Microsoft Office Ultimate 2007 WHY???

R

RIckP

I just want to know WHY? Why did Microsoft decide to change the familiar
pull down menus to the new graphical ribbons without allowing for the option
to use the pull down menus if you decide that was better for you. They have
basically taken all the commands and relocated them. I have been wasting
hours and hours trying to find where commands have gone and I am about to
delete 2007 and go back to 2003. I don't want to have a "cheat sheet" cross
reference that I have to keep looking at, and I don't want to re-learn
Microsoft Office. Please just put an option for the old command pull down
menus. I am so disappointed in both Office 2007 and in Vista!
 
M

Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Sorry to hear about your disappointment. Progress always means that someone is upset.

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After furious head scratching, RIckP asked:

| I just want to know WHY? Why did Microsoft decide to change the
| familiar pull down menus to the new graphical ribbons without
| allowing for the option to use the pull down menus if you decide that
| was better for you. They have basically taken all the commands and
| relocated them. I have been wasting hours and hours trying to find
| where commands have gone and I am about to delete 2007 and go back to
| 2003. I don't want to have a "cheat sheet" cross reference that I
| have to keep looking at, and I don't want to re-learn Microsoft
| Office. Please just put an option for the old command pull down
| menus. I am so disappointed in both Office 2007 and in Vista!
 
J

JoAnn Paules

I b*tched about the change as well. It's not that I am against change but I
just didn't like the ribbon.

Well, it's been about a week since I got my new comouter with Vista and
Office 2007. Slowly but surely I'm getting used to it. I haven't done a
whole lot that involves the new interface but *so far* everything I've
needed has been very easy to find.

I've spent most of my computer time this week trying to get things set up
the way I want it and get my programs installed. I intend to spend more time
with the ribbon next week. Funny thing is that at work I find myself trying
to do something the "new way" on my work computer that is running Win XP and
Office 2003. And IE6 - UGH!!

--

JoAnn Paules
Microsoft MVP - Publisher



"Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
Sorry to hear about your disappointment. Progress always means that someone
is upset.

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.

After furious head scratching, RIckP asked:

| I just want to know WHY? Why did Microsoft decide to change the
| familiar pull down menus to the new graphical ribbons without
| allowing for the option to use the pull down menus if you decide that
| was better for you. They have basically taken all the commands and
| relocated them. I have been wasting hours and hours trying to find
| where commands have gone and I am about to delete 2007 and go back to
| 2003. I don't want to have a "cheat sheet" cross reference that I
| have to keep looking at, and I don't want to re-learn Microsoft
| Office. Please just put an option for the old command pull down
| menus. I am so disappointed in both Office 2007 and in Vista!
 
R

RIckP

Believe me, I am not against change either. But there needed to be a
transition from old to new. The certainly could have provided an addin that
provided the familiar pull down menus complete with any new features that
might be available. Instead, they put everything in a blender and then tell
you that it is better for you this way. I spent 2 hours trying to figure how
to turn off sheet protection in Excel. I can't afford to go through a 2 week
learning curve on my system where I am no longer productive during that time.
I can't run both 2007 and 2003 on the same machine easily! One to do my
work, and the other to play with and learn.

Vista is even worse!
 
J

JoAnn Paules

I read your post and was curious just how difficult it was to find that
information. I opened Excel 2007 for the *first time*, hit F1, and typed
"sheet protection" in the search field. The very first hit told me who to
find that command.

I don't mean to sound nasty but if you were digging around for two hours
looking for a command and you never tried the built-in Help files, shame on
you. If you were anxious to use the new version of office, there's been a
trial version online for a couple of months now. You could have had that
two-week learning curve done before Zasu Pitts's birthday. (Let's see how
quick you are about looking things up now.)

--

JoAnn Paules
Microsoft MVP - Publisher



RIckP said:
Believe me, I am not against change either. But there needed to be a
transition from old to new. The certainly could have provided an addin
that
provided the familiar pull down menus complete with any new features that
might be available. Instead, they put everything in a blender and then
tell
you that it is better for you this way. I spent 2 hours trying to figure
how
to turn off sheet protection in Excel. I can't afford to go through a 2
week
learning curve on my system where I am no longer productive during that
time.
I can't run both 2007 and 2003 on the same machine easily! One to do my
work, and the other to play with and learn.

Vista is even worse!

JoAnn Paules said:
I b*tched about the change as well. It's not that I am against change but
I
just didn't like the ribbon.

Well, it's been about a week since I got my new comouter with Vista and
Office 2007. Slowly but surely I'm getting used to it. I haven't done a
whole lot that involves the new interface but *so far* everything I've
needed has been very easy to find.

I've spent most of my computer time this week trying to get things set up
the way I want it and get my programs installed. I intend to spend more
time
with the ribbon next week. Funny thing is that at work I find myself
trying
to do something the "new way" on my work computer that is running Win XP
and
Office 2003. And IE6 - UGH!!

--

JoAnn Paules
Microsoft MVP - Publisher



"Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
Sorry to hear about your disappointment. Progress always means that
someone
is upset.

--Â
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.

After furious head scratching, RIckP asked:

| I just want to know WHY? Why did Microsoft decide to change the
| familiar pull down menus to the new graphical ribbons without
| allowing for the option to use the pull down menus if you decide that
| was better for you. They have basically taken all the commands and
| relocated them. I have been wasting hours and hours trying to find
| where commands have gone and I am about to delete 2007 and go back to
| 2003. I don't want to have a "cheat sheet" cross reference that I
| have to keep looking at, and I don't want to re-learn Microsoft
| Office. Please just put an option for the old command pull down
| menus. I am so disappointed in both Office 2007 and in Vista!
 
J

JoAnn Paules

And I was using Word when it was still DOS. Talk about a change.

Sometimes you have to use Help. Give it a little time.Those who have been
using it have said that even tho they fought change, it wasn't all that bad.

--

JoAnn Paules
Microsoft MVP - Publisher



RIckP said:
I think you have missed my point! Why should I have to hit F1 and look up
the command for every bloody command out there. I have been working with
Microsoft Office from back in the days of Windows 3.1 Microsoft missed
the
boat by not providing a transition. They even had transistions for
WordPerfect users at one point in time. Let's face it, there is not lots
of
NEW features, it just appears that way because EVERYTHING is rearranged.
Quite frankly, If I had an alternative, I would replace the entire suite
as
it is really beginning to grate on me.

JoAnn Paules said:
I read your post and was curious just how difficult it was to find that
information. I opened Excel 2007 for the *first time*, hit F1, and typed
"sheet protection" in the search field. The very first hit told me who to
find that command.

I don't mean to sound nasty but if you were digging around for two hours
looking for a command and you never tried the built-in Help files, shame
on
you. If you were anxious to use the new version of office, there's been a
trial version online for a couple of months now. You could have had that
two-week learning curve done before Zasu Pitts's birthday. (Let's see how
quick you are about looking things up now.)

--

JoAnn Paules
Microsoft MVP - Publisher



RIckP said:
Believe me, I am not against change either. But there needed to be a
transition from old to new. The certainly could have provided an addin
that
provided the familiar pull down menus complete with any new features
that
might be available. Instead, they put everything in a blender and then
tell
you that it is better for you this way. I spent 2 hours trying to
figure
how
to turn off sheet protection in Excel. I can't afford to go through a
2
week
learning curve on my system where I am no longer productive during that
time.
I can't run both 2007 and 2003 on the same machine easily! One to do
my
work, and the other to play with and learn.

Vista is even worse!

:

I b*tched about the change as well. It's not that I am against change
but
I
just didn't like the ribbon.

Well, it's been about a week since I got my new comouter with Vista
and
Office 2007. Slowly but surely I'm getting used to it. I haven't done
a
whole lot that involves the new interface but *so far* everything I've
needed has been very easy to find.

I've spent most of my computer time this week trying to get things set
up
the way I want it and get my programs installed. I intend to spend
more
time
with the ribbon next week. Funny thing is that at work I find myself
trying
to do something the "new way" on my work computer that is running Win
XP
and
Office 2003. And IE6 - UGH!!

--

JoAnn Paules
Microsoft MVP - Publisher



"Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
Sorry to hear about your disappointment. Progress always means that
someone
is upset.

--Â
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.

After furious head scratching, RIckP asked:

| I just want to know WHY? Why did Microsoft decide to change the
| familiar pull down menus to the new graphical ribbons without
| allowing for the option to use the pull down menus if you decide
that
| was better for you. They have basically taken all the commands and
| relocated them. I have been wasting hours and hours trying to find
| where commands have gone and I am about to delete 2007 and go back
to
| 2003. I don't want to have a "cheat sheet" cross reference that I
| have to keep looking at, and I don't want to re-learn Microsoft
| Office. Please just put an option for the old command pull down
| menus. I am so disappointed in both Office 2007 and in Vista!
 
R

RIckP

You helped me make up my mind. I am de-installing the Ultimate Office
disaster and I am deinstalling marvelous Vista and I am asking for my money
back. As far as I am concerned, they are not ready for prime time and I hate
them both. And don't ever try to tell me they have intuitive
interfaces....because they DON'T!!!


RIckP said:
I think you have missed my point! Why should I have to hit F1 and look up
the command for every bloody command out there. I have been working with
Microsoft Office from back in the days of Windows 3.1 Microsoft missed the
boat by not providing a transition. They even had transistions for
WordPerfect users at one point in time. Let's face it, there is not lots of
NEW features, it just appears that way because EVERYTHING is rearranged.
Quite frankly, If I had an alternative, I would replace the entire suite as
it is really beginning to grate on me.

JoAnn Paules said:
I read your post and was curious just how difficult it was to find that
information. I opened Excel 2007 for the *first time*, hit F1, and typed
"sheet protection" in the search field. The very first hit told me who to
find that command.

I don't mean to sound nasty but if you were digging around for two hours
looking for a command and you never tried the built-in Help files, shame on
you. If you were anxious to use the new version of office, there's been a
trial version online for a couple of months now. You could have had that
two-week learning curve done before Zasu Pitts's birthday. (Let's see how
quick you are about looking things up now.)

--

JoAnn Paules
Microsoft MVP - Publisher



RIckP said:
Believe me, I am not against change either. But there needed to be a
transition from old to new. The certainly could have provided an addin
that
provided the familiar pull down menus complete with any new features that
might be available. Instead, they put everything in a blender and then
tell
you that it is better for you this way. I spent 2 hours trying to figure
how
to turn off sheet protection in Excel. I can't afford to go through a 2
week
learning curve on my system where I am no longer productive during that
time.
I can't run both 2007 and 2003 on the same machine easily! One to do my
work, and the other to play with and learn.

Vista is even worse!

:

I b*tched about the change as well. It's not that I am against change but
I
just didn't like the ribbon.

Well, it's been about a week since I got my new comouter with Vista and
Office 2007. Slowly but surely I'm getting used to it. I haven't done a
whole lot that involves the new interface but *so far* everything I've
needed has been very easy to find.

I've spent most of my computer time this week trying to get things set up
the way I want it and get my programs installed. I intend to spend more
time
with the ribbon next week. Funny thing is that at work I find myself
trying
to do something the "new way" on my work computer that is running Win XP
and
Office 2003. And IE6 - UGH!!

--

JoAnn Paules
Microsoft MVP - Publisher



"Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
Sorry to hear about your disappointment. Progress always means that
someone
is upset.

--Â
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.

After furious head scratching, RIckP asked:

| I just want to know WHY? Why did Microsoft decide to change the
| familiar pull down menus to the new graphical ribbons without
| allowing for the option to use the pull down menus if you decide that
| was better for you. They have basically taken all the commands and
| relocated them. I have been wasting hours and hours trying to find
| where commands have gone and I am about to delete 2007 and go back to
| 2003. I don't want to have a "cheat sheet" cross reference that I
| have to keep looking at, and I don't want to re-learn Microsoft
| Office. Please just put an option for the old command pull down
| menus. I am so disappointed in both Office 2007 and in Vista!
 
M

Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

One man's meat... etc.

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.

After furious head scratching, RIckP asked:

| You helped me make up my mind. I am de-installing the Ultimate Office
| disaster and I am deinstalling marvelous Vista and I am asking for my
| money back. As far as I am concerned, they are not ready for prime
| time and I hate them both. And don't ever try to tell me they have
| intuitive interfaces....because they DON'T!!!
|
|
| "RIckP" wrote:
|
|| I think you have missed my point! Why should I have to hit F1 and
|| look up the command for every bloody command out there. I have been
|| working with Microsoft Office from back in the days of Windows 3.1
|| Microsoft missed the boat by not providing a transition. They even
|| had transistions for WordPerfect users at one point in time. Let's
|| face it, there is not lots of NEW features, it just appears that way
|| because EVERYTHING is rearranged. Quite frankly, If I had an
|| alternative, I would replace the entire suite as it is really
|| beginning to grate on me.
||
|| "JoAnn Paules" wrote:
||
||| I read your post and was curious just how difficult it was to find
||| that information. I opened Excel 2007 for the *first time*, hit F1,
||| and typed "sheet protection" in the search field. The very first
||| hit told me who to find that command.
|||
||| I don't mean to sound nasty but if you were digging around for two
||| hours looking for a command and you never tried the built-in Help
||| files, shame on you. If you were anxious to use the new version of
||| office, there's been a trial version online for a couple of months
||| now. You could have had that two-week learning curve done before
||| Zasu Pitts's birthday. (Let's see how quick you are about looking
||| things up now.)
|||
||| --
|||
||| JoAnn Paules
||| Microsoft MVP - Publisher
|||
|||
|||
||| |||| Believe me, I am not against change either. But there needed to
|||| be a transition from old to new. The certainly could have
|||| provided an addin that
|||| provided the familiar pull down menus complete with any new
|||| features that might be available. Instead, they put everything in
|||| a blender and then tell
|||| you that it is better for you this way. I spent 2 hours trying to
|||| figure how
|||| to turn off sheet protection in Excel. I can't afford to go
|||| through a 2 week
|||| learning curve on my system where I am no longer productive during
|||| that time.
|||| I can't run both 2007 and 2003 on the same machine easily! One to
|||| do my work, and the other to play with and learn.
||||
|||| Vista is even worse!
||||
|||| "JoAnn Paules" wrote:
||||
||||| I b*tched about the change as well. It's not that I am against
||||| change but I
||||| just didn't like the ribbon.
|||||
||||| Well, it's been about a week since I got my new comouter with
||||| Vista and Office 2007. Slowly but surely I'm getting used to it.
||||| I haven't done a whole lot that involves the new interface but
||||| *so far* everything I've needed has been very easy to find.
|||||
||||| I've spent most of my computer time this week trying to get
||||| things set up the way I want it and get my programs installed. I
||||| intend to spend more time
||||| with the ribbon next week. Funny thing is that at work I find
||||| myself trying
||||| to do something the "new way" on my work computer that is running
||||| Win XP and
||||| Office 2003. And IE6 - UGH!!
|||||
||||| --
|||||
||||| JoAnn Paules
||||| Microsoft MVP - Publisher
|||||
|||||
|||||
||||| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
||||| ||||| Sorry to hear about your disappointment. Progress always means
||||| that someone
||||| is upset.
|||||
||||| --Â
||||| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
|||||
||||| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
||||| unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted
||||| without reading.
|||||
||||| After furious head scratching, RIckP asked:
|||||
|||||| I just want to know WHY? Why did Microsoft decide to change the
|||||| familiar pull down menus to the new graphical ribbons without
|||||| allowing for the option to use the pull down menus if you decide
|||||| that was better for you. They have basically taken all the
|||||| commands and relocated them. I have been wasting hours and
|||||| hours trying to find where commands have gone and I am about to
|||||| delete 2007 and go back to 2003. I don't want to have a "cheat
|||||| sheet" cross reference that I have to keep looking at, and I
|||||| don't want to re-learn Microsoft Office. Please just put an
|||||| option for the old command pull down menus. I am so
|||||| disappointed in both Office 2007 and in Vista!
 
R

RIckP

And what exactly do you mean by that? You have no right to be insulting just
because someone differs with YOUR opinion. You should be ashamed of
yourself!

Milly Staples said:
One man's meat... etc.

--Â
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.

After furious head scratching, RIckP asked:

| You helped me make up my mind. I am de-installing the Ultimate Office
| disaster and I am deinstalling marvelous Vista and I am asking for my
| money back. As far as I am concerned, they are not ready for prime
| time and I hate them both. And don't ever try to tell me they have
| intuitive interfaces....because they DON'T!!!
|
|
| "RIckP" wrote:
|
|| I think you have missed my point! Why should I have to hit F1 and
|| look up the command for every bloody command out there. I have been
|| working with Microsoft Office from back in the days of Windows 3.1
|| Microsoft missed the boat by not providing a transition. They even
|| had transistions for WordPerfect users at one point in time. Let's
|| face it, there is not lots of NEW features, it just appears that way
|| because EVERYTHING is rearranged. Quite frankly, If I had an
|| alternative, I would replace the entire suite as it is really
|| beginning to grate on me.
||
|| "JoAnn Paules" wrote:
||
||| I read your post and was curious just how difficult it was to find
||| that information. I opened Excel 2007 for the *first time*, hit F1,
||| and typed "sheet protection" in the search field. The very first
||| hit told me who to find that command.
|||
||| I don't mean to sound nasty but if you were digging around for two
||| hours looking for a command and you never tried the built-in Help
||| files, shame on you. If you were anxious to use the new version of
||| office, there's been a trial version online for a couple of months
||| now. You could have had that two-week learning curve done before
||| Zasu Pitts's birthday. (Let's see how quick you are about looking
||| things up now.)
|||
||| --
|||
||| JoAnn Paules
||| Microsoft MVP - Publisher
|||
|||
|||
||| |||| Believe me, I am not against change either. But there needed to
|||| be a transition from old to new. The certainly could have
|||| provided an addin that
|||| provided the familiar pull down menus complete with any new
|||| features that might be available. Instead, they put everything in
|||| a blender and then tell
|||| you that it is better for you this way. I spent 2 hours trying to
|||| figure how
|||| to turn off sheet protection in Excel. I can't afford to go
|||| through a 2 week
|||| learning curve on my system where I am no longer productive during
|||| that time.
|||| I can't run both 2007 and 2003 on the same machine easily! One to
|||| do my work, and the other to play with and learn.
||||
|||| Vista is even worse!
||||
|||| "JoAnn Paules" wrote:
||||
||||| I b*tched about the change as well. It's not that I am against
||||| change but I
||||| just didn't like the ribbon.
|||||
||||| Well, it's been about a week since I got my new comouter with
||||| Vista and Office 2007. Slowly but surely I'm getting used to it.
||||| I haven't done a whole lot that involves the new interface but
||||| *so far* everything I've needed has been very easy to find.
|||||
||||| I've spent most of my computer time this week trying to get
||||| things set up the way I want it and get my programs installed. I
||||| intend to spend more time
||||| with the ribbon next week. Funny thing is that at work I find
||||| myself trying
||||| to do something the "new way" on my work computer that is running
||||| Win XP and
||||| Office 2003. And IE6 - UGH!!
|||||
||||| --
|||||
||||| JoAnn Paules
||||| Microsoft MVP - Publisher
|||||
|||||
|||||
||||| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
||||| ||||| Sorry to hear about your disappointment. Progress always means
||||| that someone
||||| is upset.
|||||
||||| --ÂÂ
||||| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
|||||
||||| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
||||| unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted
||||| without reading.
|||||
||||| After furious head scratching, RIckP asked:
|||||
|||||| I just want to know WHY? Why did Microsoft decide to change the
|||||| familiar pull down menus to the new graphical ribbons without
|||||| allowing for the option to use the pull down menus if you decide
|||||| that was better for you. They have basically taken all the
|||||| commands and relocated them. I have been wasting hours and
|||||| hours trying to find where commands have gone and I am about to
|||||| delete 2007 and go back to 2003. I don't want to have a "cheat
|||||| sheet" cross reference that I have to keep looking at, and I
|||||| don't want to re-learn Microsoft Office. Please just put an
|||||| option for the old command pull down menus. I am so
|||||| disappointed in both Office 2007 and in Vista!
 
M

Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Huh??!! It is a simple comment saying that what one man likes the other may despise. If you took it as an insult, you are reading way too much into a simple comment. Lighten up!!

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.

After furious head scratching, RIckP asked:

| And what exactly do you mean by that? You have no right to be
| insulting just because someone differs with YOUR opinion. You should
| be ashamed of yourself!
|
| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote:
|
|| One man's meat... etc.
||
|| --Â
|| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||
|| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
|| unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
|| reading.
||
|| After furious head scratching, RIckP asked:
||
||| You helped me make up my mind. I am de-installing the Ultimate
||| Office disaster and I am deinstalling marvelous Vista and I am
||| asking for my money back. As far as I am concerned, they are not
||| ready for prime time and I hate them both. And don't ever try to
||| tell me they have intuitive interfaces....because they DON'T!!!
|||
|||
||| "RIckP" wrote:
|||
|||| I think you have missed my point! Why should I have to hit F1 and
|||| look up the command for every bloody command out there. I have
|||| been working with Microsoft Office from back in the days of
|||| Windows 3.1 Microsoft missed the boat by not providing a
|||| transition. They even had transistions for WordPerfect users at
|||| one point in time. Let's face it, there is not lots of NEW
|||| features, it just appears that way because EVERYTHING is
|||| rearranged. Quite frankly, If I had an alternative, I would
|||| replace the entire suite as it is really beginning to grate on me.
||||
|||| "JoAnn Paules" wrote:
||||
||||| I read your post and was curious just how difficult it was to find
||||| that information. I opened Excel 2007 for the *first time*, hit
||||| F1, and typed "sheet protection" in the search field. The very
||||| first hit told me who to find that command.
|||||
||||| I don't mean to sound nasty but if you were digging around for two
||||| hours looking for a command and you never tried the built-in Help
||||| files, shame on you. If you were anxious to use the new version of
||||| office, there's been a trial version online for a couple of months
||||| now. You could have had that two-week learning curve done before
||||| Zasu Pitts's birthday. (Let's see how quick you are about looking
||||| things up now.)
|||||
||||| --
|||||
||||| JoAnn Paules
||||| Microsoft MVP - Publisher
|||||
|||||
|||||
||||| |||||| Believe me, I am not against change either. But there needed to
|||||| be a transition from old to new. The certainly could have
|||||| provided an addin that
|||||| provided the familiar pull down menus complete with any new
|||||| features that might be available. Instead, they put everything
|||||| in a blender and then tell
|||||| you that it is better for you this way. I spent 2 hours trying
|||||| to figure how
|||||| to turn off sheet protection in Excel. I can't afford to go
|||||| through a 2 week
|||||| learning curve on my system where I am no longer productive
|||||| during that time.
|||||| I can't run both 2007 and 2003 on the same machine easily! One
|||||| to do my work, and the other to play with and learn.
||||||
|||||| Vista is even worse!
||||||
|||||| "JoAnn Paules" wrote:
||||||
||||||| I b*tched about the change as well. It's not that I am against
||||||| change but I
||||||| just didn't like the ribbon.
|||||||
||||||| Well, it's been about a week since I got my new comouter with
||||||| Vista and Office 2007. Slowly but surely I'm getting used to it.
||||||| I haven't done a whole lot that involves the new interface but
||||||| *so far* everything I've needed has been very easy to find.
|||||||
||||||| I've spent most of my computer time this week trying to get
||||||| things set up the way I want it and get my programs installed. I
||||||| intend to spend more time
||||||| with the ribbon next week. Funny thing is that at work I find
||||||| myself trying
||||||| to do something the "new way" on my work computer that is
||||||| running Win XP and
||||||| Office 2003. And IE6 - UGH!!
|||||||
||||||| --
|||||||
||||||| JoAnn Paules
||||||| Microsoft MVP - Publisher
|||||||
|||||||
|||||||
||||||| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
||||||| ||||||| Sorry to hear about your disappointment. Progress always means
||||||| that someone
||||||| is upset.
|||||||
||||||| --ÂÂ
||||||| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
|||||||
||||||| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.
||||||| All unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted
||||||| without reading.
|||||||
||||||| After furious head scratching, RIckP asked:
|||||||
|||||||| I just want to know WHY? Why did Microsoft decide to change
|||||||| the familiar pull down menus to the new graphical ribbons
|||||||| without allowing for the option to use the pull down menus if
|||||||| you decide that was better for you. They have basically taken
|||||||| all the commands and relocated them. I have been wasting
|||||||| hours and hours trying to find where commands have gone and I
|||||||| am about to delete 2007 and go back to 2003. I don't want to
|||||||| have a "cheat sheet" cross reference that I have to keep
|||||||| looking at, and I don't want to re-learn Microsoft Office.
|||||||| Please just put an option for the old command pull down menus.
|||||||| I am so disappointed in both Office 2007 and in Vista!
 
R

RIckP

You start out in your thread being condescending to me and because my opinion
differed from yours, I was immediately wrong!. Then you come back and insult
me, and finally you are audacious enough to tell me to "lighten up". Do me a
favor, don't reply to any more of my comments, as I don't want to discuss
this with you any further.

Milly Staples said:
Huh??!! It is a simple comment saying that what one man likes the other may despise. If you took it as an insult, you are reading way too much into a simple comment. Lighten up!!

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.

After furious head scratching, RIckP asked:

| And what exactly do you mean by that? You have no right to be
| insulting just because someone differs with YOUR opinion. You should
| be ashamed of yourself!
|
| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote:
|
|| One man's meat... etc.
||
|| --ÂÂ
|| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||
|| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
|| unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
|| reading.
||
|| After furious head scratching, RIckP asked:
||
||| You helped me make up my mind. I am de-installing the Ultimate
||| Office disaster and I am deinstalling marvelous Vista and I am
||| asking for my money back. As far as I am concerned, they are not
||| ready for prime time and I hate them both. And don't ever try to
||| tell me they have intuitive interfaces....because they DON'T!!!
|||
|||
||| "RIckP" wrote:
|||
|||| I think you have missed my point! Why should I have to hit F1 and
|||| look up the command for every bloody command out there. I have
|||| been working with Microsoft Office from back in the days of
|||| Windows 3.1 Microsoft missed the boat by not providing a
|||| transition. They even had transistions for WordPerfect users at
|||| one point in time. Let's face it, there is not lots of NEW
|||| features, it just appears that way because EVERYTHING is
|||| rearranged. Quite frankly, If I had an alternative, I would
|||| replace the entire suite as it is really beginning to grate on me.
||||
|||| "JoAnn Paules" wrote:
||||
||||| I read your post and was curious just how difficult it was to find
||||| that information. I opened Excel 2007 for the *first time*, hit
||||| F1, and typed "sheet protection" in the search field. The very
||||| first hit told me who to find that command.
|||||
||||| I don't mean to sound nasty but if you were digging around for two
||||| hours looking for a command and you never tried the built-in Help
||||| files, shame on you. If you were anxious to use the new version of
||||| office, there's been a trial version online for a couple of months
||||| now. You could have had that two-week learning curve done before
||||| Zasu Pitts's birthday. (Let's see how quick you are about looking
||||| things up now.)
|||||
||||| --
|||||
||||| JoAnn Paules
||||| Microsoft MVP - Publisher
|||||
|||||
|||||
||||| |||||| Believe me, I am not against change either. But there needed to
|||||| be a transition from old to new. The certainly could have
|||||| provided an addin that
|||||| provided the familiar pull down menus complete with any new
|||||| features that might be available. Instead, they put everything
|||||| in a blender and then tell
|||||| you that it is better for you this way. I spent 2 hours trying
|||||| to figure how
|||||| to turn off sheet protection in Excel. I can't afford to go
|||||| through a 2 week
|||||| learning curve on my system where I am no longer productive
|||||| during that time.
|||||| I can't run both 2007 and 2003 on the same machine easily! One
|||||| to do my work, and the other to play with and learn.
||||||
|||||| Vista is even worse!
||||||
|||||| "JoAnn Paules" wrote:
||||||
||||||| I b*tched about the change as well. It's not that I am against
||||||| change but I
||||||| just didn't like the ribbon.
|||||||
||||||| Well, it's been about a week since I got my new comouter with
||||||| Vista and Office 2007. Slowly but surely I'm getting used to it.
||||||| I haven't done a whole lot that involves the new interface but
||||||| *so far* everything I've needed has been very easy to find.
|||||||
||||||| I've spent most of my computer time this week trying to get
||||||| things set up the way I want it and get my programs installed. I
||||||| intend to spend more time
||||||| with the ribbon next week. Funny thing is that at work I find
||||||| myself trying
||||||| to do something the "new way" on my work computer that is
||||||| running Win XP and
||||||| Office 2003. And IE6 - UGH!!
|||||||
||||||| --
|||||||
||||||| JoAnn Paules
||||||| Microsoft MVP - Publisher
|||||||
|||||||
|||||||
||||||| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
||||||| ||||||| Sorry to hear about your disappointment. Progress always means
||||||| that someone
||||||| is upset.
|||||||
||||||| --ÂÂÂ
||||||| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
|||||||
||||||| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.
||||||| All unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted
||||||| without reading.
|||||||
||||||| After furious head scratching, RIckP asked:
|||||||
|||||||| I just want to know WHY? Why did Microsoft decide to change
|||||||| the familiar pull down menus to the new graphical ribbons
|||||||| without allowing for the option to use the pull down menus if
|||||||| you decide that was better for you. They have basically taken
|||||||| all the commands and relocated them. I have been wasting
|||||||| hours and hours trying to find where commands have gone and I
|||||||| am about to delete 2007 and go back to 2003. I don't want to
|||||||| have a "cheat sheet" cross reference that I have to keep
|||||||| looking at, and I don't want to re-learn Microsoft Office.
|||||||| Please just put an option for the old command pull down menus.
|||||||| I am so disappointed in both Office 2007 and in Vista!
 
M

Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

My original comment:

"Sorry to hear about your disappointment. Progress always means that someone is upset."

So, where in this comment am I condescending? I sympathized with your response to Office 2007 GUI and made a simple statement saying that progress will always upset some people.

Like I said before, you have the thinnest skin of anyone I have ever tried to reply to and REALLY need to lighten up. Being that defensive in a public forum must take up all of your energies looking for insults where they don't exist.

Now here is a person who richly deserves the killfile option. Think I will take advantage of that.

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.

After furious head scratching, RIckP asked:

| You start out in your thread being condescending to me and because my
| opinion differed from yours, I was immediately wrong!. Then you come
| back and insult me, and finally you are audacious enough to tell me
| to "lighten up". Do me a favor, don't reply to any more of my
| comments, as I don't want to discuss this with you any further.
|
| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote:
|
|| Huh??!! It is a simple comment saying that what one man likes the
|| other may despise. If you took it as an insult, you are reading way
|| too much into a simple comment. Lighten up!!
||
|| --
|| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||
|| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.
||
|| After furious head scratching, RIckP asked:
||
||| And what exactly do you mean by that? You have no right to be
||| insulting just because someone differs with YOUR opinion. You
||| should be ashamed of yourself!
|||
||| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote:
|||
|||| One man's meat... etc.
||||
|||| --ÂÂ
|||| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||||
|||| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
|||| unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted
|||| without reading.
||||
|||| After furious head scratching, RIckP asked:
||||
||||| You helped me make up my mind. I am de-installing the Ultimate
||||| Office disaster and I am deinstalling marvelous Vista and I am
||||| asking for my money back. As far as I am concerned, they are not
||||| ready for prime time and I hate them both. And don't ever try to
||||| tell me they have intuitive interfaces....because they DON'T!!!
|||||
|||||
||||| "RIckP" wrote:
|||||
|||||| I think you have missed my point! Why should I have to hit F1
|||||| and look up the command for every bloody command out there. I
|||||| have been working with Microsoft Office from back in the days of
|||||| Windows 3.1 Microsoft missed the boat by not providing a
|||||| transition. They even had transistions for WordPerfect users at
|||||| one point in time. Let's face it, there is not lots of NEW
|||||| features, it just appears that way because EVERYTHING is
|||||| rearranged. Quite frankly, If I had an alternative, I would
|||||| replace the entire suite as it is really beginning to grate on
|||||| me.
||||||
|||||| "JoAnn Paules" wrote:
||||||
||||||| I read your post and was curious just how difficult it was to
||||||| find that information. I opened Excel 2007 for the *first
||||||| time*, hit F1, and typed "sheet protection" in the search
||||||| field. The very first hit told me who to find that command.
|||||||
||||||| I don't mean to sound nasty but if you were digging around for
||||||| two hours looking for a command and you never tried the
||||||| built-in Help files, shame on you. If you were anxious to use
||||||| the new version of office, there's been a trial version online
||||||| for a couple of months now. You could have had that two-week
||||||| learning curve done before Zasu Pitts's birthday. (Let's see
||||||| how quick you are about looking things up now.)
|||||||
||||||| --
|||||||
||||||| JoAnn Paules
||||||| Microsoft MVP - Publisher
|||||||
|||||||
|||||||
||||||| |||||||| Believe me, I am not against change either. But there needed
|||||||| to be a transition from old to new. The certainly could have
|||||||| provided an addin that
|||||||| provided the familiar pull down menus complete with any new
|||||||| features that might be available. Instead, they put everything
|||||||| in a blender and then tell
|||||||| you that it is better for you this way. I spent 2 hours trying
|||||||| to figure how
|||||||| to turn off sheet protection in Excel. I can't afford to go
|||||||| through a 2 week
|||||||| learning curve on my system where I am no longer productive
|||||||| during that time.
|||||||| I can't run both 2007 and 2003 on the same machine easily! One
|||||||| to do my work, and the other to play with and learn.
||||||||
|||||||| Vista is even worse!
||||||||
|||||||| "JoAnn Paules" wrote:
||||||||
||||||||| I b*tched about the change as well. It's not that I am against
||||||||| change but I
||||||||| just didn't like the ribbon.
|||||||||
||||||||| Well, it's been about a week since I got my new comouter with
||||||||| Vista and Office 2007. Slowly but surely I'm getting used to
||||||||| it. I haven't done a whole lot that involves the new
||||||||| interface but *so far* everything I've needed has been very
||||||||| easy to find.
|||||||||
||||||||| I've spent most of my computer time this week trying to get
||||||||| things set up the way I want it and get my programs
||||||||| installed. I intend to spend more time
||||||||| with the ribbon next week. Funny thing is that at work I find
||||||||| myself trying
||||||||| to do something the "new way" on my work computer that is
||||||||| running Win XP and
||||||||| Office 2003. And IE6 - UGH!!
|||||||||
||||||||| --
|||||||||
||||||||| JoAnn Paules
||||||||| Microsoft MVP - Publisher
|||||||||
|||||||||
|||||||||
||||||||| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
||||||||| message ||||||||| Sorry to hear about your disappointment. Progress always
||||||||| means that someone
||||||||| is upset.
|||||||||
||||||||| --ÂÂÂ
||||||||| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
|||||||||
||||||||| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.
||||||||| All unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be
||||||||| deleted without reading.
|||||||||
||||||||| After furious head scratching, RIckP asked:
|||||||||
|||||||||| I just want to know WHY? Why did Microsoft decide to change
|||||||||| the familiar pull down menus to the new graphical ribbons
|||||||||| without allowing for the option to use the pull down menus if
|||||||||| you decide that was better for you. They have basically
|||||||||| taken all the commands and relocated them. I have been
|||||||||| wasting hours and hours trying to find where commands have
|||||||||| gone and I am about to delete 2007 and go back to 2003. I
|||||||||| don't want to have a "cheat sheet" cross reference that I
|||||||||| have to keep looking at, and I don't want to re-learn
|||||||||| Microsoft Office. Please just put an option for the old
|||||||||| command pull down menus. I am so disappointed in both Office
|||||||||| 2007 and in Vista!
 
K

Kelly Cobean

Here is a possible "Transition " tool that has been provided by MS

http://officebeta.iponet.net/en-us/help/HA100744321033.aspx


My original comment:

"Sorry to hear about your disappointment. Progress always means that
someone is upset."

So, where in this comment am I condescending? I sympathized with your
response to Office 2007 GUI and made a simple statement saying that progress
will always upset some people.

Like I said before, you have the thinnest skin of anyone I have ever tried
to reply to and REALLY need to lighten up. Being that defensive in a public
forum must take up all of your energies looking for insults where they don't
exist.

Now here is a person who richly deserves the killfile option. Think I will
take advantage of that.

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.

After furious head scratching, RIckP asked:

| You start out in your thread being condescending to me and because my
| opinion differed from yours, I was immediately wrong!. Then you come
| back and insult me, and finally you are audacious enough to tell me
| to "lighten up". Do me a favor, don't reply to any more of my
| comments, as I don't want to discuss this with you any further.
|
| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote:
|
|| Huh??!! It is a simple comment saying that what one man likes the
|| other may despise. If you took it as an insult, you are reading way
|| too much into a simple comment. Lighten up!!
||
|| --
|| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||
|| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.
||
|| After furious head scratching, RIckP asked:
||
||| And what exactly do you mean by that? You have no right to be
||| insulting just because someone differs with YOUR opinion. You
||| should be ashamed of yourself!
|||
||| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote:
|||
|||| One man's meat... etc.
||||
|||| --ÂÂ
|||| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||||
|||| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
|||| unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted
|||| without reading.
||||
|||| After furious head scratching, RIckP asked:
||||
||||| You helped me make up my mind. I am de-installing the Ultimate
||||| Office disaster and I am deinstalling marvelous Vista and I am
||||| asking for my money back. As far as I am concerned, they are not
||||| ready for prime time and I hate them both. And don't ever try to
||||| tell me they have intuitive interfaces....because they DON'T!!!
|||||
|||||
||||| "RIckP" wrote:
|||||
|||||| I think you have missed my point! Why should I have to hit F1
|||||| and look up the command for every bloody command out there. I
|||||| have been working with Microsoft Office from back in the days of
|||||| Windows 3.1 Microsoft missed the boat by not providing a
|||||| transition. They even had transistions for WordPerfect users at
|||||| one point in time. Let's face it, there is not lots of NEW
|||||| features, it just appears that way because EVERYTHING is
|||||| rearranged. Quite frankly, If I had an alternative, I would
|||||| replace the entire suite as it is really beginning to grate on
|||||| me.
||||||
|||||| "JoAnn Paules" wrote:
||||||
||||||| I read your post and was curious just how difficult it was to
||||||| find that information. I opened Excel 2007 for the *first
||||||| time*, hit F1, and typed "sheet protection" in the search
||||||| field. The very first hit told me who to find that command.
|||||||
||||||| I don't mean to sound nasty but if you were digging around for
||||||| two hours looking for a command and you never tried the
||||||| built-in Help files, shame on you. If you were anxious to use
||||||| the new version of office, there's been a trial version online
||||||| for a couple of months now. You could have had that two-week
||||||| learning curve done before Zasu Pitts's birthday. (Let's see
||||||| how quick you are about looking things up now.)
|||||||
||||||| --
|||||||
||||||| JoAnn Paules
||||||| Microsoft MVP - Publisher
|||||||
|||||||
|||||||
||||||| |||||||| Believe me, I am not against change either. But there needed
|||||||| to be a transition from old to new. The certainly could have
|||||||| provided an addin that
|||||||| provided the familiar pull down menus complete with any new
|||||||| features that might be available. Instead, they put everything
|||||||| in a blender and then tell
|||||||| you that it is better for you this way. I spent 2 hours trying
|||||||| to figure how
|||||||| to turn off sheet protection in Excel. I can't afford to go
|||||||| through a 2 week
|||||||| learning curve on my system where I am no longer productive
|||||||| during that time.
|||||||| I can't run both 2007 and 2003 on the same machine easily! One
|||||||| to do my work, and the other to play with and learn.
||||||||
|||||||| Vista is even worse!
||||||||
|||||||| "JoAnn Paules" wrote:
||||||||
||||||||| I b*tched about the change as well. It's not that I am against
||||||||| change but I
||||||||| just didn't like the ribbon.
|||||||||
||||||||| Well, it's been about a week since I got my new comouter with
||||||||| Vista and Office 2007. Slowly but surely I'm getting used to
||||||||| it. I haven't done a whole lot that involves the new
||||||||| interface but *so far* everything I've needed has been very
||||||||| easy to find.
|||||||||
||||||||| I've spent most of my computer time this week trying to get
||||||||| things set up the way I want it and get my programs
||||||||| installed. I intend to spend more time
||||||||| with the ribbon next week. Funny thing is that at work I find
||||||||| myself trying
||||||||| to do something the "new way" on my work computer that is
||||||||| running Win XP and
||||||||| Office 2003. And IE6 - UGH!!
|||||||||
||||||||| --
|||||||||
||||||||| JoAnn Paules
||||||||| Microsoft MVP - Publisher
|||||||||
|||||||||
|||||||||
||||||||| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
||||||||| message ||||||||| Sorry to hear about your disappointment. Progress always
||||||||| means that someone
||||||||| is upset.
|||||||||
||||||||| --ÂÂÂ
||||||||| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
|||||||||
||||||||| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.
||||||||| All unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be
||||||||| deleted without reading.
|||||||||
||||||||| After furious head scratching, RIckP asked:
|||||||||
|||||||||| I just want to know WHY? Why did Microsoft decide to change
|||||||||| the familiar pull down menus to the new graphical ribbons
|||||||||| without allowing for the option to use the pull down menus if
|||||||||| you decide that was better for you. They have basically
|||||||||| taken all the commands and relocated them. I have been
|||||||||| wasting hours and hours trying to find where commands have
|||||||||| gone and I am about to delete 2007 and go back to 2003. I
|||||||||| don't want to have a "cheat sheet" cross reference that I
|||||||||| have to keep looking at, and I don't want to re-learn
|||||||||| Microsoft Office. Please just put an option for the old
|||||||||| command pull down menus. I am so disappointed in both Office
|||||||||| 2007 and in Vista!
 
M

Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Beta programs do not work with released code.

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.

After furious head scratching, Kelly Cobean asked:

| Here is a possible "Transition " tool that has been provided by MS
|
| http://officebeta.iponet.net/en-us/help/HA100744321033.aspx
|
|
| | My original comment:
|
| "Sorry to hear about your disappointment. Progress always means that
| someone is upset."
|
| So, where in this comment am I condescending? I sympathized with your
| response to Office 2007 GUI and made a simple statement saying that
| progress will always upset some people.
|
| Like I said before, you have the thinnest skin of anyone I have ever
| tried to reply to and REALLY need to lighten up. Being that
| defensive in a public forum must take up all of your energies looking
| for insults where they don't exist.
|
| Now here is a person who richly deserves the killfile option. Think
| I will take advantage of that.
|
|
|| You start out in your thread being condescending to me and because my
|| opinion differed from yours, I was immediately wrong!. Then you come
|| back and insult me, and finally you are audacious enough to tell me
|| to "lighten up". Do me a favor, don't reply to any more of my
|| comments, as I don't want to discuss this with you any further.
||
|| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote:
||
||| Huh??!! It is a simple comment saying that what one man likes the
||| other may despise. If you took it as an insult, you are reading way
||| too much into a simple comment. Lighten up!!
|||
||| --
||| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
|||
||| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.
|||
||| After furious head scratching, RIckP asked:
|||
|||| And what exactly do you mean by that? You have no right to be
|||| insulting just because someone differs with YOUR opinion. You
|||| should be ashamed of yourself!
||||
|||| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote:
||||
||||| One man's meat... etc.
|||||
||||| --ÂÂ
||||| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
|||||
||||| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
||||| unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted
||||| without reading.
|||||
||||| After furious head scratching, RIckP asked:
|||||
|||||| You helped me make up my mind. I am de-installing the Ultimate
|||||| Office disaster and I am deinstalling marvelous Vista and I am
|||||| asking for my money back. As far as I am concerned, they are not
|||||| ready for prime time and I hate them both. And don't ever try to
|||||| tell me they have intuitive interfaces....because they DON'T!!!
||||||
||||||
|||||| "RIckP" wrote:
||||||
||||||| I think you have missed my point! Why should I have to hit F1
||||||| and look up the command for every bloody command out there. I
||||||| have been working with Microsoft Office from back in the days of
||||||| Windows 3.1 Microsoft missed the boat by not providing a
||||||| transition. They even had transistions for WordPerfect users at
||||||| one point in time. Let's face it, there is not lots of NEW
||||||| features, it just appears that way because EVERYTHING is
||||||| rearranged. Quite frankly, If I had an alternative, I would
||||||| replace the entire suite as it is really beginning to grate on
||||||| me.
|||||||
||||||| "JoAnn Paules" wrote:
|||||||
|||||||| I read your post and was curious just how difficult it was to
|||||||| find that information. I opened Excel 2007 for the *first
|||||||| time*, hit F1, and typed "sheet protection" in the search
|||||||| field. The very first hit told me who to find that command.
||||||||
|||||||| I don't mean to sound nasty but if you were digging around for
|||||||| two hours looking for a command and you never tried the
|||||||| built-in Help files, shame on you. If you were anxious to use
|||||||| the new version of office, there's been a trial version online
|||||||| for a couple of months now. You could have had that two-week
|||||||| learning curve done before Zasu Pitts's birthday. (Let's see
|||||||| how quick you are about looking things up now.)
||||||||
|||||||| --
||||||||
|||||||| JoAnn Paules
|||||||| Microsoft MVP - Publisher
||||||||
||||||||
||||||||
|||||||| ||||||||| Believe me, I am not against change either. But there needed
||||||||| to be a transition from old to new. The certainly could have
||||||||| provided an addin that
||||||||| provided the familiar pull down menus complete with any new
||||||||| features that might be available. Instead, they put
||||||||| everything in a blender and then tell
||||||||| you that it is better for you this way. I spent 2 hours
||||||||| trying to figure how
||||||||| to turn off sheet protection in Excel. I can't afford to go
||||||||| through a 2 week
||||||||| learning curve on my system where I am no longer productive
||||||||| during that time.
||||||||| I can't run both 2007 and 2003 on the same machine easily!
||||||||| One to do my work, and the other to play with and learn.
|||||||||
||||||||| Vista is even worse!
|||||||||
||||||||| "JoAnn Paules" wrote:
|||||||||
|||||||||| I b*tched about the change as well. It's not that I am
|||||||||| against change but I
|||||||||| just didn't like the ribbon.
||||||||||
|||||||||| Well, it's been about a week since I got my new comouter with
|||||||||| Vista and Office 2007. Slowly but surely I'm getting used to
|||||||||| it. I haven't done a whole lot that involves the new
|||||||||| interface but *so far* everything I've needed has been very
|||||||||| easy to find.
||||||||||
|||||||||| I've spent most of my computer time this week trying to get
|||||||||| things set up the way I want it and get my programs
|||||||||| installed. I intend to spend more time
|||||||||| with the ribbon next week. Funny thing is that at work I find
|||||||||| myself trying
|||||||||| to do something the "new way" on my work computer that is
|||||||||| running Win XP and
|||||||||| Office 2003. And IE6 - UGH!!
||||||||||
|||||||||| --
||||||||||
|||||||||| JoAnn Paules
|||||||||| Microsoft MVP - Publisher
||||||||||
||||||||||
||||||||||
|||||||||| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
|||||||||| message |||||||||| Sorry to hear about your disappointment. Progress always
|||||||||| means that someone
|||||||||| is upset.
||||||||||
|||||||||| --ÂÂÂ
|||||||||| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||||||||||
|||||||||| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.
|||||||||| All unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be
|||||||||| deleted without reading.
||||||||||
|||||||||| After furious head scratching, RIckP asked:
||||||||||
||||||||||| I just want to know WHY? Why did Microsoft decide to change
||||||||||| the familiar pull down menus to the new graphical ribbons
||||||||||| without allowing for the option to use the pull down menus
||||||||||| if you decide that was better for you. They have basically
||||||||||| taken all the commands and relocated them. I have been
||||||||||| wasting hours and hours trying to find where commands have
||||||||||| gone and I am about to delete 2007 and go back to 2003. I
||||||||||| don't want to have a "cheat sheet" cross reference that I
||||||||||| have to keep looking at, and I don't want to re-learn
||||||||||| Microsoft Office. Please just put an option for the old
||||||||||| command pull down menus. I am so disappointed in both Office
||||||||||| 2007 and in Vista!
 
J

JoAnn Paules

Unfortunately there are going to be poeple who are turned off by the
changes. And there are going to be people who prefer the new layout.

Milly knows that I squawked about the changes in the beginning, But I knew
that I was going to have to get over it and get used to it. To my own
credit, I have no problem whatsoever with having to use the F1 key,searching
the web, or using a help manual. I know that intelligence is not having
everything memorized, it's knowing where to find the information you need.

--

JoAnn Paules
Microsoft MVP - Publisher



"Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
Beta programs do not work with released code.

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.

After furious head scratching, Kelly Cobean asked:

| Here is a possible "Transition " tool that has been provided by MS
|
| http://officebeta.iponet.net/en-us/help/HA100744321033.aspx
|
|
| | My original comment:
|
| "Sorry to hear about your disappointment. Progress always means that
| someone is upset."
|
| So, where in this comment am I condescending? I sympathized with your
| response to Office 2007 GUI and made a simple statement saying that
| progress will always upset some people.
|
| Like I said before, you have the thinnest skin of anyone I have ever
| tried to reply to and REALLY need to lighten up. Being that
| defensive in a public forum must take up all of your energies looking
| for insults where they don't exist.
|
| Now here is a person who richly deserves the killfile option. Think
| I will take advantage of that.
|
|
|| You start out in your thread being condescending to me and because my
|| opinion differed from yours, I was immediately wrong!. Then you come
|| back and insult me, and finally you are audacious enough to tell me
|| to "lighten up". Do me a favor, don't reply to any more of my
|| comments, as I don't want to discuss this with you any further.
||
|| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote:
||
||| Huh??!! It is a simple comment saying that what one man likes the
||| other may despise. If you took it as an insult, you are reading way
||| too much into a simple comment. Lighten up!!
|||
||| --
||| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
|||
||| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.
|||
||| After furious head scratching, RIckP asked:
|||
|||| And what exactly do you mean by that? You have no right to be
|||| insulting just because someone differs with YOUR opinion. You
|||| should be ashamed of yourself!
||||
|||| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote:
||||
||||| One man's meat... etc.
|||||
||||| --ÂÂ
||||| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
|||||
||||| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
||||| unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted
||||| without reading.
|||||
||||| After furious head scratching, RIckP asked:
|||||
|||||| You helped me make up my mind. I am de-installing the Ultimate
|||||| Office disaster and I am deinstalling marvelous Vista and I am
|||||| asking for my money back. As far as I am concerned, they are not
|||||| ready for prime time and I hate them both. And don't ever try to
|||||| tell me they have intuitive interfaces....because they DON'T!!!
||||||
||||||
|||||| "RIckP" wrote:
||||||
||||||| I think you have missed my point! Why should I have to hit F1
||||||| and look up the command for every bloody command out there. I
||||||| have been working with Microsoft Office from back in the days of
||||||| Windows 3.1 Microsoft missed the boat by not providing a
||||||| transition. They even had transistions for WordPerfect users at
||||||| one point in time. Let's face it, there is not lots of NEW
||||||| features, it just appears that way because EVERYTHING is
||||||| rearranged. Quite frankly, If I had an alternative, I would
||||||| replace the entire suite as it is really beginning to grate on
||||||| me.
|||||||
||||||| "JoAnn Paules" wrote:
|||||||
|||||||| I read your post and was curious just how difficult it was to
|||||||| find that information. I opened Excel 2007 for the *first
|||||||| time*, hit F1, and typed "sheet protection" in the search
|||||||| field. The very first hit told me who to find that command.
||||||||
|||||||| I don't mean to sound nasty but if you were digging around for
|||||||| two hours looking for a command and you never tried the
|||||||| built-in Help files, shame on you. If you were anxious to use
|||||||| the new version of office, there's been a trial version online
|||||||| for a couple of months now. You could have had that two-week
|||||||| learning curve done before Zasu Pitts's birthday. (Let's see
|||||||| how quick you are about looking things up now.)
||||||||
|||||||| --
||||||||
|||||||| JoAnn Paules
|||||||| Microsoft MVP - Publisher
||||||||
||||||||
||||||||
|||||||| ||||||||| Believe me, I am not against change either. But there needed
||||||||| to be a transition from old to new. The certainly could have
||||||||| provided an addin that
||||||||| provided the familiar pull down menus complete with any new
||||||||| features that might be available. Instead, they put
||||||||| everything in a blender and then tell
||||||||| you that it is better for you this way. I spent 2 hours
||||||||| trying to figure how
||||||||| to turn off sheet protection in Excel. I can't afford to go
||||||||| through a 2 week
||||||||| learning curve on my system where I am no longer productive
||||||||| during that time.
||||||||| I can't run both 2007 and 2003 on the same machine easily!
||||||||| One to do my work, and the other to play with and learn.
|||||||||
||||||||| Vista is even worse!
|||||||||
||||||||| "JoAnn Paules" wrote:
|||||||||
|||||||||| I b*tched about the change as well. It's not that I am
|||||||||| against change but I
|||||||||| just didn't like the ribbon.
||||||||||
|||||||||| Well, it's been about a week since I got my new comouter with
|||||||||| Vista and Office 2007. Slowly but surely I'm getting used to
|||||||||| it. I haven't done a whole lot that involves the new
|||||||||| interface but *so far* everything I've needed has been very
|||||||||| easy to find.
||||||||||
|||||||||| I've spent most of my computer time this week trying to get
|||||||||| things set up the way I want it and get my programs
|||||||||| installed. I intend to spend more time
|||||||||| with the ribbon next week. Funny thing is that at work I find
|||||||||| myself trying
|||||||||| to do something the "new way" on my work computer that is
|||||||||| running Win XP and
|||||||||| Office 2003. And IE6 - UGH!!
||||||||||
|||||||||| --
||||||||||
|||||||||| JoAnn Paules
|||||||||| Microsoft MVP - Publisher
||||||||||
||||||||||
||||||||||
|||||||||| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
|||||||||| message |||||||||| Sorry to hear about your disappointment. Progress always
|||||||||| means that someone
|||||||||| is upset.
||||||||||
|||||||||| --ÂÂÂ
|||||||||| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||||||||||
|||||||||| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.
|||||||||| All unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be
|||||||||| deleted without reading.
||||||||||
|||||||||| After furious head scratching, RIckP asked:
||||||||||
||||||||||| I just want to know WHY? Why did Microsoft decide to change
||||||||||| the familiar pull down menus to the new graphical ribbons
||||||||||| without allowing for the option to use the pull down menus
||||||||||| if you decide that was better for you. They have basically
||||||||||| taken all the commands and relocated them. I have been
||||||||||| wasting hours and hours trying to find where commands have
||||||||||| gone and I am about to delete 2007 and go back to 2003. I
||||||||||| don't want to have a "cheat sheet" cross reference that I
||||||||||| have to keep looking at, and I don't want to re-learn
||||||||||| Microsoft Office. Please just put an option for the old
||||||||||| command pull down menus. I am so disappointed in both Office
||||||||||| 2007 and in Vista!
 
R

RIckP

Look, Milly, if you want to keep ths up and keep going with the insults and
the derogatory comments I will go straight to Microsoft and lodge a complaint
about you. There is no need for you to try to psychoanalyze me, to tell me
that my skin is too thin, or any other of your unprofessional comments. Fair
Warning: Back Off


Milly Staples said:
Beta programs do not work with released code.

--Â
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.

After furious head scratching, Kelly Cobean asked:

| Here is a possible "Transition " tool that has been provided by MS
|
| http://officebeta.iponet.net/en-us/help/HA100744321033.aspx
|
|
| | My original comment:
|
| "Sorry to hear about your disappointment. Progress always means that
| someone is upset."
|
| So, where in this comment am I condescending? I sympathized with your
| response to Office 2007 GUI and made a simple statement saying that
| progress will always upset some people.
|
| Like I said before, you have the thinnest skin of anyone I have ever
| tried to reply to and REALLY need to lighten up. Being that
| defensive in a public forum must take up all of your energies looking
| for insults where they don't exist.
|
| Now here is a person who richly deserves the killfile option. Think
| I will take advantage of that.
|
|
|| You start out in your thread being condescending to me and because my
|| opinion differed from yours, I was immediately wrong!. Then you come
|| back and insult me, and finally you are audacious enough to tell me
|| to "lighten up". Do me a favor, don't reply to any more of my
|| comments, as I don't want to discuss this with you any further.
||
|| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote:
||
||| Huh??!! It is a simple comment saying that what one man likes the
||| other may despise. If you took it as an insult, you are reading way
||| too much into a simple comment. Lighten up!!
|||
||| --
||| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
|||
||| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.
|||
||| After furious head scratching, RIckP asked:
|||
|||| And what exactly do you mean by that? You have no right to be
|||| insulting just because someone differs with YOUR opinion. You
|||| should be ashamed of yourself!
||||
|||| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote:
||||
||||| One man's meat... etc.
|||||
||||| --ÂÂÂ
||||| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
|||||
||||| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
||||| unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted
||||| without reading.
|||||
||||| After furious head scratching, RIckP asked:
|||||
|||||| You helped me make up my mind. I am de-installing the Ultimate
|||||| Office disaster and I am deinstalling marvelous Vista and I am
|||||| asking for my money back. As far as I am concerned, they are not
|||||| ready for prime time and I hate them both. And don't ever try to
|||||| tell me they have intuitive interfaces....because they DON'T!!!
||||||
||||||
|||||| "RIckP" wrote:
||||||
||||||| I think you have missed my point! Why should I have to hit F1
||||||| and look up the command for every bloody command out there. I
||||||| have been working with Microsoft Office from back in the days of
||||||| Windows 3.1 Microsoft missed the boat by not providing a
||||||| transition. They even had transistions for WordPerfect users at
||||||| one point in time. Let's face it, there is not lots of NEW
||||||| features, it just appears that way because EVERYTHING is
||||||| rearranged. Quite frankly, If I had an alternative, I would
||||||| replace the entire suite as it is really beginning to grate on
||||||| me.
|||||||
||||||| "JoAnn Paules" wrote:
|||||||
|||||||| I read your post and was curious just how difficult it was to
|||||||| find that information. I opened Excel 2007 for the *first
|||||||| time*, hit F1, and typed "sheet protection" in the search
|||||||| field. The very first hit told me who to find that command.
||||||||
|||||||| I don't mean to sound nasty but if you were digging around for
|||||||| two hours looking for a command and you never tried the
|||||||| built-in Help files, shame on you. If you were anxious to use
|||||||| the new version of office, there's been a trial version online
|||||||| for a couple of months now. You could have had that two-week
|||||||| learning curve done before Zasu Pitts's birthday. (Let's see
|||||||| how quick you are about looking things up now.)
||||||||
|||||||| --
||||||||
|||||||| JoAnn Paules
|||||||| Microsoft MVP - Publisher
||||||||
||||||||
||||||||
|||||||| ||||||||| Believe me, I am not against change either. But there needed
||||||||| to be a transition from old to new. The certainly could have
||||||||| provided an addin that
||||||||| provided the familiar pull down menus complete with any new
||||||||| features that might be available. Instead, they put
||||||||| everything in a blender and then tell
||||||||| you that it is better for you this way. I spent 2 hours
||||||||| trying to figure how
||||||||| to turn off sheet protection in Excel. I can't afford to go
||||||||| through a 2 week
||||||||| learning curve on my system where I am no longer productive
||||||||| during that time.
||||||||| I can't run both 2007 and 2003 on the same machine easily!
||||||||| One to do my work, and the other to play with and learn.
|||||||||
||||||||| Vista is even worse!
|||||||||
||||||||| "JoAnn Paules" wrote:
|||||||||
|||||||||| I b*tched about the change as well. It's not that I am
|||||||||| against change but I
|||||||||| just didn't like the ribbon.
||||||||||
|||||||||| Well, it's been about a week since I got my new comouter with
|||||||||| Vista and Office 2007. Slowly but surely I'm getting used to
|||||||||| it. I haven't done a whole lot that involves the new
|||||||||| interface but *so far* everything I've needed has been very
|||||||||| easy to find.
||||||||||
|||||||||| I've spent most of my computer time this week trying to get
|||||||||| things set up the way I want it and get my programs
|||||||||| installed. I intend to spend more time
|||||||||| with the ribbon next week. Funny thing is that at work I find
|||||||||| myself trying
|||||||||| to do something the "new way" on my work computer that is
|||||||||| running Win XP and
|||||||||| Office 2003. And IE6 - UGH!!
||||||||||
|||||||||| --
||||||||||
|||||||||| JoAnn Paules
|||||||||| Microsoft MVP - Publisher
||||||||||
||||||||||
||||||||||
|||||||||| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
|||||||||| message |||||||||| Sorry to hear about your disappointment. Progress always
|||||||||| means that someone
|||||||||| is upset.
||||||||||
|||||||||| --ÂÂÂÂ
|||||||||| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||||||||||
|||||||||| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.
|||||||||| All unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be
|||||||||| deleted without reading.
||||||||||
|||||||||| After furious head scratching, RIckP asked:
||||||||||
||||||||||| I just want to know WHY? Why did Microsoft decide to change
||||||||||| the familiar pull down menus to the new graphical ribbons
||||||||||| without allowing for the option to use the pull down menus
||||||||||| if you decide that was better for you. They have basically
||||||||||| taken all the commands and relocated them. I have been
||||||||||| wasting hours and hours trying to find where commands have
||||||||||| gone and I am about to delete 2007 and go back to 2003. I
||||||||||| don't want to have a "cheat sheet" cross reference that I
||||||||||| have to keep looking at, and I don't want to re-learn
||||||||||| Microsoft Office. Please just put an option for the old
||||||||||| command pull down menus. I am so disappointed in both Office
||||||||||| 2007 and in Vista!
 
J

JoAnn Paules

Her comment about the tool had nothing to do with you. Her comment was a
response to another poster's link for a program to help with the beta
version of Office, not the released version. If anything, her comment would
keep you and others from trying that tool out and learning that it doesn't
work for you.

--

JoAnn Paules
Microsoft MVP - Publisher



RIckP said:
Look, Milly, if you want to keep ths up and keep going with the insults
and
the derogatory comments I will go straight to Microsoft and lodge a
complaint
about you. There is no need for you to try to psychoanalyze me, to tell
me
that my skin is too thin, or any other of your unprofessional comments.
Fair
Warning: Back Off


Milly Staples said:
Beta programs do not work with released code.

--Â
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.

After furious head scratching, Kelly Cobean asked:

| Here is a possible "Transition " tool that has been provided by MS
|
| http://officebeta.iponet.net/en-us/help/HA100744321033.aspx
|
|
| | My original comment:
|
| "Sorry to hear about your disappointment. Progress always means that
| someone is upset."
|
| So, where in this comment am I condescending? I sympathized with your
| response to Office 2007 GUI and made a simple statement saying that
| progress will always upset some people.
|
| Like I said before, you have the thinnest skin of anyone I have ever
| tried to reply to and REALLY need to lighten up. Being that
| defensive in a public forum must take up all of your energies looking
| for insults where they don't exist.
|
| Now here is a person who richly deserves the killfile option. Think
| I will take advantage of that.
|
|
|| You start out in your thread being condescending to me and because my
|| opinion differed from yours, I was immediately wrong!. Then you come
|| back and insult me, and finally you are audacious enough to tell me
|| to "lighten up". Do me a favor, don't reply to any more of my
|| comments, as I don't want to discuss this with you any further.
||
|| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote:
||
||| Huh??!! It is a simple comment saying that what one man likes the
||| other may despise. If you took it as an insult, you are reading way
||| too much into a simple comment. Lighten up!!
|||
||| --
||| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
|||
||| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.
|||
||| After furious head scratching, RIckP asked:
|||
|||| And what exactly do you mean by that? You have no right to be
|||| insulting just because someone differs with YOUR opinion. You
|||| should be ashamed of yourself!
||||
|||| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote:
||||
||||| One man's meat... etc.
|||||
||||| --ÂÂÂ
||||| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
|||||
||||| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
||||| unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted
||||| without reading.
|||||
||||| After furious head scratching, RIckP asked:
|||||
|||||| You helped me make up my mind. I am de-installing the Ultimate
|||||| Office disaster and I am deinstalling marvelous Vista and I am
|||||| asking for my money back. As far as I am concerned, they are not
|||||| ready for prime time and I hate them both. And don't ever try to
|||||| tell me they have intuitive interfaces....because they DON'T!!!
||||||
||||||
|||||| "RIckP" wrote:
||||||
||||||| I think you have missed my point! Why should I have to hit F1
||||||| and look up the command for every bloody command out there. I
||||||| have been working with Microsoft Office from back in the days of
||||||| Windows 3.1 Microsoft missed the boat by not providing a
||||||| transition. They even had transistions for WordPerfect users at
||||||| one point in time. Let's face it, there is not lots of NEW
||||||| features, it just appears that way because EVERYTHING is
||||||| rearranged. Quite frankly, If I had an alternative, I would
||||||| replace the entire suite as it is really beginning to grate on
||||||| me.
|||||||
||||||| "JoAnn Paules" wrote:
|||||||
|||||||| I read your post and was curious just how difficult it was to
|||||||| find that information. I opened Excel 2007 for the *first
|||||||| time*, hit F1, and typed "sheet protection" in the search
|||||||| field. The very first hit told me who to find that command.
||||||||
|||||||| I don't mean to sound nasty but if you were digging around for
|||||||| two hours looking for a command and you never tried the
|||||||| built-in Help files, shame on you. If you were anxious to use
|||||||| the new version of office, there's been a trial version online
|||||||| for a couple of months now. You could have had that two-week
|||||||| learning curve done before Zasu Pitts's birthday. (Let's see
|||||||| how quick you are about looking things up now.)
||||||||
|||||||| --
||||||||
|||||||| JoAnn Paules
|||||||| Microsoft MVP - Publisher
||||||||
||||||||
||||||||
|||||||| ||||||||| Believe me, I am not against change either. But there needed
||||||||| to be a transition from old to new. The certainly could have
||||||||| provided an addin that
||||||||| provided the familiar pull down menus complete with any new
||||||||| features that might be available. Instead, they put
||||||||| everything in a blender and then tell
||||||||| you that it is better for you this way. I spent 2 hours
||||||||| trying to figure how
||||||||| to turn off sheet protection in Excel. I can't afford to go
||||||||| through a 2 week
||||||||| learning curve on my system where I am no longer productive
||||||||| during that time.
||||||||| I can't run both 2007 and 2003 on the same machine easily!
||||||||| One to do my work, and the other to play with and learn.
|||||||||
||||||||| Vista is even worse!
|||||||||
||||||||| "JoAnn Paules" wrote:
|||||||||
|||||||||| I b*tched about the change as well. It's not that I am
|||||||||| against change but I
|||||||||| just didn't like the ribbon.
||||||||||
|||||||||| Well, it's been about a week since I got my new comouter with
|||||||||| Vista and Office 2007. Slowly but surely I'm getting used to
|||||||||| it. I haven't done a whole lot that involves the new
|||||||||| interface but *so far* everything I've needed has been very
|||||||||| easy to find.
||||||||||
|||||||||| I've spent most of my computer time this week trying to get
|||||||||| things set up the way I want it and get my programs
|||||||||| installed. I intend to spend more time
|||||||||| with the ribbon next week. Funny thing is that at work I find
|||||||||| myself trying
|||||||||| to do something the "new way" on my work computer that is
|||||||||| running Win XP and
|||||||||| Office 2003. And IE6 - UGH!!
||||||||||
|||||||||| --
||||||||||
|||||||||| JoAnn Paules
|||||||||| Microsoft MVP - Publisher
||||||||||
||||||||||
||||||||||
|||||||||| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
|||||||||| message |||||||||| Sorry to hear about your disappointment. Progress always
|||||||||| means that someone
|||||||||| is upset.
||||||||||
|||||||||| --ÂÂÂÂ
|||||||||| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||||||||||
|||||||||| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.
|||||||||| All unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be
|||||||||| deleted without reading.
||||||||||
|||||||||| After furious head scratching, RIckP asked:
||||||||||
||||||||||| I just want to know WHY? Why did Microsoft decide to change
||||||||||| the familiar pull down menus to the new graphical ribbons
||||||||||| without allowing for the option to use the pull down menus
||||||||||| if you decide that was better for you. They have basically
||||||||||| taken all the commands and relocated them. I have been
||||||||||| wasting hours and hours trying to find where commands have
||||||||||| gone and I am about to delete 2007 and go back to 2003. I
||||||||||| don't want to have a "cheat sheet" cross reference that I
||||||||||| have to keep looking at, and I don't want to re-learn
||||||||||| Microsoft Office. Please just put an option for the old
||||||||||| command pull down menus. I am so disappointed in both Office
||||||||||| 2007 and in Vista!
 
R

RIckP

My comments to Milly had nothing to do with the beta transition tool that was
mentioned. It had everything to do with Milly's cutting comments about
having thin skin. She simply has no right to put those type comments into
this thread. Think them..OK..Write them in the thread...NOT OK.

JoAnn Paules said:
Her comment about the tool had nothing to do with you. Her comment was a
response to another poster's link for a program to help with the beta
version of Office, not the released version. If anything, her comment would
keep you and others from trying that tool out and learning that it doesn't
work for you.

--

JoAnn Paules
Microsoft MVP - Publisher



RIckP said:
Look, Milly, if you want to keep ths up and keep going with the insults
and
the derogatory comments I will go straight to Microsoft and lodge a
complaint
about you. There is no need for you to try to psychoanalyze me, to tell
me
that my skin is too thin, or any other of your unprofessional comments.
Fair
Warning: Back Off


Milly Staples said:
Beta programs do not work with released code.

--Â
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.

After furious head scratching, Kelly Cobean asked:

| Here is a possible "Transition " tool that has been provided by MS
|
| http://officebeta.iponet.net/en-us/help/HA100744321033.aspx
|
|
| | My original comment:
|
| "Sorry to hear about your disappointment. Progress always means that
| someone is upset."
|
| So, where in this comment am I condescending? I sympathized with your
| response to Office 2007 GUI and made a simple statement saying that
| progress will always upset some people.
|
| Like I said before, you have the thinnest skin of anyone I have ever
| tried to reply to and REALLY need to lighten up. Being that
| defensive in a public forum must take up all of your energies looking
| for insults where they don't exist.
|
| Now here is a person who richly deserves the killfile option. Think
| I will take advantage of that.
|
|
|| You start out in your thread being condescending to me and because my
|| opinion differed from yours, I was immediately wrong!. Then you come
|| back and insult me, and finally you are audacious enough to tell me
|| to "lighten up". Do me a favor, don't reply to any more of my
|| comments, as I don't want to discuss this with you any further.
||
|| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote:
||
||| Huh??!! It is a simple comment saying that what one man likes the
||| other may despise. If you took it as an insult, you are reading way
||| too much into a simple comment. Lighten up!!
|||
||| --
||| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
|||
||| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.
|||
||| After furious head scratching, RIckP asked:
|||
|||| And what exactly do you mean by that? You have no right to be
|||| insulting just because someone differs with YOUR opinion. You
|||| should be ashamed of yourself!
||||
|||| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote:
||||
||||| One man's meat... etc.
|||||
||||| --ÂÂÂ
||||| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
|||||
||||| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
||||| unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted
||||| without reading.
|||||
||||| After furious head scratching, RIckP asked:
|||||
|||||| You helped me make up my mind. I am de-installing the Ultimate
|||||| Office disaster and I am deinstalling marvelous Vista and I am
|||||| asking for my money back. As far as I am concerned, they are not
|||||| ready for prime time and I hate them both. And don't ever try to
|||||| tell me they have intuitive interfaces....because they DON'T!!!
||||||
||||||
|||||| "RIckP" wrote:
||||||
||||||| I think you have missed my point! Why should I have to hit F1
||||||| and look up the command for every bloody command out there. I
||||||| have been working with Microsoft Office from back in the days of
||||||| Windows 3.1 Microsoft missed the boat by not providing a
||||||| transition. They even had transistions for WordPerfect users at
||||||| one point in time. Let's face it, there is not lots of NEW
||||||| features, it just appears that way because EVERYTHING is
||||||| rearranged. Quite frankly, If I had an alternative, I would
||||||| replace the entire suite as it is really beginning to grate on
||||||| me.
|||||||
||||||| "JoAnn Paules" wrote:
|||||||
|||||||| I read your post and was curious just how difficult it was to
|||||||| find that information. I opened Excel 2007 for the *first
|||||||| time*, hit F1, and typed "sheet protection" in the search
|||||||| field. The very first hit told me who to find that command.
||||||||
|||||||| I don't mean to sound nasty but if you were digging around for
|||||||| two hours looking for a command and you never tried the
|||||||| built-in Help files, shame on you. If you were anxious to use
|||||||| the new version of office, there's been a trial version online
|||||||| for a couple of months now. You could have had that two-week
|||||||| learning curve done before Zasu Pitts's birthday. (Let's see
|||||||| how quick you are about looking things up now.)
||||||||
|||||||| --
||||||||
|||||||| JoAnn Paules
|||||||| Microsoft MVP - Publisher
||||||||
||||||||
||||||||
|||||||| ||||||||| Believe me, I am not against change either. But there needed
||||||||| to be a transition from old to new. The certainly could have
||||||||| provided an addin that
||||||||| provided the familiar pull down menus complete with any new
||||||||| features that might be available. Instead, they put
||||||||| everything in a blender and then tell
||||||||| you that it is better for you this way. I spent 2 hours
||||||||| trying to figure how
||||||||| to turn off sheet protection in Excel. I can't afford to go
||||||||| through a 2 week
||||||||| learning curve on my system where I am no longer productive
||||||||| during that time.
||||||||| I can't run both 2007 and 2003 on the same machine easily!
||||||||| One to do my work, and the other to play with and learn.
|||||||||
||||||||| Vista is even worse!
|||||||||
||||||||| "JoAnn Paules" wrote:
|||||||||
|||||||||| I b*tched about the change as well. It's not that I am
|||||||||| against change but I
|||||||||| just didn't like the ribbon.
||||||||||
|||||||||| Well, it's been about a week since I got my new comouter with
|||||||||| Vista and Office 2007. Slowly but surely I'm getting used to
|||||||||| it. I haven't done a whole lot that involves the new
|||||||||| interface but *so far* everything I've needed has been very
|||||||||| easy to find.
||||||||||
|||||||||| I've spent most of my computer time this week trying to get
|||||||||| things set up the way I want it and get my programs
|||||||||| installed. I intend to spend more time
|||||||||| with the ribbon next week. Funny thing is that at work I find
|||||||||| myself trying
|||||||||| to do something the "new way" on my work computer that is
|||||||||| running Win XP and
|||||||||| Office 2003. And IE6 - UGH!!
||||||||||
|||||||||| --
||||||||||
|||||||||| JoAnn Paules
|||||||||| Microsoft MVP - Publisher
||||||||||
||||||||||
||||||||||
|||||||||| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
|||||||||| message |||||||||| Sorry to hear about your disappointment. Progress always
|||||||||| means that someone
|||||||||| is upset.
||||||||||
|||||||||| --ÂÂÂÂ
|||||||||| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||||||||||
|||||||||| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.
|||||||||| All unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be
|||||||||| deleted without reading.
||||||||||
|||||||||| After furious head scratching, RIckP asked:
||||||||||
||||||||||| I just want to know WHY? Why did Microsoft decide to change
||||||||||| the familiar pull down menus to the new graphical ribbons
||||||||||| without allowing for the option to use the pull down menus
||||||||||| if you decide that was better for you. They have basically
||||||||||| taken all the commands and relocated them. I have been
||||||||||| wasting hours and hours trying to find where commands have
||||||||||| gone and I am about to delete 2007 and go back to 2003. I
||||||||||| don't want to have a "cheat sheet" cross reference that I
||||||||||| have to keep looking at, and I don't want to re-learn
||||||||||| Microsoft Office. Please just put an option for the old
||||||||||| command pull down menus. I am so disappointed in both Office
||||||||||| 2007 and in Vista!
 
J

JoAnn Paules

It's not the first time that opinions have been expressed in the public
newsgroups, it certainly won't be the last. I will not use the term
"thin-skinned" because I've been called that and I really despise it,
however, Milly does have the right to opinions, as we all.
--

JoAnn Paules
Microsoft MVP - Publisher



RIckP said:
My comments to Milly had nothing to do with the beta transition tool that
was
mentioned. It had everything to do with Milly's cutting comments about
having thin skin. She simply has no right to put those type comments into
this thread. Think them..OK..Write them in the thread...NOT OK.

JoAnn Paules said:
Her comment about the tool had nothing to do with you. Her comment was a
response to another poster's link for a program to help with the beta
version of Office, not the released version. If anything, her comment
would
keep you and others from trying that tool out and learning that it
doesn't
work for you.

--

JoAnn Paules
Microsoft MVP - Publisher



RIckP said:
Look, Milly, if you want to keep ths up and keep going with the insults
and
the derogatory comments I will go straight to Microsoft and lodge a
complaint
about you. There is no need for you to try to psychoanalyze me, to
tell
me
that my skin is too thin, or any other of your unprofessional comments.
Fair
Warning: Back Off


:

Beta programs do not work with released code.

--Â
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.

After furious head scratching, Kelly Cobean asked:

| Here is a possible "Transition " tool that has been provided by MS
|
| http://officebeta.iponet.net/en-us/help/HA100744321033.aspx
|
|
| | My original comment:
|
| "Sorry to hear about your disappointment. Progress always means
that
| someone is upset."
|
| So, where in this comment am I condescending? I sympathized with
your
| response to Office 2007 GUI and made a simple statement saying that
| progress will always upset some people.
|
| Like I said before, you have the thinnest skin of anyone I have ever
| tried to reply to and REALLY need to lighten up. Being that
| defensive in a public forum must take up all of your energies
looking
| for insults where they don't exist.
|
| Now here is a person who richly deserves the killfile option. Think
| I will take advantage of that.
|
|
|| You start out in your thread being condescending to me and because
my
|| opinion differed from yours, I was immediately wrong!. Then you
come
|| back and insult me, and finally you are audacious enough to tell me
|| to "lighten up". Do me a favor, don't reply to any more of my
|| comments, as I don't want to discuss this with you any further.
||
|| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote:
||
||| Huh??!! It is a simple comment saying that what one man likes the
||| other may despise. If you took it as an insult, you are reading
way
||| too much into a simple comment. Lighten up!!
|||
||| --
||| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
|||
||| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.
|||
||| After furious head scratching, RIckP asked:
|||
|||| And what exactly do you mean by that? You have no right to be
|||| insulting just because someone differs with YOUR opinion. You
|||| should be ashamed of yourself!
||||
|||| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote:
||||
||||| One man's meat... etc.
|||||
||||| --ÂÂÂ
||||| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
|||||
||||| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.
All
||||| unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted
||||| without reading.
|||||
||||| After furious head scratching, RIckP asked:
|||||
|||||| You helped me make up my mind. I am de-installing the Ultimate
|||||| Office disaster and I am deinstalling marvelous Vista and I am
|||||| asking for my money back. As far as I am concerned, they are
not
|||||| ready for prime time and I hate them both. And don't ever try
to
|||||| tell me they have intuitive interfaces....because they DON'T!!!
||||||
||||||
|||||| "RIckP" wrote:
||||||
||||||| I think you have missed my point! Why should I have to hit F1
||||||| and look up the command for every bloody command out there. I
||||||| have been working with Microsoft Office from back in the days
of
||||||| Windows 3.1 Microsoft missed the boat by not providing a
||||||| transition. They even had transistions for WordPerfect users
at
||||||| one point in time. Let's face it, there is not lots of NEW
||||||| features, it just appears that way because EVERYTHING is
||||||| rearranged. Quite frankly, If I had an alternative, I would
||||||| replace the entire suite as it is really beginning to grate on
||||||| me.
|||||||
||||||| "JoAnn Paules" wrote:
|||||||
|||||||| I read your post and was curious just how difficult it was to
|||||||| find that information. I opened Excel 2007 for the *first
|||||||| time*, hit F1, and typed "sheet protection" in the search
|||||||| field. The very first hit told me who to find that command.
||||||||
|||||||| I don't mean to sound nasty but if you were digging around
for
|||||||| two hours looking for a command and you never tried the
|||||||| built-in Help files, shame on you. If you were anxious to use
|||||||| the new version of office, there's been a trial version
online
|||||||| for a couple of months now. You could have had that two-week
|||||||| learning curve done before Zasu Pitts's birthday. (Let's see
|||||||| how quick you are about looking things up now.)
||||||||
|||||||| --
||||||||
|||||||| JoAnn Paules
|||||||| Microsoft MVP - Publisher
||||||||
||||||||
||||||||
|||||||| ||||||||| Believe me, I am not against change either. But there
needed
||||||||| to be a transition from old to new. The certainly could
have
||||||||| provided an addin that
||||||||| provided the familiar pull down menus complete with any new
||||||||| features that might be available. Instead, they put
||||||||| everything in a blender and then tell
||||||||| you that it is better for you this way. I spent 2 hours
||||||||| trying to figure how
||||||||| to turn off sheet protection in Excel. I can't afford to go
||||||||| through a 2 week
||||||||| learning curve on my system where I am no longer productive
||||||||| during that time.
||||||||| I can't run both 2007 and 2003 on the same machine easily!
||||||||| One to do my work, and the other to play with and learn.
|||||||||
||||||||| Vista is even worse!
|||||||||
||||||||| "JoAnn Paules" wrote:
|||||||||
|||||||||| I b*tched about the change as well. It's not that I am
|||||||||| against change but I
|||||||||| just didn't like the ribbon.
||||||||||
|||||||||| Well, it's been about a week since I got my new comouter
with
|||||||||| Vista and Office 2007. Slowly but surely I'm getting used
to
|||||||||| it. I haven't done a whole lot that involves the new
|||||||||| interface but *so far* everything I've needed has been very
|||||||||| easy to find.
||||||||||
|||||||||| I've spent most of my computer time this week trying to get
|||||||||| things set up the way I want it and get my programs
|||||||||| installed. I intend to spend more time
|||||||||| with the ribbon next week. Funny thing is that at work I
find
|||||||||| myself trying
|||||||||| to do something the "new way" on my work computer that is
|||||||||| running Win XP and
|||||||||| Office 2003. And IE6 - UGH!!
||||||||||
|||||||||| --
||||||||||
|||||||||| JoAnn Paules
|||||||||| Microsoft MVP - Publisher
||||||||||
||||||||||
||||||||||
|||||||||| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
|||||||||| message |||||||||| Sorry to hear about your disappointment. Progress always
|||||||||| means that someone
|||||||||| is upset.
||||||||||
|||||||||| --ÂÂÂÂ
|||||||||| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||||||||||
|||||||||| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion
intact.
|||||||||| All unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be
|||||||||| deleted without reading.
||||||||||
|||||||||| After furious head scratching, RIckP asked:
||||||||||
||||||||||| I just want to know WHY? Why did Microsoft decide to
change
||||||||||| the familiar pull down menus to the new graphical ribbons
||||||||||| without allowing for the option to use the pull down menus
||||||||||| if you decide that was better for you. They have
basically
||||||||||| taken all the commands and relocated them. I have been
||||||||||| wasting hours and hours trying to find where commands have
||||||||||| gone and I am about to delete 2007 and go back to 2003. I
||||||||||| don't want to have a "cheat sheet" cross reference that I
||||||||||| have to keep looking at, and I don't want to re-learn
||||||||||| Microsoft Office. Please just put an option for the old
||||||||||| command pull down menus. I am so disappointed in both
Office
||||||||||| 2007 and in Vista!
 
J

Jay Somerset

And what exactly do you mean by that? You have no right to be insulting just
because someone differs with YOUR opinion. You should be ashamed of
yourself!

Your grasp of quotations is somewhat lacking. The full quote is "one man's
meat is another man's poison". It was obviously meant to convey that not
everyone has the same likes and dislikes. You should not be so quick to
take offense where none was obviously intended.

Grow up!

Milly Staples said:
One man's meat... etc.

--?
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.

After furious head scratching, RIckP asked:

| You helped me make up my mind. I am de-installing the Ultimate Office
| disaster and I am deinstalling marvelous Vista and I am asking for my
| money back. As far as I am concerned, they are not ready for prime
| time and I hate them both. And don't ever try to tell me they have
| intuitive interfaces....because they DON'T!!!
|
|
| "RIckP" wrote:
|
|| I think you have missed my point! Why should I have to hit F1 and
|| look up the command for every bloody command out there. I have been
|| working with Microsoft Office from back in the days of Windows 3.1
|| Microsoft missed the boat by not providing a transition. They even
|| had transistions for WordPerfect users at one point in time. Let's
|| face it, there is not lots of NEW features, it just appears that way
|| because EVERYTHING is rearranged. Quite frankly, If I had an
|| alternative, I would replace the entire suite as it is really
|| beginning to grate on me.
||
|| "JoAnn Paules" wrote:
||
||| I read your post and was curious just how difficult it was to find
||| that information. I opened Excel 2007 for the *first time*, hit F1,
||| and typed "sheet protection" in the search field. The very first
||| hit told me who to find that command.
|||
||| I don't mean to sound nasty but if you were digging around for two
||| hours looking for a command and you never tried the built-in Help
||| files, shame on you. If you were anxious to use the new version of
||| office, there's been a trial version online for a couple of months
||| now. You could have had that two-week learning curve done before
||| Zasu Pitts's birthday. (Let's see how quick you are about looking
||| things up now.)
|||
||| --
|||
||| JoAnn Paules
||| Microsoft MVP - Publisher
|||
|||
|||
||| |||| Believe me, I am not against change either. But there needed to
|||| be a transition from old to new. The certainly could have
|||| provided an addin that
|||| provided the familiar pull down menus complete with any new
|||| features that might be available. Instead, they put everything in
|||| a blender and then tell
|||| you that it is better for you this way. I spent 2 hours trying to
|||| figure how
|||| to turn off sheet protection in Excel. I can't afford to go
|||| through a 2 week
|||| learning curve on my system where I am no longer productive during
|||| that time.
|||| I can't run both 2007 and 2003 on the same machine easily! One to
|||| do my work, and the other to play with and learn.
||||
|||| Vista is even worse!
||||
|||| "JoAnn Paules" wrote:
||||
||||| I b*tched about the change as well. It's not that I am against
||||| change but I
||||| just didn't like the ribbon.
|||||
||||| Well, it's been about a week since I got my new comouter with
||||| Vista and Office 2007. Slowly but surely I'm getting used to it.
||||| I haven't done a whole lot that involves the new interface but
||||| *so far* everything I've needed has been very easy to find.
|||||
||||| I've spent most of my computer time this week trying to get
||||| things set up the way I want it and get my programs installed. I
||||| intend to spend more time
||||| with the ribbon next week. Funny thing is that at work I find
||||| myself trying
||||| to do something the "new way" on my work computer that is running
||||| Win XP and
||||| Office 2003. And IE6 - UGH!!
|||||
||||| --
|||||
||||| JoAnn Paules
||||| Microsoft MVP - Publisher
|||||
|||||
|||||
||||| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
||||| ||||| Sorry to hear about your disappointment. Progress always means
||||| that someone
||||| is upset.
|||||
||||| --Â?
||||| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
|||||
||||| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
||||| unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted
||||| without reading.
|||||
||||| After furious head scratching, RIckP asked:
|||||
|||||| I just want to know WHY? Why did Microsoft decide to change the
|||||| familiar pull down menus to the new graphical ribbons without
|||||| allowing for the option to use the pull down menus if you decide
|||||| that was better for you. They have basically taken all the
|||||| commands and relocated them. I have been wasting hours and
|||||| hours trying to find where commands have gone and I am about to
|||||| delete 2007 and go back to 2003. I don't want to have a "cheat
|||||| sheet" cross reference that I have to keep looking at, and I
|||||| don't want to re-learn Microsoft Office. Please just put an
|||||| option for the old command pull down menus. I am so
|||||| disappointed in both Office 2007 and in Vista!
 

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