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Does Microsoft pay you MVP guys? Just curious.
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JL Paules
We do not get a paycheck from Microsoft. But if you'd like to suggest that
to MS, I don't think we'd object. ;-)
to MS, I don't think we'd object. ;-)
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tech27
That would be fine with me, as long as the MVP's got paid according to their
expertise. I've run across some brilliant ones, and others who knew less
than I do (which if you knew me would be hard to believe).
expertise. I've run across some brilliant ones, and others who knew less
than I do (which if you knew me would be hard to believe).
JL Paules said:We do not get a paycheck from Microsoft. But if you'd like to suggest that
to MS, I don't think we'd object. ;-)
--
JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]
Does Microsoft pay you MVP guys? Just curious.
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David Bartosik - MS MVP
No. To learn about the program visit
and also http://www.microsoft.com/backstage/bkst_column_43.mspx covers it.
--
David Bartosik - MS MVP
for Publisher help:
www.davidbartosik.com
enter to win Pub 2003:
www.davidbartosik.com/giveaway.aspx
and also http://www.microsoft.com/backstage/bkst_column_43.mspx covers it.
--
David Bartosik - MS MVP
for Publisher help:
www.davidbartosik.com
enter to win Pub 2003:
www.davidbartosik.com/giveaway.aspx
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analog
Unbelieveable! I am no mercenary, butIi sure would not be helping M$
the way you guys do for nothing. Do they at least give you free
software?
the way you guys do for nothing. Do they at least give you free
software?
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David Bartosik - MS MVP
You may not "get it". What makes an MVP is someone that wants to help
others. I'm not here to help MS, I'm here to help you.
--
David Bartosik - MS MVP
for Publisher help:
www.davidbartosik.com
enter to win Pub 2003:
www.davidbartosik.com/giveaway.aspx
others. I'm not here to help MS, I'm here to help you.
--
David Bartosik - MS MVP
for Publisher help:
www.davidbartosik.com
enter to win Pub 2003:
www.davidbartosik.com/giveaway.aspx
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analog
Oh yes, I get it; but you don't.
I do the same thing in my business. My website is 99.99% a labor of
love designed to pass on arcane information in the field in which I
work. So I understand the impulse to help others very well.
But your situation is a little different. It is akin to emplyees in
banks who are given corporate officer titles in lieu of decent pay. I
am glad you are motivated to help, and so is Bill who thereby gets a
free public relations resource. You deserve to be paid for your
services to M$, and M$ knows it full well.
Syd
I do the same thing in my business. My website is 99.99% a labor of
love designed to pass on arcane information in the field in which I
work. So I understand the impulse to help others very well.
But your situation is a little different. It is akin to emplyees in
banks who are given corporate officer titles in lieu of decent pay. I
am glad you are motivated to help, and so is Bill who thereby gets a
free public relations resource. You deserve to be paid for your
services to M$, and M$ knows it full well.
Syd
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Robert Comer
You deserve to be paid for your
I don't think so, that would put a responsibility on us MVP's that's not
there now -- as it is now we can show up when we want or not, and post or
not.
I like to help others, but I get just as much out of these newsgroups as I
put in, so it's pretty much a win-win for everyone.
- Bob Comer <MS MVP - Virtual PC for Windows>
services to M$, and M$ knows it full well.
I don't think so, that would put a responsibility on us MVP's that's not
there now -- as it is now we can show up when we want or not, and post or
not.
I like to help others, but I get just as much out of these newsgroups as I
put in, so it's pretty much a win-win for everyone.
- Bob Comer <MS MVP - Virtual PC for Windows>
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David Herman
Syd,
Don't forget that MVPs do what they do because they *want* to; we are not
told to help out in the newsgroups, set up communities etc. Introducing
money for our services would put an end to the flexible working pattern that
we currently have (as Bob Comer said), amongst a number of other things...
Speaking from a personnel view, I find it really rewarding when you get
someone say 'thanks' and you played a part in fixing their problem.
-David Herman
Microsoft MVP - Patch Management Guru
Don't forget that MVPs do what they do because they *want* to; we are not
told to help out in the newsgroups, set up communities etc. Introducing
money for our services would put an end to the flexible working pattern that
we currently have (as Bob Comer said), amongst a number of other things...
Speaking from a personnel view, I find it really rewarding when you get
someone say 'thanks' and you played a part in fixing their problem.
-David Herman
Microsoft MVP - Patch Management Guru
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Arvin Meyer
Hi Syd,
The title of MVP bestowed upon us by Microsoft is an honor in recognition of
our past performance in helping in the newsgroups or in other ways. For
instance, I also help run a help website: http://www.mvps.org/access, give
away lots of sample code at my own website: http://www.datastrat.com,
write articles on Microsoft's website, and do other things which help
Microsoft's technologies such as lead the Access SIG in Orlando. I also do
beta testing, lots of it.
I do it because I like to and I want to, not for any other reason. I do not
want to get paid, because I would then not be as free to criticize Microsoft
when they need their sails trimmed. And believe me, we do dish out the
criticism when they need it, and while they don't always accept it with open
arms, they do listen and we get better products to work with. Yes, Microsoft
gets a valuable resource, but the relationship is symbiotic.
--
Arvin Meyer, MCP, MVP
Microsoft Access
Free Access downloads:
http://www.datastrat.com
http://www.mvps.org/access
The title of MVP bestowed upon us by Microsoft is an honor in recognition of
our past performance in helping in the newsgroups or in other ways. For
instance, I also help run a help website: http://www.mvps.org/access, give
away lots of sample code at my own website: http://www.datastrat.com,
write articles on Microsoft's website, and do other things which help
Microsoft's technologies such as lead the Access SIG in Orlando. I also do
beta testing, lots of it.
I do it because I like to and I want to, not for any other reason. I do not
want to get paid, because I would then not be as free to criticize Microsoft
when they need their sails trimmed. And believe me, we do dish out the
criticism when they need it, and while they don't always accept it with open
arms, they do listen and we get better products to work with. Yes, Microsoft
gets a valuable resource, but the relationship is symbiotic.
--
Arvin Meyer, MCP, MVP
Microsoft Access
Free Access downloads:
http://www.datastrat.com
http://www.mvps.org/access
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analog
If they listen, why is Publisher such a disaster with regard to html?
Plenty of folks complained thet Publisher 2002 was a step in a weird
direction with respect to website creation, but Publisher 2003
apparently continues this strange journey. Why did they not
incorporate the existing FrontPage technology, or something like that?
I think I know why, and it relates to the bottom line; if so, shame on
M$.
I do not criticize your alturistic impulse, but you tend to come off
as dupes of M$ by buying into their thinly disguised ego building
program designed to get free tech support agents for M$. Sorry if
that offends, but you have been had by a corporation that can easily
afford to compensate such efforts. And I do not see much criticism of
M$ by MVPs, btw.
Plenty of folks complained thet Publisher 2002 was a step in a weird
direction with respect to website creation, but Publisher 2003
apparently continues this strange journey. Why did they not
incorporate the existing FrontPage technology, or something like that?
I think I know why, and it relates to the bottom line; if so, shame on
M$.
I do not criticize your alturistic impulse, but you tend to come off
as dupes of M$ by buying into their thinly disguised ego building
program designed to get free tech support agents for M$. Sorry if
that offends, but you have been had by a corporation that can easily
afford to compensate such efforts. And I do not see much criticism of
M$ by MVPs, btw.
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Brian Kvalheim - [MS MVP]
In (e-mail address removed) <[email protected]> posted:
Need to pay more attention then (and do some research). We are in fact one
of their most vocal critics.
BTW, it is MS, not M$. The latter is associated with trolls normally.
--
Brian Kvalheim
Microsoft Publisher MVP
http://www.publishermvps.com
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
confers no rights.
And I do not see much criticism of
M$ by MVPs, btw.
Need to pay more attention then (and do some research). We are in fact one
of their most vocal critics.
BTW, it is MS, not M$. The latter is associated with trolls normally.
--
Brian Kvalheim
Microsoft Publisher MVP
http://www.publishermvps.com
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
confers no rights.
J
JL Paules
I'm not a dupe. I use Front Page for my website and Publisher for my printed
material. I am aware the Publisher could be used for websites. So coulds
Word or even Notepad but I've learned to use the proper tool for the job -
not just the tool that happens to do the job to some degree.
And as the others have stated, I too help out in the newsgroups because I
want to. Period. I remember the first several painful months of learning how
to do *anything* on a computer. I didn't even know how to turn a computer
on. I was so lost - and I'd never heard of the Internet. Even if I had, the
company I worked for wasn't connected - they weren't even networked! I was
fortunate that a genetleman I worked with answered all of my studpid
questions. I am very grateful that I can help others who need help and
aren't embarassed to ask. (And by the way, that wonderful man who helped me
is now my husband.)
material. I am aware the Publisher could be used for websites. So coulds
Word or even Notepad but I've learned to use the proper tool for the job -
not just the tool that happens to do the job to some degree.
And as the others have stated, I too help out in the newsgroups because I
want to. Period. I remember the first several painful months of learning how
to do *anything* on a computer. I didn't even know how to turn a computer
on. I was so lost - and I'd never heard of the Internet. Even if I had, the
company I worked for wasn't connected - they weren't even networked! I was
fortunate that a genetleman I worked with answered all of my studpid
questions. I am very grateful that I can help others who need help and
aren't embarassed to ask. (And by the way, that wonderful man who helped me
is now my husband.)
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Arvin Meyer
If they listen, why is Publisher such a disaster with regard to html?
Plenty of folks complained thet Publisher 2002 was a step in a weird
direction with respect to website creation, but Publisher 2003
apparently continues this strange journey. Why did they not
incorporate the existing FrontPage technology, or something like that?
I think I know why, and it relates to the bottom line; if so, shame on
M$.
It takes several versions before today's suggestions can make it into
finished applications. And sometimes they have a different agenda. It's not
like we run the ship.
I do not criticize your alturistic impulse, but you tend to come off
as dupes of M$ by buying into their thinly disguised ego building
program designed to get free tech support agents for M$. Sorry if
that offends, but you have been had by a corporation that can easily
afford to compensate such efforts. And I do not see much criticism of
M$ by MVPs, btw.
As I said, we are appointed as MVPs for past performance, not current
performance. There are benefits that come with the award, but they are not
really compensatory, nor do most of us think of them that way. All of us
really like what we do, and we have an international fraternity of MVPs who,
for the most part, really enjoy each other's company, and rely on each
other's expertise.
Sorry, but I build my own ego, I do not need MS to do it. As far as the
criticism goes, you would not necessarily see it at all. Most of it is in
private. If you ever run into one of the MS Program Managers though, just
ask how much we chew them out.
--
Arvin Meyer, MCP, MVP
Microsoft Access
Free Access downloads:
http://www.datastrat.com
http://www.mvps.org/access
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analog
But M$ says it all, no? M$ is so motivated by the bottom line, it is
willing to engage in questionable anticompetitive practices. I am
still trying to figure out what happened to lifetime usability support
that was a standard part of all M$ software just a few years ago.
Most of us will live to see M$ fall (much farther than it already
has), and for the same reason Lotus fell from grace: greed. I'd hitch
my wagon to a nicer star if I were you.
willing to engage in questionable anticompetitive practices. I am
still trying to figure out what happened to lifetime usability support
that was a standard part of all M$ software just a few years ago.
Most of us will live to see M$ fall (much farther than it already
has), and for the same reason Lotus fell from grace: greed. I'd hitch
my wagon to a nicer star if I were you.
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analog
Institutionalized stupidity(and greed) has been the downfall of more
than one company.
than one company.
M
Mary Sauer
Greed? Show me any company that has this type of foundation... The Gates Foundation
has donated over seven billion dollars in grants since its inception.
http://www.gatesfoundation.com/default.htm
has donated over seven billion dollars in grants since its inception.
http://www.gatesfoundation.com/default.htm
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analog
I think that is Bill doing personal penance, not the corporation, no?
Most of Bill's wealth comes from taking M$ public, not from selling
grodget pins. In other words, Bill got rich the old fashioned way,
and I don't mean he earned it.. For that matter, M$ never paid a
dividend until quite recently, iirc.
Most of Bill's wealth comes from taking M$ public, not from selling
grodget pins. In other words, Bill got rich the old fashioned way,
and I don't mean he earned it.. For that matter, M$ never paid a
dividend until quite recently, iirc.
B
Brian Kvalheim - [MS MVP]
In
Ok, so now you know that MS is paying dividends, and has given BILLIONs of
dollars to charity, MSN has reached profitability for the first time in it's
history, the Xbox sales double last month, exceeding Microsofts
expectations, outselling the PlayStation 2, and Windows XP has sold over 210
million copies (retail...not including corporate volume licensing)...a
record selling OS from MS, and Office 2003 sales have doubled that of Office
XP. Microsoft has been opening some of their software to the open source
community.
Revenue and net income are both up as well.
Yet you say they will fall, and we will see them fall futher than they have
now? And they are doing better than they ever have?
--
Brian Kvalheim
Microsoft Publisher MVP
http://www.publishermvps.com
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
confers no rights.
I think that is Bill doing personal penance, not the corporation, no?
Most of Bill's wealth comes from taking M$ public, not from selling
grodget pins. In other words, Bill got rich the old fashioned way,
and I don't mean he earned it.. For that matter, M$ never paid a
dividend until quite recently, iirc.
Ok, so now you know that MS is paying dividends, and has given BILLIONs of
dollars to charity, MSN has reached profitability for the first time in it's
history, the Xbox sales double last month, exceeding Microsofts
expectations, outselling the PlayStation 2, and Windows XP has sold over 210
million copies (retail...not including corporate volume licensing)...a
record selling OS from MS, and Office 2003 sales have doubled that of Office
XP. Microsoft has been opening some of their software to the open source
community.
Revenue and net income are both up as well.
Yet you say they will fall, and we will see them fall futher than they have
now? And they are doing better than they ever have?
--
Brian Kvalheim
Microsoft Publisher MVP
http://www.publishermvps.com
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
confers no rights.
C
Chris Schatte
(e-mail address removed)
Your posts to the group have been this weekends entertainment for us. While you have been busy being non productive by whining and griping wasting your "precious time", we've been busy re-building a network and updating our web site using Adobe Go Live. Long ago we realized that Publisher 2000 was limited in what we wanted for our site. We used Front Page 2000 then XP. As stated we now use Go Live, but are evaluating Macromedia MX suite. Time spent to do this, yes, but in my opinion it is well worth it. Your business site can stagnate, because you cannot take free advice from some very knowlegdable people, our sites will not because we did
We use Publisher (2000-2003) for our print media, as well as our company newsletters
Chris Schatte
Your posts to the group have been this weekends entertainment for us. While you have been busy being non productive by whining and griping wasting your "precious time", we've been busy re-building a network and updating our web site using Adobe Go Live. Long ago we realized that Publisher 2000 was limited in what we wanted for our site. We used Front Page 2000 then XP. As stated we now use Go Live, but are evaluating Macromedia MX suite. Time spent to do this, yes, but in my opinion it is well worth it. Your business site can stagnate, because you cannot take free advice from some very knowlegdable people, our sites will not because we did
We use Publisher (2000-2003) for our print media, as well as our company newsletters
Chris Schatte
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