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Joe Rohn

Rob I agree with you that themes are not the best way to control the "look"
of a site..but you lost me on not being able to use more than one. You can
apply different themes to different pages if you want <shudder> or maybe I
am not understanding the question?!?

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Joe

Microsoft MVP FrontPage

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B

Bob

It will show your current includes, but not allow you to change them or add
new ones.

Does it support SSI includes or some other type of include mechanism ?
Or did they miss the boat on this one ?
 
R

Rob Giordano \(Crash\)

You're right, and of course right about <shudder>...dunno what I was
thinking about.


| Rob I agree with you that themes are not the best way to control the
"look"
| of a site..but you lost me on not being able to use more than one. You can
| apply different themes to different pages if you want <shudder> or maybe I
| am not understanding the question?!?
|
| --
| Joe
|
| Microsoft MVP FrontPage
|
| FrontPage and Expressions Users Forums:
| http://www.timeforweb.com/frontpage
|
| | > Themes are restrictive since you can't use more than one. You could try
| > DWTs - I'm still messin' around with them so dunno too much yet.
| >
| >
| > | > | If themes are going away, I guess I'd better find out what I do want
:)
| > |
| > | I have 5 family-history sites, two religious sites, one political
site,
| > and
| > | one running site. I don't want to spend much if any time creating
| > graphics
| > | for my sites. The themes provided by Microsof were bad, but there are
| > some
| > | pretty good 3rd-party themes. FP allows me to have multiple themes per
| > site,
| > | and I have a different theme for each branch of my family tree.
| > |
| > | "Rob Giordano (Crash)" wrote:
| > |
| > | > Themes are going away. I believe it supports them if they are
already
| > there.
| > | > You don't want themes anyway.
| > | >
| > | > primary ng: microsoft.public.expression.webdesigner
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > | > | > | Thanks, Rob, I really did have the wrong program! I've tried EWD,
| > and
| > it
| > | > is
| > | > | like FP with up-to-date features. Everything that I wanted is
there
| > except
| > | > | for one thing; I haven't figured out how to format themes and
apply
| > a
| > | > theme
| > | > | to a page. The link properties use themes for graphical links, and
I
| > can
| > | > | change the theme used by a link, so EWD does know about themes. It
| > was
| > so
| > | > | easy in FP 2003 to modify themes with my graphics and to change
the
| > theme
| > | > | used on a page. Guess it's time to find the EWD forum and search
for
| > a
| > | > | discussion of themes.
| > | > |
| > | > | Thanks to everyone who replied to this thread!
| > | > |
| > | > | "Rob Giordano (Crash)" wrote:
| > | > |
| > | > | > You tried the wrong program. Try EWD (Expression Web
| > Designer)...NOTE:
| > | > it is
| > | > | > still BETA.
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > | Just a further comment to elaborate on my first post.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | Other features that I really like in FP are included content
and
| > photo
| > | > | > | galleries. My web sites are non-commercial, information sites,
| > and
| > I
| > | > like
| > | > | > FP
| > | > | > | because it allows me to quickly produce new pages and modify
| > existing
| > | > | > pages.
| > | > | > | That means I can focus on the informational content in the
site
| > and
| > | > not on
| > | > | > | the techniques used to produce the pages.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | I realize that not many people create they type of sites I do,
| > and
| > I
| > | > can't
| > | > | > | blame Microsoft for moving in a different direction. I was
just
| > hoping
| > | > | > that
| > | > | > | Visual Web Developer would retain the key features that I like
| > in
| > FP.
| > | > My
| > | > | > | server doesn't have FP extensions, so I don't use a lot of the
| > | > features
| > | > | > that
| > | > | > | FP does have.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | The only support I need from Microsoft is eliminating the
"junk"
| > that
| > | > FP
| > | > | > | puts into its code, and unless I find a good replacement I'll
| > probably
| > | > | > | continue using FP long after it's "obsolete".
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | Thanks, Tom, for the links you gave. They were informative.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| >
| >
|
|
 
T

Thomas A. Rowe

Currently the issue is about FP Includes. Any HTML editor will support SSI.

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T

Trevor L.

Tom said:
If you have used include pages in your webs, EWD will not support
them. For those of use who make extensive use of includes, this will
be a major problem.

I use an include solution outside of FP: http://dorward.me.uk/software/dolt/
by David Dorward

It is a great liitle Perl script (with instructions on where to download
Perl) which basically allows you to write code snippets - no <html> <head>
or <body> tags needed - and include them anywhere in your code. While I have
called them snippets here (David doesn't), they can be as short or as long
as you like.

It solves the problem of includes and avoiding frames. The only "problem" if
there is one is that one has to remember to run the script again after
changing either the HTML which calls the include code or the HTML code which
is included. By separating these into different directories, it is less of a
problem.
 
T

Thomas A. Rowe

However you don't need DoIt if you can use Server Side Includes (SSI) which would be faster since
you will just replace/update your page on the live/remote site and then every visitor would see the
updates content.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
==============================================
If you feel your current issue is a results of installing
a Service Pack or security update, please contact
Microsoft Product Support Services:
http://support.microsoft.com
If the problem can be shown to have been caused by a
security update, then there is usually no charge for the call.
==============================================
 
T

Trevor L.

Thomas said:
However you don't need DoIt if you can use Server Side Includes (SSI)
which would be faster since you will just replace/update your page on
the live/remote site and then every visitor would see the updates
content.

True, but I am not a professional.

I use a site supplied by my ISP. It has very liitle, if any extras.

If I want to have more facilities, then I need to look into what is
available and what I have to pay (here in Australia). Maybe a future project
for me if I get sufficiently hooked on what goodies a "proper" website
provider can provide.
 
C

Clark

Jeez, I always thought the FP Insert Component / Include Page was
inserting a Server Side Include. Not?? And this feature may turn up
absent?
 

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