think this would work fine in Pub also, though one would need to
| > create the code for the i-frame.
| >
| > Mike
| >
| > DavidF wrote:
| > > Try it yourself. Just create a blank web page with Publisher, insert
the
| > > code snippet and upload it to a test folder on your site. It will be a
good
| > > exercise, and remind you why its better to produce your site with
| > > FrontPage.;-)
| > >
| > > Or are you going to migrate to Expression? What do you think of
Expression?
| > > I took a peek at SharePoint but couldn't get hold of a copy of
Expression
| > > during the Publisher beta.
| > >
| > > DavidF
| > >
message
| > > | > >> Didja publish it? I'd like to see the results if ya did.
| > >>
| > >>
| > >>
| > >>
| > >> | > >> | It does in at least three cases on my site...knock on wood ;-) I
have
| > >> tested
| > >> | it in Pub 2000 and 2003 so far...
| > >> |
| > >> | DavidF
| > >> |
| > >> message
| > >> | | > >> | > I'd be interested to see if it works!
| > >> | >
| > >> | >
| > >> | >
| > >> | > | > >> | > | Rob,
| > >> | > |
| > >> | > | Actually I have recently discovered that the statement
"Publisher
| > >> | > doesn't
| > >> | > | support frames" to not be totally true, though I have typed the
same
| > >> | > thing
| > >> | > | many times on this group. After following the thread with you
and
| > >> Mike
| > >> | > and
| > >> | > | the poster that had converted his whole Publisher web site to
| > >> frames,
| > >> I
| > >> | > have
| > >> | > | found another exception to the rule.
| > >> | > |
| > >> | > | You are correct that there is no built-in support for frames.
You
| > >> are
| > >> | > also
| > >> | > | correct that there are problems when web hosts frame Publisher
| > >> websites,
| > >> | > | especially if the sites use the wizard built menus with
relative
| > >> | > | links...they don't work. However, you can use iframes in a
Publisher
| > >> web
| > >> | > | page by inserting the "proper" code into the page via the
insert
| > >> html
| > >> | > code
| > >> | > | fragment tool. I say "proper" cuz I don't pretend to understand
the
| > >> | > "proper"
| > >> | > | way to write that code (or any code for that matter), but have
had
| > >> some
| > >> | > | success with my testing. I also think you are correct in
suggesting
| > >> that
| > >> | > the
| > >> | > | best way is to link from your web page to the JAlbum, to insure
the
| > >> | > chance
| > >> | > | of actually getting the album to load. And I am certainly not
| > >> | > knowledgeable
| > >> | > | enough to debate the use or the aesthetics of using frames or
| > >> iframes...
| > >> | > |
| > >> | > | However, for the benefit of Brelade, here is one way to
incorporate
| > >> | > JAlbums
| > >> | > | into Publisher web pages. First create a subfolder on your site
(I
| > >> used
| > >> | > | "Album" at the root), and upload the html output from JAlbum
into
| > >> that
| > >> | > | subfolder. Then you can insert the following code snippet into
your
| > >> | > | Publisher page:
| > >> | > |
| > >> | > |
| > >> | > | <IFRAME src=http://www.yourdomain.com/Album/"
| > >> | > | width="700" height="600" hspace="0" vspace="0"
| > >> | > | frameborder="0" scrolling="auto"></IFRAME>
| > >> | > |
| > >> | > |
| > >> | > | Make your code fragment box the size you specify in the code
| > >> | > fragment...in
| > >> | > | this case 700x600, and you can change the size of the iframe
| > >> depending
| > >> | > on
| > >> | > | what you want to see, by changing those dimensions in the code
| > >> fragment.
| > >> | > |
| > >> | > | I also have found in the past that some browsers have chocked
when I
| > >> | > tried
| > >> | > | to import anything into a Publisher web page, so I also add
another
| > >> code
| > >> | > | snippet right above the iframe code snippet:
| > >> | > |
| > >> | > |
| > >> | > | <p><font face="Arial" size="3">
| > >> | > | <a href="http://www.yourdomain.com/Album/"
| > >> | > | onclick="NewWindow(this.href,'name','700','600','yes');return
| > >> | > false">Click
| > >> | > | Here - Your Photo Album</a> - If the photo album does not load
| > >> properly
| > >> | > | below, or you prefer to view the album in a new browser window.
A
| > >> new
| > >> | > window
| > >> | > | will open. Close when finished.<br>
| > >> | > |
| > >> | > |
| > >> | > | This I believe is an alternative to consider by itself, if
Brelade
| > >> wants
| > >> | > the
| > >> | > | album to open in a new window, and was my attempt at giving the
| > >> viewer
| > >> a
| > >> | > | "fail safe" option, in case the album didn't import and display
| > >> properly
| > >> | > in
| > >> | > | the Publisher page.
| > >> | > |
| > >> | > | Brelade, as I said, I am not a coder, so don't ask me how to
fix any
| > >> | > code
| > >> | > or
| > >> | > | troubleshoot why this doesn't work in your particular
situation, but
| > >> | > perhaps
| > >> | > | it will give you a starting point. And don't ask me to
interpret the
| > >> | > | instructions given you on the JAlbum link you provided. I
believe in
| > >> | > trial
| > >> | > | and terror as a learning process, so get in there and do some
| > >> trials;-)
| > >> | > |
| > >> | > | DavidF
| > >> | > |
in
| > >> | > message
| > >> | > | | > >> | > | > The only way to do this would be with frames, and Publisher
| > >> doesn't
| > >> | > | > support
| > >> | > | > frames (which are ugly anyway). JAlbum creates pages. Why not
make
| > >> | > JAlbums
| > >> | > | > pages match your existing page as much as possible then
create a
| > >> link
| > >> | > to
| > >> | > | > the
| > >> | > | > first index page of JAlbum...thats how I usually do it (but
not
| > >> with
| > >> | > | > Publisher - but it should work fine)
| > >> | > | >
| > >> | > | >
message
| > >> | > | > | > >> | > | > |I have down loaded JAlbum, and wish to insert in to my site.
| > >> | > | > | How do i insert JAlbum, but still keeping my page layout,
i.e
| > >> Header
| > >> | > &
| > >> | > | > Nav
| > >> | > | > | bar.
| > >> | > | > |
| > >> | > | > | If JAlbum is the wrong type of photo gallery for this, can
you
| > >> | > recommend
| > >> | > | > | another free programme, I just wish to insert it as a
portion of
| > >> the
| > >> | > | > page.
| > >> | > | > |
| > >> | > | > | Cheers
| > >> | > | > | --
| > >> | > | > | brelade
| > >> | > | >
| > >> | > | >
| > >> | > |
| > >> | > |
| > >> | >
| > >> | >
| > >> |
| > >> |
| > >>
| > >>
| > >
| > >
| >
B
brelade
Rob, I am a little unsure what you mean, i have added this page to my
favourites, and it comes up ok.
The only other problem i am having, is i took your suggestion, and have down
loaded firefox, when i view the site with this, all is ok, except, i do not
see my drop down menu's, they have moved to the rear of the page, and
slightly out of line, is this something i have to live with.
I am able to see what browsers my vistiors have, and 95% are using IE, with
only a few with firefox, how do i get a happy medium, between the two
browsers?
With IE, all my nav menu's appear at the top, so i am hopeing that they can
always nav to a new page.
Any further advice would be most welcome.
Cheers
favourites, and it comes up ok.
The only other problem i am having, is i took your suggestion, and have down
loaded firefox, when i view the site with this, all is ok, except, i do not
see my drop down menu's, they have moved to the rear of the page, and
slightly out of line, is this something i have to live with.
I am able to see what browsers my vistiors have, and 95% are using IE, with
only a few with firefox, how do i get a happy medium, between the two
browsers?
With IE, all my nav menu's appear at the top, so i am hopeing that they can
always nav to a new page.
Any further advice would be most welcome.
Cheers
R
Rob Giordano \(Crash\)
probably cause you're looking at cached page.
clear your cache and then click on the that link...you'll get only the
iframed page nothing else.
your menu is even out of place as I view it in IE7.
you'd need to mess with this
<div style='position:absolute;margin-left:9px;margin-top:9px;width:47px;
height:37px;z-index:1125'><script type='text/javascript'>
The z-index is what controls the layer it's on...the higher the number the
higher the layer so to speak...but absolute positioning can be a nightmare
if you don't fully understand it (i don't use it myself). By mucking with
other positioning numbers you may be able to get your menu to not overlap
other stuff.
be careful
| Rob, I am a little unsure what you mean, i have added this page to my
| favourites, and it comes up ok.
| The only other problem i am having, is i took your suggestion, and have
down
| loaded firefox, when i view the site with this, all is ok, except, i do
not
| see my drop down menu's, they have moved to the rear of the page, and
| slightly out of line, is this something i have to live with.
|
| I am able to see what browsers my vistiors have, and 95% are using IE,
with
| only a few with firefox, how do i get a happy medium, between the two
| browsers?
|
| With IE, all my nav menu's appear at the top, so i am hopeing that they
can
| always nav to a new page.
| Any further advice would be most welcome.
| Cheers
|
| --
| brelade
|
|
| "Rob Giordano (Crash)" wrote:
|
| > Very cool looks good.
| >
| > The problem you're gonna run into with visitor is that they may end up
here:
| > http://www.breladecockerspaniels.co.uk/album/album/index.html with no
way
| > home and the same thing if they book mark your page.
| >
| >
| >
| > | > | Mike.
| > | I have managed to insert a similar page on my site, with iframe &
JAlbum
| > | http://www.breladecockerspaniels.co.uk/index_files/Page3116.htm
| > | --
| > | brelade
| > |
| > |
| > | "Mike Koewler" wrote:
| > |
| > | > David,
| > | >
| > | > This page: http://anzz.co.uk/page15.html was done in WebPlus. Check
out
| > | > the albums. The pages use an i-frame to hold JAlbum so the designer
| > | > could keep her banner on the page.
| > | >
| > | > I would think this would work fine in Pub also, though one would
need to
| > | > create the code for the i-frame.
| > | >
| > | > Mike
| > | >
| > | > DavidF wrote:
| > | > > Try it yourself. Just create a blank web page with Publisher,
insert
| > the
| > | > > code snippet and upload it to a test folder on your site. It will
be a
| > good
| > | > > exercise, and remind you why its better to produce your site with
| > | > > FrontPage.;-)
| > | > >
| > | > > Or are you going to migrate to Expression? What do you think of
| > Expression?
| > | > > I took a peek at SharePoint but couldn't get hold of a copy of
| > Expression
| > | > > during the Publisher beta.
| > | > >
| > | > > DavidF
| > | > >
| > message
| > | > > | > | > >> Didja publish it? I'd like to see the results if ya did.
| > | > >>
| > | > >>
| > | > >>
| > | > >>
| > | > >> | > | > >> | It does in at least three cases on my site...knock on wood ;-)
I
| > have
| > | > >> tested
| > | > >> | it in Pub 2000 and 2003 so far...
| > | > >> |
| > | > >> | DavidF
| > | > >> |
in
| > | > >> message
| > | > >> | | > | > >> | > I'd be interested to see if it works!
| > | > >> | >
| > | > >> | >
| > | > >> | >
| > | > >> | > | > | > >> | > | Rob,
| > | > >> | > |
| > | > >> | > | Actually I have recently discovered that the statement
| > "Publisher
| > | > >> | > doesn't
| > | > >> | > | support frames" to not be totally true, though I have typed
the
| > same
| > | > >> | > thing
| > | > >> | > | many times on this group. After following the thread with
you
| > and
| > | > >> Mike
| > | > >> | > and
| > | > >> | > | the poster that had converted his whole Publisher web site
to
| > | > >> frames,
| > | > >> I
| > | > >> | > have
| > | > >> | > | found another exception to the rule.
| > | > >> | > |
| > | > >> | > | You are correct that there is no built-in support for
frames.
| > You
| > | > >> are
| > | > >> | > also
| > | > >> | > | correct that there are problems when web hosts frame
Publisher
| > | > >> websites,
| > | > >> | > | especially if the sites use the wizard built menus with
| > relative
| > | > >> | > | links...they don't work. However, you can use iframes in a
| > Publisher
| > | > >> web
| > | > >> | > | page by inserting the "proper" code into the page via the
| > insert
| > | > >> html
| > | > >> | > code
| > | > >> | > | fragment tool. I say "proper" cuz I don't pretend to
understand
| > the
| > | > >> | > "proper"
| > | > >> | > | way to write that code (or any code for that matter), but
have
| > had
| > | > >> some
| > | > >> | > | success with my testing. I also think you are correct in
| > suggesting
| > | > >> that
| > | > >> | > the
| > | > >> | > | best way is to link from your web page to the JAlbum, to
insure
| > the
| > | > >> | > chance
| > | > >> | > | of actually getting the album to load. And I am certainly
not
| > | > >> | > knowledgeable
| > | > >> | > | enough to debate the use or the aesthetics of using frames
or
| > | > >> iframes...
| > | > >> | > |
| > | > >> | > | However, for the benefit of Brelade, here is one way to
| > incorporate
| > | > >> | > JAlbums
| > | > >> | > | into Publisher web pages. First create a subfolder on your
site
| > (I
| > | > >> used
| > | > >> | > | "Album" at the root), and upload the html output from
JAlbum
| > into
| > | > >> that
| > | > >> | > | subfolder. Then you can insert the following code snippet
into
| > your
| > | > >> | > | Publisher page:
| > | > >> | > |
| > | > >> | > |
| > | > >> | > | <IFRAME src=http://www.yourdomain.com/Album/"
| > | > >> | > | width="700" height="600" hspace="0" vspace="0"
| > | > >> | > | frameborder="0" scrolling="auto"></IFRAME>
| > | > >> | > |
| > | > >> | > |
| > | > >> | > | Make your code fragment box the size you specify in the
code
| > | > >> | > fragment...in
| > | > >> | > | this case 700x600, and you can change the size of the
iframe
| > | > >> depending
| > | > >> | > on
| > | > >> | > | what you want to see, by changing those dimensions in the
code
| > | > >> fragment.
| > | > >> | > |
| > | > >> | > | I also have found in the past that some browsers have
chocked
| > when I
| > | > >> | > tried
| > | > >> | > | to import anything into a Publisher web page, so I also add
| > another
| > | > >> code
| > | > >> | > | snippet right above the iframe code snippet:
| > | > >> | > |
| > | > >> | > |
| > | > >> | > | <p><font face="Arial" size="3">
| > | > >> | > | <a href="http://www.yourdomain.com/Album/"
| > | > >> | > |
onclick="NewWindow(this.href,'name','700','600','yes');return
| > | > >> | > false">Click
| > | > >> | > | Here - Your Photo Album</a> - If the photo album does not
load
| > | > >> properly
| > | > >> | > | below, or you prefer to view the album in a new browser
window.
| > A
| > | > >> new
| > | > >> | > window
| > | > >> | > | will open. Close when finished.<br>
| > | > >> | > |
| > | > >> | > |
| > | > >> | > | This I believe is an alternative to consider by itself, if
| > Brelade
| > | > >> wants
| > | > >> | > the
| > | > >> | > | album to open in a new window, and was my attempt at giving
the
| > | > >> viewer
| > | > >> a
| > | > >> | > | "fail safe" option, in case the album didn't import and
display
| > | > >> properly
| > | > >> | > in
| > | > >> | > | the Publisher page.
| > | > >> | > |
| > | > >> | > | Brelade, as I said, I am not a coder, so don't ask me how
to
| > fix any
| > | > >> | > code
| > | > >> | > or
| > | > >> | > | troubleshoot why this doesn't work in your particular
| > situation, but
| > | > >> | > perhaps
| > | > >> | > | it will give you a starting point. And don't ask me to
| > interpret the
| > | > >> | > | instructions given you on the JAlbum link you provided. I
| > believe in
| > | > >> | > trial
| > | > >> | > | and terror as a learning process, so get in there and do
some
| > | > >> trials;-)
| > | > >> | > |
| > | > >> | > | DavidF
| > | > >> | > |
| > | > >> | > | "Rob Giordano (Crash)" <[email protected]>
wrote
| > in
| > | > >> | > message
| > | > >> | > | | > | > >> | > | > The only way to do this would be with frames, and
Publisher
| > | > >> doesn't
| > | > >> | > | > support
| > | > >> | > | > frames (which are ugly anyway). JAlbum creates pages. Why
not
| > make
| > | > >> | > JAlbums
| > | > >> | > | > pages match your existing page as much as possible then
| > create a
| > | > >> link
| > | > >> | > to
| > | > >> | > | > the
| > | > >> | > | > first index page of JAlbum...thats how I usually do it
(but
| > not
| > | > >> with
| > | > >> | > | > Publisher - but it should work fine)
| > | > >> | > | >
| > | > >> | > | >
| > message
| > | > >> | > | >
| > | > >> | > | > |I have down loaded JAlbum, and wish to insert in to my
site.
| > | > >> | > | > | How do i insert JAlbum, but still keeping my page
layout,
| > i.e
| > | > >> Header
| > | > >> | > &
| > | > >> | > | > Nav
| > | > >> | > | > | bar.
| > | > >> | > | > |
| > | > >> | > | > | If JAlbum is the wrong type of photo gallery for this,
can
| > you
| > | > >> | > recommend
| > | > >> | > | > | another free programme, I just wish to insert it as a
| > portion of
| > | > >> the
| > | > >> | > | > page.
| > | > >> | > | > |
| > | > >> | > | > | Cheers
| > | > >> | > | > | --
| > | > >> | > | > | brelade
| > | > >> | > | >
| > | > >> | > | >
| > | > >> | > |
| > | > >> | > |
| > | > >> | >
| > | > >> | >
| > | > >> |
| > | > >> |
| > | > >>
| > | > >>
| > | > >
| > | > >
| > | >
| >
| >
| >
clear your cache and then click on the that link...you'll get only the
iframed page nothing else.
your menu is even out of place as I view it in IE7.
you'd need to mess with this
<div style='position:absolute;margin-left:9px;margin-top:9px;width:47px;
height:37px;z-index:1125'><script type='text/javascript'>
The z-index is what controls the layer it's on...the higher the number the
higher the layer so to speak...but absolute positioning can be a nightmare
if you don't fully understand it (i don't use it myself). By mucking with
other positioning numbers you may be able to get your menu to not overlap
other stuff.
be careful
| Rob, I am a little unsure what you mean, i have added this page to my
| favourites, and it comes up ok.
| The only other problem i am having, is i took your suggestion, and have
down
| loaded firefox, when i view the site with this, all is ok, except, i do
not
| see my drop down menu's, they have moved to the rear of the page, and
| slightly out of line, is this something i have to live with.
|
| I am able to see what browsers my vistiors have, and 95% are using IE,
with
| only a few with firefox, how do i get a happy medium, between the two
| browsers?
|
| With IE, all my nav menu's appear at the top, so i am hopeing that they
can
| always nav to a new page.
| Any further advice would be most welcome.
| Cheers
|
| --
| brelade
|
|
| "Rob Giordano (Crash)" wrote:
|
| > Very cool looks good.
| >
| > The problem you're gonna run into with visitor is that they may end up
here:
| > http://www.breladecockerspaniels.co.uk/album/album/index.html with no
way
| > home and the same thing if they book mark your page.
| >
| >
| >
| > | > | Mike.
| > | I have managed to insert a similar page on my site, with iframe &
JAlbum
| > | http://www.breladecockerspaniels.co.uk/index_files/Page3116.htm
| > | --
| > | brelade
| > |
| > |
| > | "Mike Koewler" wrote:
| > |
| > | > David,
| > | >
| > | > This page: http://anzz.co.uk/page15.html was done in WebPlus. Check
out
| > | > the albums. The pages use an i-frame to hold JAlbum so the designer
| > | > could keep her banner on the page.
| > | >
| > | > I would think this would work fine in Pub also, though one would
need to
| > | > create the code for the i-frame.
| > | >
| > | > Mike
| > | >
| > | > DavidF wrote:
| > | > > Try it yourself. Just create a blank web page with Publisher,
insert
| > the
| > | > > code snippet and upload it to a test folder on your site. It will
be a
| > good
| > | > > exercise, and remind you why its better to produce your site with
| > | > > FrontPage.;-)
| > | > >
| > | > > Or are you going to migrate to Expression? What do you think of
| > Expression?
| > | > > I took a peek at SharePoint but couldn't get hold of a copy of
| > Expression
| > | > > during the Publisher beta.
| > | > >
| > | > > DavidF
| > | > >
| > message
| > | > > | > | > >> Didja publish it? I'd like to see the results if ya did.
| > | > >>
| > | > >>
| > | > >>
| > | > >>
| > | > >> | > | > >> | It does in at least three cases on my site...knock on wood ;-)
I
| > have
| > | > >> tested
| > | > >> | it in Pub 2000 and 2003 so far...
| > | > >> |
| > | > >> | DavidF
| > | > >> |
in
| > | > >> message
| > | > >> | | > | > >> | > I'd be interested to see if it works!
| > | > >> | >
| > | > >> | >
| > | > >> | >
| > | > >> | > | > | > >> | > | Rob,
| > | > >> | > |
| > | > >> | > | Actually I have recently discovered that the statement
| > "Publisher
| > | > >> | > doesn't
| > | > >> | > | support frames" to not be totally true, though I have typed
the
| > same
| > | > >> | > thing
| > | > >> | > | many times on this group. After following the thread with
you
| > and
| > | > >> Mike
| > | > >> | > and
| > | > >> | > | the poster that had converted his whole Publisher web site
to
| > | > >> frames,
| > | > >> I
| > | > >> | > have
| > | > >> | > | found another exception to the rule.
| > | > >> | > |
| > | > >> | > | You are correct that there is no built-in support for
frames.
| > You
| > | > >> are
| > | > >> | > also
| > | > >> | > | correct that there are problems when web hosts frame
Publisher
| > | > >> websites,
| > | > >> | > | especially if the sites use the wizard built menus with
| > relative
| > | > >> | > | links...they don't work. However, you can use iframes in a
| > Publisher
| > | > >> web
| > | > >> | > | page by inserting the "proper" code into the page via the
| > insert
| > | > >> html
| > | > >> | > code
| > | > >> | > | fragment tool. I say "proper" cuz I don't pretend to
understand
| > the
| > | > >> | > "proper"
| > | > >> | > | way to write that code (or any code for that matter), but
have
| > had
| > | > >> some
| > | > >> | > | success with my testing. I also think you are correct in
| > suggesting
| > | > >> that
| > | > >> | > the
| > | > >> | > | best way is to link from your web page to the JAlbum, to
insure
| > the
| > | > >> | > chance
| > | > >> | > | of actually getting the album to load. And I am certainly
not
| > | > >> | > knowledgeable
| > | > >> | > | enough to debate the use or the aesthetics of using frames
or
| > | > >> iframes...
| > | > >> | > |
| > | > >> | > | However, for the benefit of Brelade, here is one way to
| > incorporate
| > | > >> | > JAlbums
| > | > >> | > | into Publisher web pages. First create a subfolder on your
site
| > (I
| > | > >> used
| > | > >> | > | "Album" at the root), and upload the html output from
JAlbum
| > into
| > | > >> that
| > | > >> | > | subfolder. Then you can insert the following code snippet
into
| > your
| > | > >> | > | Publisher page:
| > | > >> | > |
| > | > >> | > |
| > | > >> | > | <IFRAME src=http://www.yourdomain.com/Album/"
| > | > >> | > | width="700" height="600" hspace="0" vspace="0"
| > | > >> | > | frameborder="0" scrolling="auto"></IFRAME>
| > | > >> | > |
| > | > >> | > |
| > | > >> | > | Make your code fragment box the size you specify in the
code
| > | > >> | > fragment...in
| > | > >> | > | this case 700x600, and you can change the size of the
iframe
| > | > >> depending
| > | > >> | > on
| > | > >> | > | what you want to see, by changing those dimensions in the
code
| > | > >> fragment.
| > | > >> | > |
| > | > >> | > | I also have found in the past that some browsers have
chocked
| > when I
| > | > >> | > tried
| > | > >> | > | to import anything into a Publisher web page, so I also add
| > another
| > | > >> code
| > | > >> | > | snippet right above the iframe code snippet:
| > | > >> | > |
| > | > >> | > |
| > | > >> | > | <p><font face="Arial" size="3">
| > | > >> | > | <a href="http://www.yourdomain.com/Album/"
| > | > >> | > |
onclick="NewWindow(this.href,'name','700','600','yes');return
| > | > >> | > false">Click
| > | > >> | > | Here - Your Photo Album</a> - If the photo album does not
load
| > | > >> properly
| > | > >> | > | below, or you prefer to view the album in a new browser
window.
| > A
| > | > >> new
| > | > >> | > window
| > | > >> | > | will open. Close when finished.<br>
| > | > >> | > |
| > | > >> | > |
| > | > >> | > | This I believe is an alternative to consider by itself, if
| > Brelade
| > | > >> wants
| > | > >> | > the
| > | > >> | > | album to open in a new window, and was my attempt at giving
the
| > | > >> viewer
| > | > >> a
| > | > >> | > | "fail safe" option, in case the album didn't import and
display
| > | > >> properly
| > | > >> | > in
| > | > >> | > | the Publisher page.
| > | > >> | > |
| > | > >> | > | Brelade, as I said, I am not a coder, so don't ask me how
to
| > fix any
| > | > >> | > code
| > | > >> | > or
| > | > >> | > | troubleshoot why this doesn't work in your particular
| > situation, but
| > | > >> | > perhaps
| > | > >> | > | it will give you a starting point. And don't ask me to
| > interpret the
| > | > >> | > | instructions given you on the JAlbum link you provided. I
| > believe in
| > | > >> | > trial
| > | > >> | > | and terror as a learning process, so get in there and do
some
| > | > >> trials;-)
| > | > >> | > |
| > | > >> | > | DavidF
| > | > >> | > |
| > | > >> | > | "Rob Giordano (Crash)" <[email protected]>
wrote
| > in
| > | > >> | > message
| > | > >> | > | | > | > >> | > | > The only way to do this would be with frames, and
Publisher
| > | > >> doesn't
| > | > >> | > | > support
| > | > >> | > | > frames (which are ugly anyway). JAlbum creates pages. Why
not
| > make
| > | > >> | > JAlbums
| > | > >> | > | > pages match your existing page as much as possible then
| > create a
| > | > >> link
| > | > >> | > to
| > | > >> | > | > the
| > | > >> | > | > first index page of JAlbum...thats how I usually do it
(but
| > not
| > | > >> with
| > | > >> | > | > Publisher - but it should work fine)
| > | > >> | > | >
| > | > >> | > | >
| > message
| > | > >> | > | >
| > | > >> | > | > |I have down loaded JAlbum, and wish to insert in to my
site.
| > | > >> | > | > | How do i insert JAlbum, but still keeping my page
layout,
| > i.e
| > | > >> Header
| > | > >> | > &
| > | > >> | > | > Nav
| > | > >> | > | > | bar.
| > | > >> | > | > |
| > | > >> | > | > | If JAlbum is the wrong type of photo gallery for this,
can
| > you
| > | > >> | > recommend
| > | > >> | > | > | another free programme, I just wish to insert it as a
| > portion of
| > | > >> the
| > | > >> | > | > page.
| > | > >> | > | > |
| > | > >> | > | > | Cheers
| > | > >> | > | > | --
| > | > >> | > | > | brelade
| > | > >> | > | >
| > | > >> | > | >
| > | > >> | > |
| > | > >> | > |
| > | > >> | >
| > | > >> | >
| > | > >> |
| > | > >> |
| > | > >>
| > | > >>
| > | > >
| > | > >
| > | >
| >
| >
| >
B
brelade
Rob
When you view the page are you viewing it with a minimised page, as i would
agree, the menu is out of place, but when maximised it lines up, this may
sound a stupid question, but what i view on my comuter, is that what everyone
else will view.
Ref the code, when i insert the code on the page, the menu dissappears
completely, i think this part is beyond me.
When viewed with firefox, my home page displays 1/2 the menu, but the
remainder of pages, the menu dissapears behind top title header, i would like
it be be able to be view with both browsers, all pages with firefox have
messed up drop down menu
When you view the page are you viewing it with a minimised page, as i would
agree, the menu is out of place, but when maximised it lines up, this may
sound a stupid question, but what i view on my comuter, is that what everyone
else will view.
Ref the code, when i insert the code on the page, the menu dissappears
completely, i think this part is beyond me.
When viewed with firefox, my home page displays 1/2 the menu, but the
remainder of pages, the menu dissapears behind top title header, i would like
it be be able to be view with both browsers, all pages with firefox have
messed up drop down menu
M
Mike Koewler
brelade,
When I view your pages (after a Ctrl/F5 to force a reload), your menu
views fine in SeaMonkey (a version of Firefox, Mozilla). But you have
designed it at 1024 pix, meaning it will have horizontal scroll bars
when viewing at 800 x 600. A recent poll (conducted by scantips.com)
asked about the resolution visitors were using. Less than 30 percent
were still at 800 x 600 but keep in mind - scantips is a site for people
who use their computer more for work. The little old ladies and those
who don't view the web as more than a pastime are less likely to have
larger monitors.
Mike
When I view your pages (after a Ctrl/F5 to force a reload), your menu
views fine in SeaMonkey (a version of Firefox, Mozilla). But you have
designed it at 1024 pix, meaning it will have horizontal scroll bars
when viewing at 800 x 600. A recent poll (conducted by scantips.com)
asked about the resolution visitors were using. Less than 30 percent
were still at 800 x 600 but keep in mind - scantips is a site for people
who use their computer more for work. The little old ladies and those
who don't view the web as more than a pastime are less likely to have
larger monitors.
Mike
B
brelade
Mike.
Point taken,I will look in to my page set up, but that is why i asked the
question above, do people view what i am seeing on my computer, the reason i
ask is, i have designed the site on a laptop with a 15" monitor, when i view
it, it fits the screen, i dont have horizontal scroll bars.
One problem i can't get round is, when i view with firefox my drop down
menu's dissapear behind my header, & dont line up on the page, also some of
my boarders move, it's like even thing has drop lower, if i move my drop down
menu or boarders to fit firefox, it messes up IE, question, do i have to take
the happy medium and go with IE, as most of my visitors are using IE.
Any advice on how to suit both browsers would be gratefully recieved.
Cheers
Point taken,I will look in to my page set up, but that is why i asked the
question above, do people view what i am seeing on my computer, the reason i
ask is, i have designed the site on a laptop with a 15" monitor, when i view
it, it fits the screen, i dont have horizontal scroll bars.
One problem i can't get round is, when i view with firefox my drop down
menu's dissapear behind my header, & dont line up on the page, also some of
my boarders move, it's like even thing has drop lower, if i move my drop down
menu or boarders to fit firefox, it messes up IE, question, do i have to take
the happy medium and go with IE, as most of my visitors are using IE.
Any advice on how to suit both browsers would be gratefully recieved.
Cheers
D
DavidF
brelade,
If I can jump in here... Here is a pretty good article to read about cross
browser compatibility:
http://msmvps.com/blogs/dbartosik/articles/80825.aspx
In general, there are things you can do with a Publisher print document,
that won't convert to HTML that will view correctly in IE. There are things
you can do in a Publisher web document that work fine in IE, but not FF.
Publisher writes different code for non IE browsers. Everything is a trade
off, but if you want to maximize browser compatibility, you test in both IE
and FF and perhaps other browsers, and if a particular technique or design
element doesn't work, then try a different design or technique. This is part
of web design.
In my opinion you need to focus on not only why your menu drop down displays
behind other design elements when viewed with FF, but also, and perhaps more
importantly, why it does not position itself correctly in either IE or FF.
The main menu overlaps text and other elements in both IE and FF when I view
your pages.
I took a peek at your code, and was overwhelmed by the sheer quantity, so I
wasn't able to tell why your menu does what it does. To trouble shoot it, I
would first ask, how did you insert the code for the menu? I assume that you
used the insert html code fragment feature. Did you overlap the fragment box
with other design elements? Did you make the box as big or slightly bigger
than the menu? Are you perhaps using a master page?
Rob indicated that the menu incorporated code that resulted in absolute
placement on your pages. Have you gone back to read the directions
associated with the use of this particular menu, to see if you can change
that? In my JavaScript menu, it displays where I put the code fragment box.
If you put your fragment box at another place on the page, does it display
there, or at the place it displays now? If it displays the same place
regardless of where you put the code fragment box, then you need to change
the code. Go back and read the directions, and at the same time look for
directions about coding the drop down menus to always display on top of any
other design elements. If it displays where you moved the box, then that
would tell me that the code itself doesn't specify where the menu will
display. Then you need to study how you have your page laid out. Perhaps
start out with a simpler page with just your banner elements, and snug up
the code fragment box to the bottom of the banner elements and test? Perhaps
move the content that is currently being overlapped down the page? Rebuild a
page one element at a time until you find the design element or technique
that is throwing things off, and then try something else until it works.
And if none of this helps, then go find a different code for your menu. I
tried a variety of different menus before I found one that would work for
me, and there certainly is a lot of free code available.
Nuff said...
DavidF
If I can jump in here... Here is a pretty good article to read about cross
browser compatibility:
http://msmvps.com/blogs/dbartosik/articles/80825.aspx
In general, there are things you can do with a Publisher print document,
that won't convert to HTML that will view correctly in IE. There are things
you can do in a Publisher web document that work fine in IE, but not FF.
Publisher writes different code for non IE browsers. Everything is a trade
off, but if you want to maximize browser compatibility, you test in both IE
and FF and perhaps other browsers, and if a particular technique or design
element doesn't work, then try a different design or technique. This is part
of web design.
In my opinion you need to focus on not only why your menu drop down displays
behind other design elements when viewed with FF, but also, and perhaps more
importantly, why it does not position itself correctly in either IE or FF.
The main menu overlaps text and other elements in both IE and FF when I view
your pages.
I took a peek at your code, and was overwhelmed by the sheer quantity, so I
wasn't able to tell why your menu does what it does. To trouble shoot it, I
would first ask, how did you insert the code for the menu? I assume that you
used the insert html code fragment feature. Did you overlap the fragment box
with other design elements? Did you make the box as big or slightly bigger
than the menu? Are you perhaps using a master page?
Rob indicated that the menu incorporated code that resulted in absolute
placement on your pages. Have you gone back to read the directions
associated with the use of this particular menu, to see if you can change
that? In my JavaScript menu, it displays where I put the code fragment box.
If you put your fragment box at another place on the page, does it display
there, or at the place it displays now? If it displays the same place
regardless of where you put the code fragment box, then you need to change
the code. Go back and read the directions, and at the same time look for
directions about coding the drop down menus to always display on top of any
other design elements. If it displays where you moved the box, then that
would tell me that the code itself doesn't specify where the menu will
display. Then you need to study how you have your page laid out. Perhaps
start out with a simpler page with just your banner elements, and snug up
the code fragment box to the bottom of the banner elements and test? Perhaps
move the content that is currently being overlapped down the page? Rebuild a
page one element at a time until you find the design element or technique
that is throwing things off, and then try something else until it works.
And if none of this helps, then go find a different code for your menu. I
tried a variety of different menus before I found one that would work for
me, and there certainly is a lot of free code available.
Nuff said...
DavidF
R
Rob Giordano \(Crash\)
Yes I'm viewing it maximized, but that doesn't matter does it...because you
don't know what my viewport size will EVER be.
No, what you view on your computer is very likely not going to be what
others see - I can move your menu ^all^ over the place my resizing my
viewport.
| Rob
| When you view the page are you viewing it with a minimised page, as i
would
| agree, the menu is out of place, but when maximised it lines up, this may
| sound a stupid question, but what i view on my comuter, is that what
everyone
| else will view.
|
| Ref the code, when i insert the code on the page, the menu dissappears
| completely, i think this part is beyond me.
| When viewed with firefox, my home page displays 1/2 the menu, but the
| remainder of pages, the menu dissapears behind top title header, i would
like
| it be be able to be view with both browsers, all pages with firefox have
| messed up drop down menu
| --
| brelade
|
|
| "Rob Giordano (Crash)" wrote:
|
| > probably cause you're looking at cached page.
| > clear your cache and then click on the that link...you'll get only the
| > iframed page nothing else.
| >
| > your menu is even out of place as I view it in IE7.
| >
| > you'd need to mess with this
| >
| > <div style='position:absolute;margin-left:9px;margin-top:9px;width:47px;
| > height:37px;z-index:1125'><script type='text/javascript'>
| >
| > The z-index is what controls the layer it's on...the higher the number
the
| > higher the layer so to speak...but absolute positioning can be a
nightmare
| > if you don't fully understand it (i don't use it myself). By mucking
with
| > other positioning numbers you may be able to get your menu to not
overlap
| > other stuff.
| >
| > be careful
| >
| > | > | Rob, I am a little unsure what you mean, i have added this page to my
| > | favourites, and it comes up ok.
| > | The only other problem i am having, is i took your suggestion, and
have
| > down
| > | loaded firefox, when i view the site with this, all is ok, except, i
do
| > not
| > | see my drop down menu's, they have moved to the rear of the page, and
| > | slightly out of line, is this something i have to live with.
| > |
| > | I am able to see what browsers my vistiors have, and 95% are using IE,
| > with
| > | only a few with firefox, how do i get a happy medium, between the two
| > | browsers?
| > |
| > | With IE, all my nav menu's appear at the top, so i am hopeing that
they
| > can
| > | always nav to a new page.
| > | Any further advice would be most welcome.
| > | Cheers
| > |
| > | --
| > | brelade
| > |
| > |
| > | "Rob Giordano (Crash)" wrote:
| > |
| > | > Very cool looks good.
| > | >
| > | > The problem you're gonna run into with visitor is that they may end
up
| > here:
| > | > http://www.breladecockerspaniels.co.uk/album/album/index.html with
no
| > way
| > | > home and the same thing if they book mark your page.
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > | > | > | Mike.
| > | > | I have managed to insert a similar page on my site, with iframe &
| > JAlbum
| > | > | http://www.breladecockerspaniels.co.uk/index_files/Page3116.htm
| > | > | --
| > | > | brelade
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > | "Mike Koewler" wrote:
| > | > |
| > | > | > David,
| > | > | >
| > | > | > This page: http://anzz.co.uk/page15.html was done in WebPlus.
Check
| > out
| > | > | > the albums. The pages use an i-frame to hold JAlbum so the
designer
| > | > | > could keep her banner on the page.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > I would think this would work fine in Pub also, though one would
| > need to
| > | > | > create the code for the i-frame.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Mike
| > | > | >
| > | > | > DavidF wrote:
| > | > | > > Try it yourself. Just create a blank web page with Publisher,
| > insert
| > | > the
| > | > | > > code snippet and upload it to a test folder on your site. It
will
| > be a
| > | > good
| > | > | > > exercise, and remind you why its better to produce your site
with
| > | > | > > FrontPage.;-)
| > | > | > >
| > | > | > > Or are you going to migrate to Expression? What do you think
of
| > | > Expression?
| > | > | > > I took a peek at SharePoint but couldn't get hold of a copy of
| > | > Expression
| > | > | > > during the Publisher beta.
| > | > | > >
| > | > | > > DavidF
| > | > | > >
in
| > | > message
| > | > | > > | > | > | > >> Didja publish it? I'd like to see the results if ya did.
| > | > | > >>
| > | > | > >>
| > | > | > >>
| > | > | > >>
| > | > | > >> | > | > | > >> | It does in at least three cases on my site...knock on wood
;-)
| > I
| > | > have
| > | > | > >> tested
| > | > | > >> | it in Pub 2000 and 2003 so far...
| > | > | > >> |
| > | > | > >> | DavidF
| > | > | > >> |
| > | > | > >> | "Rob Giordano (Crash)" <[email protected]>
wrote
| > in
| > | > | > >> message
| > | > | > >> | | > | > | > >> | > I'd be interested to see if it works!
| > | > | > >> | >
| > | > | > >> | >
| > | > | > >> | >
| > | > | > >> | > | > | > | > >> | > | Rob,
| > | > | > >> | > |
| > | > | > >> | > | Actually I have recently discovered that the statement
| > | > "Publisher
| > | > | > >> | > doesn't
| > | > | > >> | > | support frames" to not be totally true, though I have
typed
| > the
| > | > same
| > | > | > >> | > thing
| > | > | > >> | > | many times on this group. After following the thread
with
| > you
| > | > and
| > | > | > >> Mike
| > | > | > >> | > and
| > | > | > >> | > | the poster that had converted his whole Publisher web
site
| > to
| > | > | > >> frames,
| > | > | > >> I
| > | > | > >> | > have
| > | > | > >> | > | found another exception to the rule.
| > | > | > >> | > |
| > | > | > >> | > | You are correct that there is no built-in support for
| > frames.
| > | > You
| > | > | > >> are
| > | > | > >> | > also
| > | > | > >> | > | correct that there are problems when web hosts frame
| > Publisher
| > | > | > >> websites,
| > | > | > >> | > | especially if the sites use the wizard built menus with
| > | > relative
| > | > | > >> | > | links...they don't work. However, you can use iframes
in a
| > | > Publisher
| > | > | > >> web
| > | > | > >> | > | page by inserting the "proper" code into the page via
the
| > | > insert
| > | > | > >> html
| > | > | > >> | > code
| > | > | > >> | > | fragment tool. I say "proper" cuz I don't pretend to
| > understand
| > | > the
| > | > | > >> | > "proper"
| > | > | > >> | > | way to write that code (or any code for that matter),
but
| > have
| > | > had
| > | > | > >> some
| > | > | > >> | > | success with my testing. I also think you are correct
in
| > | > suggesting
| > | > | > >> that
| > | > | > >> | > the
| > | > | > >> | > | best way is to link from your web page to the JAlbum,
to
| > insure
| > | > the
| > | > | > >> | > chance
| > | > | > >> | > | of actually getting the album to load. And I am
certainly
| > not
| > | > | > >> | > knowledgeable
| > | > | > >> | > | enough to debate the use or the aesthetics of using
frames
| > or
| > | > | > >> iframes...
| > | > | > >> | > |
| > | > | > >> | > | However, for the benefit of Brelade, here is one way to
| > | > incorporate
| > | > | > >> | > JAlbums
| > | > | > >> | > | into Publisher web pages. First create a subfolder on
your
| > site
| > | > (I
| > | > | > >> used
| > | > | > >> | > | "Album" at the root), and upload the html output from
| > JAlbum
| > | > into
| > | > | > >> that
| > | > | > >> | > | subfolder. Then you can insert the following code
snippet
| > into
| > | > your
| > | > | > >> | > | Publisher page:
| > | > | > >> | > |
| > | > | > >> | > |
| > | > | > >> | > | <IFRAME src=http://www.yourdomain.com/Album/"
| > | > | > >> | > | width="700" height="600" hspace="0" vspace="0"
| > | > | > >> | > | frameborder="0" scrolling="auto"></IFRAME>
| > | > | > >> | > |
| > | > | > >> | > |
| > | > | > >> | > | Make your code fragment box the size you specify in the
| > code
| > | > | > >> | > fragment...in
| > | > | > >> | > | this case 700x600, and you can change the size of the
| > iframe
| > | > | > >> depending
| > | > | > >> | > on
| > | > | > >> | > | what you want to see, by changing those dimensions in
the
| > code
| > | > | > >> fragment.
| > | > | > >> | > |
| > | > | > >> | > | I also have found in the past that some browsers have
| > chocked
| > | > when I
| > | > | > >> | > tried
| > | > | > >> | > | to import anything into a Publisher web page, so I also
add
| > | > another
| > | > | > >> code
| > | > | > >> | > | snippet right above the iframe code snippet:
| > | > | > >> | > |
| > | > | > >> | > |
| > | > | > >> | > | <p><font face="Arial" size="3">
| > | > | > >> | > | <a href="http://www.yourdomain.com/Album/"
| > | > | > >> | > |
| > onclick="NewWindow(this.href,'name','700','600','yes');return
| > | > | > >> | > false">Click
| > | > | > >> | > | Here - Your Photo Album</a> - If the photo album does
not
| > load
| > | > | > >> properly
| > | > | > >> | > | below, or you prefer to view the album in a new browser
| > window.
| > | > A
| > | > | > >> new
| > | > | > >> | > window
| > | > | > >> | > | will open. Close when finished.<br>
| > | > | > >> | > |
| > | > | > >> | > |
| > | > | > >> | > | This I believe is an alternative to consider by itself,
if
| > | > Brelade
| > | > | > >> wants
| > | > | > >> | > the
| > | > | > >> | > | album to open in a new window, and was my attempt at
giving
| > the
| > | > | > >> viewer
| > | > | > >> a
| > | > | > >> | > | "fail safe" option, in case the album didn't import and
| > display
| > | > | > >> properly
| > | > | > >> | > in
| > | > | > >> | > | the Publisher page.
| > | > | > >> | > |
| > | > | > >> | > | Brelade, as I said, I am not a coder, so don't ask me
how
| > to
| > | > fix any
| > | > | > >> | > code
| > | > | > >> | > or
| > | > | > >> | > | troubleshoot why this doesn't work in your particular
| > | > situation, but
| > | > | > >> | > perhaps
| > | > | > >> | > | it will give you a starting point. And don't ask me to
| > | > interpret the
| > | > | > >> | > | instructions given you on the JAlbum link you provided.
I
| > | > believe in
| > | > | > >> | > trial
| > | > | > >> | > | and terror as a learning process, so get in there and
do
| > some
| > | > | > >> trials;-)
| > | > | > >> | > |
| > | > | > >> | > | DavidF
| > | > | > >> | > |
| > | > | > >> | > | "Rob Giordano (Crash)"
<[email protected]>
| > wrote
| > | > in
| > | > | > >> | > message
| > | > | > >> | > | | > | > | > >> | > | > The only way to do this would be with frames, and
| > Publisher
| > | > | > >> doesn't
| > | > | > >> | > | > support
| > | > | > >> | > | > frames (which are ugly anyway). JAlbum creates pages.
Why
| > not
| > | > make
| > | > | > >> | > JAlbums
| > | > | > >> | > | > pages match your existing page as much as possible
then
| > | > create a
| > | > | > >> link
| > | > | > >> | > to
| > | > | > >> | > | > the
| > | > | > >> | > | > first index page of JAlbum...thats how I usually do
it
don't know what my viewport size will EVER be.
No, what you view on your computer is very likely not going to be what
others see - I can move your menu ^all^ over the place my resizing my
viewport.
| Rob
| When you view the page are you viewing it with a minimised page, as i
would
| agree, the menu is out of place, but when maximised it lines up, this may
| sound a stupid question, but what i view on my comuter, is that what
everyone
| else will view.
|
| Ref the code, when i insert the code on the page, the menu dissappears
| completely, i think this part is beyond me.
| When viewed with firefox, my home page displays 1/2 the menu, but the
| remainder of pages, the menu dissapears behind top title header, i would
like
| it be be able to be view with both browsers, all pages with firefox have
| messed up drop down menu
| --
| brelade
|
|
| "Rob Giordano (Crash)" wrote:
|
| > probably cause you're looking at cached page.
| > clear your cache and then click on the that link...you'll get only the
| > iframed page nothing else.
| >
| > your menu is even out of place as I view it in IE7.
| >
| > you'd need to mess with this
| >
| > <div style='position:absolute;margin-left:9px;margin-top:9px;width:47px;
| > height:37px;z-index:1125'><script type='text/javascript'>
| >
| > The z-index is what controls the layer it's on...the higher the number
the
| > higher the layer so to speak...but absolute positioning can be a
nightmare
| > if you don't fully understand it (i don't use it myself). By mucking
with
| > other positioning numbers you may be able to get your menu to not
overlap
| > other stuff.
| >
| > be careful
| >
| > | > | Rob, I am a little unsure what you mean, i have added this page to my
| > | favourites, and it comes up ok.
| > | The only other problem i am having, is i took your suggestion, and
have
| > down
| > | loaded firefox, when i view the site with this, all is ok, except, i
do
| > not
| > | see my drop down menu's, they have moved to the rear of the page, and
| > | slightly out of line, is this something i have to live with.
| > |
| > | I am able to see what browsers my vistiors have, and 95% are using IE,
| > with
| > | only a few with firefox, how do i get a happy medium, between the two
| > | browsers?
| > |
| > | With IE, all my nav menu's appear at the top, so i am hopeing that
they
| > can
| > | always nav to a new page.
| > | Any further advice would be most welcome.
| > | Cheers
| > |
| > | --
| > | brelade
| > |
| > |
| > | "Rob Giordano (Crash)" wrote:
| > |
| > | > Very cool looks good.
| > | >
| > | > The problem you're gonna run into with visitor is that they may end
up
| > here:
| > | > http://www.breladecockerspaniels.co.uk/album/album/index.html with
no
| > way
| > | > home and the same thing if they book mark your page.
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > | > | > | Mike.
| > | > | I have managed to insert a similar page on my site, with iframe &
| > JAlbum
| > | > | http://www.breladecockerspaniels.co.uk/index_files/Page3116.htm
| > | > | --
| > | > | brelade
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > | "Mike Koewler" wrote:
| > | > |
| > | > | > David,
| > | > | >
| > | > | > This page: http://anzz.co.uk/page15.html was done in WebPlus.
Check
| > out
| > | > | > the albums. The pages use an i-frame to hold JAlbum so the
designer
| > | > | > could keep her banner on the page.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > I would think this would work fine in Pub also, though one would
| > need to
| > | > | > create the code for the i-frame.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Mike
| > | > | >
| > | > | > DavidF wrote:
| > | > | > > Try it yourself. Just create a blank web page with Publisher,
| > insert
| > | > the
| > | > | > > code snippet and upload it to a test folder on your site. It
will
| > be a
| > | > good
| > | > | > > exercise, and remind you why its better to produce your site
with
| > | > | > > FrontPage.;-)
| > | > | > >
| > | > | > > Or are you going to migrate to Expression? What do you think
of
| > | > Expression?
| > | > | > > I took a peek at SharePoint but couldn't get hold of a copy of
| > | > Expression
| > | > | > > during the Publisher beta.
| > | > | > >
| > | > | > > DavidF
| > | > | > >
in
| > | > message
| > | > | > > | > | > | > >> Didja publish it? I'd like to see the results if ya did.
| > | > | > >>
| > | > | > >>
| > | > | > >>
| > | > | > >>
| > | > | > >> | > | > | > >> | It does in at least three cases on my site...knock on wood
;-)
| > I
| > | > have
| > | > | > >> tested
| > | > | > >> | it in Pub 2000 and 2003 so far...
| > | > | > >> |
| > | > | > >> | DavidF
| > | > | > >> |
| > | > | > >> | "Rob Giordano (Crash)" <[email protected]>
wrote
| > in
| > | > | > >> message
| > | > | > >> | | > | > | > >> | > I'd be interested to see if it works!
| > | > | > >> | >
| > | > | > >> | >
| > | > | > >> | >
| > | > | > >> | > | > | > | > >> | > | Rob,
| > | > | > >> | > |
| > | > | > >> | > | Actually I have recently discovered that the statement
| > | > "Publisher
| > | > | > >> | > doesn't
| > | > | > >> | > | support frames" to not be totally true, though I have
typed
| > the
| > | > same
| > | > | > >> | > thing
| > | > | > >> | > | many times on this group. After following the thread
with
| > you
| > | > and
| > | > | > >> Mike
| > | > | > >> | > and
| > | > | > >> | > | the poster that had converted his whole Publisher web
site
| > to
| > | > | > >> frames,
| > | > | > >> I
| > | > | > >> | > have
| > | > | > >> | > | found another exception to the rule.
| > | > | > >> | > |
| > | > | > >> | > | You are correct that there is no built-in support for
| > frames.
| > | > You
| > | > | > >> are
| > | > | > >> | > also
| > | > | > >> | > | correct that there are problems when web hosts frame
| > Publisher
| > | > | > >> websites,
| > | > | > >> | > | especially if the sites use the wizard built menus with
| > | > relative
| > | > | > >> | > | links...they don't work. However, you can use iframes
in a
| > | > Publisher
| > | > | > >> web
| > | > | > >> | > | page by inserting the "proper" code into the page via
the
| > | > insert
| > | > | > >> html
| > | > | > >> | > code
| > | > | > >> | > | fragment tool. I say "proper" cuz I don't pretend to
| > understand
| > | > the
| > | > | > >> | > "proper"
| > | > | > >> | > | way to write that code (or any code for that matter),
but
| > have
| > | > had
| > | > | > >> some
| > | > | > >> | > | success with my testing. I also think you are correct
in
| > | > suggesting
| > | > | > >> that
| > | > | > >> | > the
| > | > | > >> | > | best way is to link from your web page to the JAlbum,
to
| > insure
| > | > the
| > | > | > >> | > chance
| > | > | > >> | > | of actually getting the album to load. And I am
certainly
| > not
| > | > | > >> | > knowledgeable
| > | > | > >> | > | enough to debate the use or the aesthetics of using
frames
| > or
| > | > | > >> iframes...
| > | > | > >> | > |
| > | > | > >> | > | However, for the benefit of Brelade, here is one way to
| > | > incorporate
| > | > | > >> | > JAlbums
| > | > | > >> | > | into Publisher web pages. First create a subfolder on
your
| > site
| > | > (I
| > | > | > >> used
| > | > | > >> | > | "Album" at the root), and upload the html output from
| > JAlbum
| > | > into
| > | > | > >> that
| > | > | > >> | > | subfolder. Then you can insert the following code
snippet
| > into
| > | > your
| > | > | > >> | > | Publisher page:
| > | > | > >> | > |
| > | > | > >> | > |
| > | > | > >> | > | <IFRAME src=http://www.yourdomain.com/Album/"
| > | > | > >> | > | width="700" height="600" hspace="0" vspace="0"
| > | > | > >> | > | frameborder="0" scrolling="auto"></IFRAME>
| > | > | > >> | > |
| > | > | > >> | > |
| > | > | > >> | > | Make your code fragment box the size you specify in the
| > code
| > | > | > >> | > fragment...in
| > | > | > >> | > | this case 700x600, and you can change the size of the
| > iframe
| > | > | > >> depending
| > | > | > >> | > on
| > | > | > >> | > | what you want to see, by changing those dimensions in
the
| > code
| > | > | > >> fragment.
| > | > | > >> | > |
| > | > | > >> | > | I also have found in the past that some browsers have
| > chocked
| > | > when I
| > | > | > >> | > tried
| > | > | > >> | > | to import anything into a Publisher web page, so I also
add
| > | > another
| > | > | > >> code
| > | > | > >> | > | snippet right above the iframe code snippet:
| > | > | > >> | > |
| > | > | > >> | > |
| > | > | > >> | > | <p><font face="Arial" size="3">
| > | > | > >> | > | <a href="http://www.yourdomain.com/Album/"
| > | > | > >> | > |
| > onclick="NewWindow(this.href,'name','700','600','yes');return
| > | > | > >> | > false">Click
| > | > | > >> | > | Here - Your Photo Album</a> - If the photo album does
not
| > load
| > | > | > >> properly
| > | > | > >> | > | below, or you prefer to view the album in a new browser
| > window.
| > | > A
| > | > | > >> new
| > | > | > >> | > window
| > | > | > >> | > | will open. Close when finished.<br>
| > | > | > >> | > |
| > | > | > >> | > |
| > | > | > >> | > | This I believe is an alternative to consider by itself,
if
| > | > Brelade
| > | > | > >> wants
| > | > | > >> | > the
| > | > | > >> | > | album to open in a new window, and was my attempt at
giving
| > the
| > | > | > >> viewer
| > | > | > >> a
| > | > | > >> | > | "fail safe" option, in case the album didn't import and
| > display
| > | > | > >> properly
| > | > | > >> | > in
| > | > | > >> | > | the Publisher page.
| > | > | > >> | > |
| > | > | > >> | > | Brelade, as I said, I am not a coder, so don't ask me
how
| > to
| > | > fix any
| > | > | > >> | > code
| > | > | > >> | > or
| > | > | > >> | > | troubleshoot why this doesn't work in your particular
| > | > situation, but
| > | > | > >> | > perhaps
| > | > | > >> | > | it will give you a starting point. And don't ask me to
| > | > interpret the
| > | > | > >> | > | instructions given you on the JAlbum link you provided.
I
| > | > believe in
| > | > | > >> | > trial
| > | > | > >> | > | and terror as a learning process, so get in there and
do
| > some
| > | > | > >> trials;-)
| > | > | > >> | > |
| > | > | > >> | > | DavidF
| > | > | > >> | > |
| > | > | > >> | > | "Rob Giordano (Crash)"
<[email protected]>
| > wrote
| > | > in
| > | > | > >> | > message
| > | > | > >> | > | | > | > | > >> | > | > The only way to do this would be with frames, and
| > Publisher
| > | > | > >> doesn't
| > | > | > >> | > | > support
| > | > | > >> | > | > frames (which are ugly anyway). JAlbum creates pages.
Why
| > not
| > | > make
| > | > | > >> | > JAlbums
| > | > | > >> | > | > pages match your existing page as much as possible
then
| > | > create a
| > | > | > >> link
| > | > | > >> | > to
| > | > | > >> | > | > the
| > | > | > >> | > | > first index page of JAlbum...thats how I usually do
it
R
Rob Giordano \(Crash\)
The menu is visible in FF but it's hiding behind other stuff, depending on
what I set my viewport size to I can see and move it around. Try setting the
Z value to something like 2000 then you may be able to keep it on top to see
it...but it will still move all over da place...that's another project.
| Yes I'm viewing it maximized, but that doesn't matter does it...because
you
| don't know what my viewport size will EVER be.
|
| No, what you view on your computer is very likely not going to be what
| others see - I can move your menu ^all^ over the place my resizing my
| viewport.
|
|
|
| || Rob
|| When you view the page are you viewing it with a minimised page, as i
| would
|| agree, the menu is out of place, but when maximised it lines up, this may
|| sound a stupid question, but what i view on my comuter, is that what
| everyone
|| else will view.
||
|| Ref the code, when i insert the code on the page, the menu dissappears
|| completely, i think this part is beyond me.
|| When viewed with firefox, my home page displays 1/2 the menu, but the
|| remainder of pages, the menu dissapears behind top title header, i would
| like
|| it be be able to be view with both browsers, all pages with firefox have
|| messed up drop down menu
|| --
|| brelade
||
||
|| "Rob Giordano (Crash)" wrote:
||
|| > probably cause you're looking at cached page.
|| > clear your cache and then click on the that link...you'll get only the
|| > iframed page nothing else.
|| >
|| > your menu is even out of place as I view it in IE7.
|| >
|| > you'd need to mess with this
|| >
|| > <div
style='position:absolute;margin-left:9px;margin-top:9px;width:47px;
|| > height:37px;z-index:1125'><script type='text/javascript'>
|| >
|| > The z-index is what controls the layer it's on...the higher the number
| the
|| > higher the layer so to speak...but absolute positioning can be a
| nightmare
|| > if you don't fully understand it (i don't use it myself). By mucking
| with
|| > other positioning numbers you may be able to get your menu to not
| overlap
|| > other stuff.
|| >
|| > be careful
|| >
|| > || > | Rob, I am a little unsure what you mean, i have added this page to my
|| > | favourites, and it comes up ok.
|| > | The only other problem i am having, is i took your suggestion, and
| have
|| > down
|| > | loaded firefox, when i view the site with this, all is ok, except, i
| do
|| > not
|| > | see my drop down menu's, they have moved to the rear of the page, and
|| > | slightly out of line, is this something i have to live with.
|| > |
|| > | I am able to see what browsers my vistiors have, and 95% are using
IE,
|| > with
|| > | only a few with firefox, how do i get a happy medium, between the two
|| > | browsers?
|| > |
|| > | With IE, all my nav menu's appear at the top, so i am hopeing that
| they
|| > can
|| > | always nav to a new page.
|| > | Any further advice would be most welcome.
|| > | Cheers
|| > |
|| > | --
|| > | brelade
|| > |
|| > |
|| > | "Rob Giordano (Crash)" wrote:
|| > |
|| > | > Very cool looks good.
|| > | >
|| > | > The problem you're gonna run into with visitor is that they may end
| up
|| > here:
|| > | > http://www.breladecockerspaniels.co.uk/album/album/index.html
with
| no
|| > way
|| > | > home and the same thing if they book mark your page.
|| > | >
|| > | >
|| > | >
|| > | > || > | > | Mike.
|| > | > | I have managed to insert a similar page on my site, with iframe &
|| > JAlbum
|| > | > | http://www.breladecockerspaniels.co.uk/index_files/Page3116.htm
|| > | > | --
|| > | > | brelade
|| > | > |
|| > | > |
|| > | > | "Mike Koewler" wrote:
|| > | > |
|| > | > | > David,
|| > | > | >
|| > | > | > This page: http://anzz.co.uk/page15.html was done in WebPlus.
| Check
|| > out
|| > | > | > the albums. The pages use an i-frame to hold JAlbum so the
| designer
|| > | > | > could keep her banner on the page.
|| > | > | >
|| > | > | > I would think this would work fine in Pub also, though one
would
|| > need to
|| > | > | > create the code for the i-frame.
|| > | > | >
|| > | > | > Mike
|| > | > | >
|| > | > | > DavidF wrote:
|| > | > | > > Try it yourself. Just create a blank web page with Publisher,
|| > insert
|| > | > the
|| > | > | > > code snippet and upload it to a test folder on your site. It
| will
|| > be a
|| > | > good
|| > | > | > > exercise, and remind you why its better to produce your site
| with
|| > | > | > > FrontPage.;-)
|| > | > | > >
|| > | > | > > Or are you going to migrate to Expression? What do you think
| of
|| > | > Expression?
|| > | > | > > I took a peek at SharePoint but couldn't get hold of a copy
of
|| > | > Expression
|| > | > | > > during the Publisher beta.
|| > | > | > >
|| > | > | > > DavidF
|| > | > | > >
|| > | > | > > "Rob Giordano (Crash)" <[email protected]>
wrote
| in
|| > | > message
|| > | > | > > || > | > | > >> Didja publish it? I'd like to see the results if ya did.
|| > | > | > >>
|| > | > | > >>
|| > | > | > >>
|| > | > | > >>
|| > | > | > >> || > | > | > >> | It does in at least three cases on my site...knock on wood
| ;-)
|| > I
|| > | > have
|| > | > | > >> tested
|| > | > | > >> | it in Pub 2000 and 2003 so far...
|| > | > | > >> |
|| > | > | > >> | DavidF
|| > | > | > >> |
|| > | > | > >> | "Rob Giordano (Crash)" <[email protected]>
| wrote
|| > in
|| > | > | > >> message
|| > | > | > >> | || > | > | > >> | > I'd be interested to see if it works!
|| > | > | > >> | >
|| > | > | > >> | >
|| > | > | > >> | >
|| > | > | > >> | > || > | > | > >> | > | Rob,
|| > | > | > >> | > |
|| > | > | > >> | > | Actually I have recently discovered that the statement
|| > | > "Publisher
|| > | > | > >> | > doesn't
|| > | > | > >> | > | support frames" to not be totally true, though I have
| typed
|| > the
|| > | > same
|| > | > | > >> | > thing
|| > | > | > >> | > | many times on this group. After following the thread
| with
|| > you
|| > | > and
|| > | > | > >> Mike
|| > | > | > >> | > and
|| > | > | > >> | > | the poster that had converted his whole Publisher web
| site
|| > to
|| > | > | > >> frames,
|| > | > | > >> I
|| > | > | > >> | > have
|| > | > | > >> | > | found another exception to the rule.
|| > | > | > >> | > |
|| > | > | > >> | > | You are correct that there is no built-in support for
|| > frames.
|| > | > You
|| > | > | > >> are
|| > | > | > >> | > also
|| > | > | > >> | > | correct that there are problems when web hosts frame
|| > Publisher
|| > | > | > >> websites,
|| > | > | > >> | > | especially if the sites use the wizard built menus
with
|| > | > relative
|| > | > | > >> | > | links...they don't work. However, you can use iframes
| in a
|| > | > Publisher
|| > | > | > >> web
|| > | > | > >> | > | page by inserting the "proper" code into the page via
| the
|| > | > insert
|| > | > | > >> html
|| > | > | > >> | > code
|| > | > | > >> | > | fragment tool. I say "proper" cuz I don't pretend to
|| > understand
|| > | > the
|| > | > | > >> | > "proper"
|| > | > | > >> | > | way to write that code (or any code for that matter),
| but
|| > have
|| > | > had
|| > | > | > >> some
|| > | > | > >> | > | success with my testing. I also think you are correct
| in
|| > | > suggesting
|| > | > | > >> that
|| > | > | > >> | > the
|| > | > | > >> | > | best way is to link from your web page to the JAlbum,
| to
|| > insure
|| > | > the
|| > | > | > >> | > chance
|| > | > | > >> | > | of actually getting the album to load. And I am
| certainly
|| > not
|| > | > | > >> | > knowledgeable
|| > | > | > >> | > | enough to debate the use or the aesthetics of using
| frames
|| > or
|| > | > | > >> iframes...
|| > | > | > >> | > |
|| > | > | > >> | > | However, for the benefit of Brelade, here is one way
to
|| > | > incorporate
|| > | > | > >> | > JAlbums
|| > | > | > >> | > | into Publisher web pages. First create a subfolder on
| your
|| > site
|| > | > (I
|| > | > | > >> used
|| > | > | > >> | > | "Album" at the root), and upload the html output from
|| > JAlbum
|| > | > into
|| > | > | > >> that
|| > | > | > >> | > | subfolder. Then you can insert the following code
| snippet
|| > into
|| > | > your
|| > | > | > >> | > | Publisher page:
|| > | > | > >> | > |
|| > | > | > >> | > |
|| > | > | > >> | > | <IFRAME src=http://www.yourdomain.com/Album/"
|| > | > | > >> | > | width="700" height="600" hspace="0" vspace="0"
|| > | > | > >> | > | frameborder="0" scrolling="auto"></IFRAME>
|| > | > | > >> | > |
|| > | > | > >> | > |
|| > | > | > >> | > | Make your code fragment box the size you specify in
the
|| > code
|| > | > | > >> | > fragment...in
|| > | > | > >> | > | this case 700x600, and you can change the size of the
|| > iframe
|| > | > | > >> depending
|| > | > | > >> | > on
|| > | > | > >> | > | what you want to see, by changing those dimensions in
| the
|| > code
|| > | > | > >> fragment.
|| > | > | > >> | > |
|| > | > | > >> | > | I also have found in the past that some browsers have
|| > chocked
|| > | > when I
|| > | > | > >> | > tried
|| > | > | > >> | > | to import anything into a Publisher web page, so I
also
| add
|| > | > another
|| > | > | > >> code
|| > | > | > >> | > | snippet right above the iframe code snippet:
|| > | > | > >> | > |
|| > | > | > >> | > |
|| > | > | > >> | > | <p><font face="Arial" size="3">
|| > | > | > >> | > | <a href="http://www.yourdomain.com/Album/"
|| > | > | > >> | > |
|| > onclick="NewWindow(this.href,'name','700','600','yes');return
|| > | > | > >> | > false">Click
|| > | > | > >> | > | Here - Your Photo Album</a> - If the photo album does
| not
|| > load
|| > | > | > >> properly
|| > | > | > >> | > | below, or you prefer to view the album in a new
browser
|| > window.
|| > | > A
|| > | > | > >> new
|| > | > | > >> | > window
|| > | > | > >> | > | will open. Close when finished.<br>
|| > | > | > >> | > |
|| > | > | > >> | > |
|| > | > | > >> | > | This I believe is an alternative to consider by
itself,
| if
|| > | > Brelade
|| > | > | > >> wants
|| > | > | > >> | > the
|| > | > | > >> | > | album to open in a new window, and was my attempt at
| giving
|| > the
|| > | > | > >> viewer
|| > | > | > >> a
|| > | > | > >> | > | "fail safe" option, in case the album didn't import
and
|| > display
|| > | > | > >> properly
|| > | > | > >> | > in
|| > | > | > >> | > | the Publisher page.
|| > | > | > >> | > |
|| > | > | > >> | > | Brelade, as I said, I am not a coder, so don't ask me
| how
|| > to
|| > | > fix any
|| > | > | > >> | > code
|| > | > | > >> | > or
|| > | > | > >> | > | troubleshoot why this doesn't work in your particular
|| > | > situation, but
|| > | > | > >> | > perhaps
|| > | > | > >> | > | it will give you a starting point. And don't ask me to
|| > | > interpret the
|| > | > | > >> | > | instructions given you on the JAlbum link you
provided.
| I
|| > | > believe in
|| > | > | > >> | > trial
|| > | > | > >> | > | and terror as a learning process, so get in there and
| do
|| > some
|| > | > | > >> trials;-)
|| > | > | > >> | > |
|| > | > | > >> | > | DavidF
|| > | > | > >> | > |
|| > | > | > >> | > | "Rob Giordano (Crash)"
| <[email protected]>
|| > wrote
|| > | > in
|| > | > | > >> | > message
|| > | > | > >> | > | || > | > | > >> | > | > The only way to do this would be with frames, and
|| > Publisher
|| > | > | > >> doesn't
|| > | > | > >> | > | > support
|| > | > | > >> | > | > frames (which are ugly anyway). JAlbum creates
pages.
| Why
|| > not
|| > | > make
|| > | > | > >> | > JAlbums
|| > | > | > >> | > | > pages match your existing page as much as possible
| then
|| > | > create a
|| > | > | > >> link
|| > | > | > >> | > to
|| > | > | > >> | > | > the
|| > | > | > >> | > | > first index page of JAlbum...thats how I usually do
| it
|
|
what I set my viewport size to I can see and move it around. Try setting the
Z value to something like 2000 then you may be able to keep it on top to see
it...but it will still move all over da place...that's another project.
| Yes I'm viewing it maximized, but that doesn't matter does it...because
you
| don't know what my viewport size will EVER be.
|
| No, what you view on your computer is very likely not going to be what
| others see - I can move your menu ^all^ over the place my resizing my
| viewport.
|
|
|
| || Rob
|| When you view the page are you viewing it with a minimised page, as i
| would
|| agree, the menu is out of place, but when maximised it lines up, this may
|| sound a stupid question, but what i view on my comuter, is that what
| everyone
|| else will view.
||
|| Ref the code, when i insert the code on the page, the menu dissappears
|| completely, i think this part is beyond me.
|| When viewed with firefox, my home page displays 1/2 the menu, but the
|| remainder of pages, the menu dissapears behind top title header, i would
| like
|| it be be able to be view with both browsers, all pages with firefox have
|| messed up drop down menu
|| --
|| brelade
||
||
|| "Rob Giordano (Crash)" wrote:
||
|| > probably cause you're looking at cached page.
|| > clear your cache and then click on the that link...you'll get only the
|| > iframed page nothing else.
|| >
|| > your menu is even out of place as I view it in IE7.
|| >
|| > you'd need to mess with this
|| >
|| > <div
style='position:absolute;margin-left:9px;margin-top:9px;width:47px;
|| > height:37px;z-index:1125'><script type='text/javascript'>
|| >
|| > The z-index is what controls the layer it's on...the higher the number
| the
|| > higher the layer so to speak...but absolute positioning can be a
| nightmare
|| > if you don't fully understand it (i don't use it myself). By mucking
| with
|| > other positioning numbers you may be able to get your menu to not
| overlap
|| > other stuff.
|| >
|| > be careful
|| >
|| > || > | Rob, I am a little unsure what you mean, i have added this page to my
|| > | favourites, and it comes up ok.
|| > | The only other problem i am having, is i took your suggestion, and
| have
|| > down
|| > | loaded firefox, when i view the site with this, all is ok, except, i
| do
|| > not
|| > | see my drop down menu's, they have moved to the rear of the page, and
|| > | slightly out of line, is this something i have to live with.
|| > |
|| > | I am able to see what browsers my vistiors have, and 95% are using
IE,
|| > with
|| > | only a few with firefox, how do i get a happy medium, between the two
|| > | browsers?
|| > |
|| > | With IE, all my nav menu's appear at the top, so i am hopeing that
| they
|| > can
|| > | always nav to a new page.
|| > | Any further advice would be most welcome.
|| > | Cheers
|| > |
|| > | --
|| > | brelade
|| > |
|| > |
|| > | "Rob Giordano (Crash)" wrote:
|| > |
|| > | > Very cool looks good.
|| > | >
|| > | > The problem you're gonna run into with visitor is that they may end
| up
|| > here:
|| > | > http://www.breladecockerspaniels.co.uk/album/album/index.html
with
| no
|| > way
|| > | > home and the same thing if they book mark your page.
|| > | >
|| > | >
|| > | >
|| > | > || > | > | Mike.
|| > | > | I have managed to insert a similar page on my site, with iframe &
|| > JAlbum
|| > | > | http://www.breladecockerspaniels.co.uk/index_files/Page3116.htm
|| > | > | --
|| > | > | brelade
|| > | > |
|| > | > |
|| > | > | "Mike Koewler" wrote:
|| > | > |
|| > | > | > David,
|| > | > | >
|| > | > | > This page: http://anzz.co.uk/page15.html was done in WebPlus.
| Check
|| > out
|| > | > | > the albums. The pages use an i-frame to hold JAlbum so the
| designer
|| > | > | > could keep her banner on the page.
|| > | > | >
|| > | > | > I would think this would work fine in Pub also, though one
would
|| > need to
|| > | > | > create the code for the i-frame.
|| > | > | >
|| > | > | > Mike
|| > | > | >
|| > | > | > DavidF wrote:
|| > | > | > > Try it yourself. Just create a blank web page with Publisher,
|| > insert
|| > | > the
|| > | > | > > code snippet and upload it to a test folder on your site. It
| will
|| > be a
|| > | > good
|| > | > | > > exercise, and remind you why its better to produce your site
| with
|| > | > | > > FrontPage.;-)
|| > | > | > >
|| > | > | > > Or are you going to migrate to Expression? What do you think
| of
|| > | > Expression?
|| > | > | > > I took a peek at SharePoint but couldn't get hold of a copy
of
|| > | > Expression
|| > | > | > > during the Publisher beta.
|| > | > | > >
|| > | > | > > DavidF
|| > | > | > >
|| > | > | > > "Rob Giordano (Crash)" <[email protected]>
wrote
| in
|| > | > message
|| > | > | > > || > | > | > >> Didja publish it? I'd like to see the results if ya did.
|| > | > | > >>
|| > | > | > >>
|| > | > | > >>
|| > | > | > >>
|| > | > | > >> || > | > | > >> | It does in at least three cases on my site...knock on wood
| ;-)
|| > I
|| > | > have
|| > | > | > >> tested
|| > | > | > >> | it in Pub 2000 and 2003 so far...
|| > | > | > >> |
|| > | > | > >> | DavidF
|| > | > | > >> |
|| > | > | > >> | "Rob Giordano (Crash)" <[email protected]>
| wrote
|| > in
|| > | > | > >> message
|| > | > | > >> | || > | > | > >> | > I'd be interested to see if it works!
|| > | > | > >> | >
|| > | > | > >> | >
|| > | > | > >> | >
|| > | > | > >> | > || > | > | > >> | > | Rob,
|| > | > | > >> | > |
|| > | > | > >> | > | Actually I have recently discovered that the statement
|| > | > "Publisher
|| > | > | > >> | > doesn't
|| > | > | > >> | > | support frames" to not be totally true, though I have
| typed
|| > the
|| > | > same
|| > | > | > >> | > thing
|| > | > | > >> | > | many times on this group. After following the thread
| with
|| > you
|| > | > and
|| > | > | > >> Mike
|| > | > | > >> | > and
|| > | > | > >> | > | the poster that had converted his whole Publisher web
| site
|| > to
|| > | > | > >> frames,
|| > | > | > >> I
|| > | > | > >> | > have
|| > | > | > >> | > | found another exception to the rule.
|| > | > | > >> | > |
|| > | > | > >> | > | You are correct that there is no built-in support for
|| > frames.
|| > | > You
|| > | > | > >> are
|| > | > | > >> | > also
|| > | > | > >> | > | correct that there are problems when web hosts frame
|| > Publisher
|| > | > | > >> websites,
|| > | > | > >> | > | especially if the sites use the wizard built menus
with
|| > | > relative
|| > | > | > >> | > | links...they don't work. However, you can use iframes
| in a
|| > | > Publisher
|| > | > | > >> web
|| > | > | > >> | > | page by inserting the "proper" code into the page via
| the
|| > | > insert
|| > | > | > >> html
|| > | > | > >> | > code
|| > | > | > >> | > | fragment tool. I say "proper" cuz I don't pretend to
|| > understand
|| > | > the
|| > | > | > >> | > "proper"
|| > | > | > >> | > | way to write that code (or any code for that matter),
| but
|| > have
|| > | > had
|| > | > | > >> some
|| > | > | > >> | > | success with my testing. I also think you are correct
| in
|| > | > suggesting
|| > | > | > >> that
|| > | > | > >> | > the
|| > | > | > >> | > | best way is to link from your web page to the JAlbum,
| to
|| > insure
|| > | > the
|| > | > | > >> | > chance
|| > | > | > >> | > | of actually getting the album to load. And I am
| certainly
|| > not
|| > | > | > >> | > knowledgeable
|| > | > | > >> | > | enough to debate the use or the aesthetics of using
| frames
|| > or
|| > | > | > >> iframes...
|| > | > | > >> | > |
|| > | > | > >> | > | However, for the benefit of Brelade, here is one way
to
|| > | > incorporate
|| > | > | > >> | > JAlbums
|| > | > | > >> | > | into Publisher web pages. First create a subfolder on
| your
|| > site
|| > | > (I
|| > | > | > >> used
|| > | > | > >> | > | "Album" at the root), and upload the html output from
|| > JAlbum
|| > | > into
|| > | > | > >> that
|| > | > | > >> | > | subfolder. Then you can insert the following code
| snippet
|| > into
|| > | > your
|| > | > | > >> | > | Publisher page:
|| > | > | > >> | > |
|| > | > | > >> | > |
|| > | > | > >> | > | <IFRAME src=http://www.yourdomain.com/Album/"
|| > | > | > >> | > | width="700" height="600" hspace="0" vspace="0"
|| > | > | > >> | > | frameborder="0" scrolling="auto"></IFRAME>
|| > | > | > >> | > |
|| > | > | > >> | > |
|| > | > | > >> | > | Make your code fragment box the size you specify in
the
|| > code
|| > | > | > >> | > fragment...in
|| > | > | > >> | > | this case 700x600, and you can change the size of the
|| > iframe
|| > | > | > >> depending
|| > | > | > >> | > on
|| > | > | > >> | > | what you want to see, by changing those dimensions in
| the
|| > code
|| > | > | > >> fragment.
|| > | > | > >> | > |
|| > | > | > >> | > | I also have found in the past that some browsers have
|| > chocked
|| > | > when I
|| > | > | > >> | > tried
|| > | > | > >> | > | to import anything into a Publisher web page, so I
also
| add
|| > | > another
|| > | > | > >> code
|| > | > | > >> | > | snippet right above the iframe code snippet:
|| > | > | > >> | > |
|| > | > | > >> | > |
|| > | > | > >> | > | <p><font face="Arial" size="3">
|| > | > | > >> | > | <a href="http://www.yourdomain.com/Album/"
|| > | > | > >> | > |
|| > onclick="NewWindow(this.href,'name','700','600','yes');return
|| > | > | > >> | > false">Click
|| > | > | > >> | > | Here - Your Photo Album</a> - If the photo album does
| not
|| > load
|| > | > | > >> properly
|| > | > | > >> | > | below, or you prefer to view the album in a new
browser
|| > window.
|| > | > A
|| > | > | > >> new
|| > | > | > >> | > window
|| > | > | > >> | > | will open. Close when finished.<br>
|| > | > | > >> | > |
|| > | > | > >> | > |
|| > | > | > >> | > | This I believe is an alternative to consider by
itself,
| if
|| > | > Brelade
|| > | > | > >> wants
|| > | > | > >> | > the
|| > | > | > >> | > | album to open in a new window, and was my attempt at
| giving
|| > the
|| > | > | > >> viewer
|| > | > | > >> a
|| > | > | > >> | > | "fail safe" option, in case the album didn't import
and
|| > display
|| > | > | > >> properly
|| > | > | > >> | > in
|| > | > | > >> | > | the Publisher page.
|| > | > | > >> | > |
|| > | > | > >> | > | Brelade, as I said, I am not a coder, so don't ask me
| how
|| > to
|| > | > fix any
|| > | > | > >> | > code
|| > | > | > >> | > or
|| > | > | > >> | > | troubleshoot why this doesn't work in your particular
|| > | > situation, but
|| > | > | > >> | > perhaps
|| > | > | > >> | > | it will give you a starting point. And don't ask me to
|| > | > interpret the
|| > | > | > >> | > | instructions given you on the JAlbum link you
provided.
| I
|| > | > believe in
|| > | > | > >> | > trial
|| > | > | > >> | > | and terror as a learning process, so get in there and
| do
|| > some
|| > | > | > >> trials;-)
|| > | > | > >> | > |
|| > | > | > >> | > | DavidF
|| > | > | > >> | > |
|| > | > | > >> | > | "Rob Giordano (Crash)"
| <[email protected]>
|| > wrote
|| > | > in
|| > | > | > >> | > message
|| > | > | > >> | > | || > | > | > >> | > | > The only way to do this would be with frames, and
|| > Publisher
|| > | > | > >> doesn't
|| > | > | > >> | > | > support
|| > | > | > >> | > | > frames (which are ugly anyway). JAlbum creates
pages.
| Why
|| > not
|| > | > make
|| > | > | > >> | > JAlbums
|| > | > | > >> | > | > pages match your existing page as much as possible
| then
|| > | > create a
|| > | > | > >> link
|| > | > | > >> | > to
|| > | > | > >> | > | > the
|| > | > | > >> | > | > first index page of JAlbum...thats how I usually do
| it
|
|
B
brelade
David.
I inserted it by a generated code from Coffe Cup, and placed it by HTML Code
Fragment, the code generated postions the menu, it doesn't matter where i
place the code fragment, so i have minimised it and moved to to a corner out
of the way, you mention make the box the same size as the menu, does that
make a difference.
I have gone in a sent all text to view in the back so it can view over text,
is there a set distance that code must be away from text?
What is strange to me, and have never know before, is that you are viewing a
different page to me, when i view my published page, the menu is perfectly
lined up & locked in position in IE, if my page looks good to me, how do i
know if there is someting wrong, that i why, i took the advice to view with
Firefox, which has brought this conversation to light, i was blissfully
unaware of any problems.
I aheve moved the code out of the way of any text, it just rolls down over
text, and in FIREFOX, it dissapears behind title, which browser do i take as
being correct.
I will look at the suggest artical, but being new to web publishing, i
thought WYSIWYG, how i was wrong.
If there was no pain there would be no gain, backed up by excellent advice
from you all.
Why am i not seeing what you are seeing????????????????????????.
Cheers Confused
I inserted it by a generated code from Coffe Cup, and placed it by HTML Code
Fragment, the code generated postions the menu, it doesn't matter where i
place the code fragment, so i have minimised it and moved to to a corner out
of the way, you mention make the box the same size as the menu, does that
make a difference.
I have gone in a sent all text to view in the back so it can view over text,
is there a set distance that code must be away from text?
What is strange to me, and have never know before, is that you are viewing a
different page to me, when i view my published page, the menu is perfectly
lined up & locked in position in IE, if my page looks good to me, how do i
know if there is someting wrong, that i why, i took the advice to view with
Firefox, which has brought this conversation to light, i was blissfully
unaware of any problems.
I aheve moved the code out of the way of any text, it just rolls down over
text, and in FIREFOX, it dissapears behind title, which browser do i take as
being correct.
I will look at the suggest artical, but being new to web publishing, i
thought WYSIWYG, how i was wrong.
If there was no pain there would be no gain, backed up by excellent advice
from you all.
Why am i not seeing what you are seeing????????????????????????.
Cheers Confused
D
DavidF
Brelade,
Not to be redundant, but as I have said before...go read the instructions. I
don't have coffee cup, nor do I want to download and try to decipher the
instructions. But according to the coffeecup website: "Your DHTML menu is
totally customizable. You can adjust fonts, colors, borders, padding,
alignment, even adjust the arrows for the sub-menus. " Pay special attention
to the words "alignment" and "padding". Obviously the code you are using now
uses an "absolute" alignment which isn't working for you. Find a way to make
the alignment "variable" or whatever word they use, so that when you insert
it into the code fragment box, that is where the menu will display when you
load the page...in other words, remove the code that specifies alignment.
And if there is no way to do that, then figure out exactly where the menu
should be on your page. How many pixels down from the top of the page
(perhaps add the total depth of your banner images), and then if your menu
is 800 pixels wide but your page is 1024, then look for coding that will
allow you to left justify or center. You just have to read about what you
can do, and then experiment...some trial and terror.
Also look for instructions that keep the cascading menu on top of other
design elements, while you are at it. And if you can't get coffee cup to
work...then try something else...or don't use a DHTML menu...use a textual
one that will work correctly in all browsers. This is an example of where it
might be a good idea to KISS. Sorry I don't have better advice.
As to not seeing what we are seeing...read Rob's post. Try viewing your
website on a different computer.
DavidF
Not to be redundant, but as I have said before...go read the instructions. I
don't have coffee cup, nor do I want to download and try to decipher the
instructions. But according to the coffeecup website: "Your DHTML menu is
totally customizable. You can adjust fonts, colors, borders, padding,
alignment, even adjust the arrows for the sub-menus. " Pay special attention
to the words "alignment" and "padding". Obviously the code you are using now
uses an "absolute" alignment which isn't working for you. Find a way to make
the alignment "variable" or whatever word they use, so that when you insert
it into the code fragment box, that is where the menu will display when you
load the page...in other words, remove the code that specifies alignment.
And if there is no way to do that, then figure out exactly where the menu
should be on your page. How many pixels down from the top of the page
(perhaps add the total depth of your banner images), and then if your menu
is 800 pixels wide but your page is 1024, then look for coding that will
allow you to left justify or center. You just have to read about what you
can do, and then experiment...some trial and terror.
Also look for instructions that keep the cascading menu on top of other
design elements, while you are at it. And if you can't get coffee cup to
work...then try something else...or don't use a DHTML menu...use a textual
one that will work correctly in all browsers. This is an example of where it
might be a good idea to KISS. Sorry I don't have better advice.
As to not seeing what we are seeing...read Rob's post. Try viewing your
website on a different computer.
DavidF
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