Let's pick a replacement for this (Access) newsgroup

[David W. Fenton]

Please delete me from your messages

Er, what?

 

[John W. Vinson]

Er, what?

This newsgroup shows up as the first (alphabetically) in the Microsoft
Communities folder in Windows Mail. New users who are unaware of the very
existence of newsgroups, and who (reasonably) equate Windows Mail with email,
often assume that the public bulletin board messages they see are being sent
to them personally.

 

[David W. Fenton]

This newsgroup shows up as the first (alphabetically) in the
Microsoft Communities folder in Windows Mail. New users who are
unaware of the very existence of newsgroups, and who (reasonably)
equate Windows Mail with email, often assume that the public
bulletin board messages they see are being sent to them
personally.

I bet it doesn't show up today, as ms.public.access was deleted from
MS's news server between yesterday evening and this afternoon.

Yet, a number of Access newsgroups remain. I don't know what the
distinction is.

 

[David Kaye]

I bet it doesn't show up today, as ms.public.access was deleted from
MS's news server between yesterday evening and this afternoon.

Yet, a number of Access newsgroups remain. I don't know what the
distinction is.

I get all the Microsoft newsgroups I always did, as long as someone posts to
the newsgroups. Eternal-September didn't honor Microsoft's newsgroup kill
messages.

 

[David W. Fenton]

(e-mail address removed) (David Kaye) wrote in

I get all the Microsoft newsgroups I always did, as long as
someone posts to the newsgroups. Eternal-September didn't honor
Microsoft's newsgroup kill messages.

Yes, of course -- everyone knows that already.

I was referring only to msnews.microsoft.com, the news server run by
MS itself. On that news server, they are gradually deleting
newsgroups, no doubt in preparation for shutting it down entirely.

 

[(PeteCresswell)]

Per David W. Fenton:

(e-mail address removed) (David Kaye) wrote in


Yes, of course -- everyone knows that already.

I was referring only to msnews.microsoft.com, the news server run by
MS itself. On that news server, they are gradually deleting
newsgroups, no doubt in preparation for shutting it down entirely.

Won't the NG keep propagating even without a specific server?

I just posted something today and I'm seeing it in the NG on my
end.

If there is a problem, how about comp.databases.ms-access as a
replacement? It has a pretty long history.

 

[David W. Fenton]

Per David W. Fenton:

Won't the NG keep propagating even without a specific server?

Yes, of course it will, as I've explained repeatedly. The only
exception would be if MS issues a rmgroup command and the non-MS
news servers honor it and remove the newsgroups.

I see today that the remaining Access newsgroups are gone from
msnews.microsoft.com. Indeed, it's not clear that the server still
exists -- it's not answering pings and traceroutes fail in msn.net.
I'd expect my newsreader to report a different error for a
non-existent server, but it could be that to my news reader, there's
no difference between a DNS lookup that points to a non-existent
server and a server that does not carry the requested newsgroups.

That is, there is still a DNS record with an IP address for
msnews.microsoft.com, but there may be no machine there any longer
-- impossible to say with the available tools.

I just posted something today and I'm seeing it in the NG on my
end.

It's quite clear that most people really don't understand how Usenet
works. The closing of msnews.microsoft.dom does not end the existing
of any newsgroups propagated to other news servers, as long as those
news servers don't remove them.

But my posts about msnews.microsoft.com have only been about that
one news server, not about the availability of the newsgroups on
Usenet, which is a network completely independent of any single news
server.

If there is a problem, how about comp.databases.ms-access as a
replacement? It has a pretty long history.

I don't see any reason why we can't continue to use the
microsoft.public.access.* newsgroups. I don't care for the
organization, but it seems to work for most people.