Networked Office

[Cary Shultz [A.D. MVP]]

Edward,

What in the world does "pmfji" mean?

I would go to the MS Office Resource Kit for this. If you need / want more
help with this you can either post this in the Group Policy news group -OR-
you can e-mail me directly with the particulars and I will gladly help you.
This is really easy - assuming that you have done it a hundred and one
times! Should be really easy with a push in the right direction and a
couple of MSKB articles.

Cary

PMFJI. I have some experience with creating an admin install of Office. I'm
looking for some info that would get me started using GPO to deploy an
upgrade to O2k3 and then deploy patches in the future.

Thanks,

--
Edward Lee
Microsoft MVP - Sharepoint Portal Server

Sarah,

You think that this is very inefficient? Come on....

I have absolutely no understanding of your point of reference. What do you
want? We are not avoiding any issues. I see no issues whatsoever with
installing software via GPO at all. In fact, this ( deploying applications
via GPO ) is a God-send. Maybe you are atheist, I do not know ;-)

And you have stated in other parts of this post that you are not worried
about the network being clogged as you have a Giga Ethernet network. This
was an argument that you used to support your proposed setup. Yet, in your
response to my suggestion about installing via GPO you state that you do not
want to clog up the network. So, which one is it? You say one thing in one
part of the post and then completely contradict it in another...

It looks like you choose a bad solution when you did not yet know what the
options were. In English we say that you painted yourself into a corner.

Cary



PS. MVP stands for Microsoft Most Valuable Professional

I think this is very inefficient. Why can I install my apps on a disk

in
my

server and mount that disk on my workstation and execute the exe file from
there.

If I need to upgrade, all I have to do is upgrade the server and those 10(or
100 workstation) will get updated instantly without clogging up the network
for transferring files between the server and those 10(or 100) client
workstation.

I think you all know what I'm talking about but most of your MVP[Microsoft
....] are avoding the issues.

Please ....


Sarah,

I might jump in here for a second.

First of all, the idea of a Terminal Server is generally a really good
idea.
I have been using Terminal Server for the last 15 months or so and

it

is

generally

a clients.
I compared 2003
from Resource
Kit rem
out quickly
and you
make (
say Petra
get the
GPO clients
can to
the Pre-installed,
an there

 

[Cary Shultz [A.D. MVP]]

Edward,

What in the world does "pmfji" mean?

I would go to the MS Office Resource Kit for this. If you need / want more
help with this you can either post this in the Group Policy news group -OR-
you can e-mail me directly with the particulars and I will gladly help you.
This is really easy - assuming that you have done it a hundred and one
times! Should be really easy with a push in the right direction and a
couple of MSKB articles.

Cary

PMFJI. I have some experience with creating an admin install of Office. I'm
looking for some info that would get me started using GPO to deploy an
upgrade to O2k3 and then deploy patches in the future.

Thanks,

--
Edward Lee
Microsoft MVP - Sharepoint Portal Server

Sarah,

You think that this is very inefficient? Come on....

I have absolutely no understanding of your point of reference. What do you
want? We are not avoiding any issues. I see no issues whatsoever with
installing software via GPO at all. In fact, this ( deploying applications
via GPO ) is a God-send. Maybe you are atheist, I do not know ;-)

And you have stated in other parts of this post that you are not worried
about the network being clogged as you have a Giga Ethernet network. This
was an argument that you used to support your proposed setup. Yet, in your
response to my suggestion about installing via GPO you state that you do not
want to clog up the network. So, which one is it? You say one thing in one
part of the post and then completely contradict it in another...

It looks like you choose a bad solution when you did not yet know what the
options were. In English we say that you painted yourself into a corner.

Cary



PS. MVP stands for Microsoft Most Valuable Professional

I think this is very inefficient. Why can I install my apps on a disk

in
my

server and mount that disk on my workstation and execute the exe file from
there.

If I need to upgrade, all I have to do is upgrade the server and those 10(or
100 workstation) will get updated instantly without clogging up the network
for transferring files between the server and those 10(or 100) client
workstation.

I think you all know what I'm talking about but most of your MVP[Microsoft
....] are avoding the issues.

Please ....


Sarah,

I might jump in here for a second.

First of all, the idea of a Terminal Server is generally a really good
idea.
I have been using Terminal Server for the last 15 months or so and

it

is

generally

a clients.
I compared 2003
from Resource
Kit rem
out quickly
and you
make (
say Petra
get the
GPO clients
can to
the Pre-installed,
an there

 

[Cary Shultz [A.D. MVP]]

Edward,

What in the world does "pmfji" mean?

I would go to the MS Office Resource Kit for this. If you need / want more
help with this you can either post this in the Group Policy news group -OR-
you can e-mail me directly with the particulars and I will gladly help you.
This is really easy - assuming that you have done it a hundred and one
times! Should be really easy with a push in the right direction and a
couple of MSKB articles.

Cary

PMFJI. I have some experience with creating an admin install of Office. I'm
looking for some info that would get me started using GPO to deploy an
upgrade to O2k3 and then deploy patches in the future.

Thanks,

--
Edward Lee
Microsoft MVP - Sharepoint Portal Server

Sarah,

You think that this is very inefficient? Come on....

I have absolutely no understanding of your point of reference. What do you
want? We are not avoiding any issues. I see no issues whatsoever with
installing software via GPO at all. In fact, this ( deploying applications
via GPO ) is a God-send. Maybe you are atheist, I do not know ;-)

And you have stated in other parts of this post that you are not worried
about the network being clogged as you have a Giga Ethernet network. This
was an argument that you used to support your proposed setup. Yet, in your
response to my suggestion about installing via GPO you state that you do not
want to clog up the network. So, which one is it? You say one thing in one
part of the post and then completely contradict it in another...

It looks like you choose a bad solution when you did not yet know what the
options were. In English we say that you painted yourself into a corner.

Cary



PS. MVP stands for Microsoft Most Valuable Professional

I think this is very inefficient. Why can I install my apps on a disk

in
my

server and mount that disk on my workstation and execute the exe file from
there.

If I need to upgrade, all I have to do is upgrade the server and those 10(or
100 workstation) will get updated instantly without clogging up the network
for transferring files between the server and those 10(or 100) client
workstation.

I think you all know what I'm talking about but most of your MVP[Microsoft
....] are avoding the issues.

Please ....


Sarah,

I might jump in here for a second.

First of all, the idea of a Terminal Server is generally a really good
idea.
I have been using Terminal Server for the last 15 months or so and

it

is

generally

a clients.
I compared 2003
from Resource
Kit rem
out quickly
and you
make (
say Petra
get the
GPO clients
can to
the Pre-installed,
an there

 

[Cary Shultz [A.D. MVP]]

Edward,

What in the world does "pmfji" mean?

I would go to the MS Office Resource Kit for this. If you need / want more
help with this you can either post this in the Group Policy news group -OR-
you can e-mail me directly with the particulars and I will gladly help you.
This is really easy - assuming that you have done it a hundred and one
times! Should be really easy with a push in the right direction and a
couple of MSKB articles.

Cary

PMFJI. I have some experience with creating an admin install of Office. I'm
looking for some info that would get me started using GPO to deploy an
upgrade to O2k3 and then deploy patches in the future.

Thanks,

--
Edward Lee
Microsoft MVP - Sharepoint Portal Server

Sarah,

You think that this is very inefficient? Come on....

I have absolutely no understanding of your point of reference. What do you
want? We are not avoiding any issues. I see no issues whatsoever with
installing software via GPO at all. In fact, this ( deploying applications
via GPO ) is a God-send. Maybe you are atheist, I do not know ;-)

And you have stated in other parts of this post that you are not worried
about the network being clogged as you have a Giga Ethernet network. This
was an argument that you used to support your proposed setup. Yet, in your
response to my suggestion about installing via GPO you state that you do not
want to clog up the network. So, which one is it? You say one thing in one
part of the post and then completely contradict it in another...

It looks like you choose a bad solution when you did not yet know what the
options were. In English we say that you painted yourself into a corner.

Cary



PS. MVP stands for Microsoft Most Valuable Professional

I think this is very inefficient. Why can I install my apps on a disk

in
my

server and mount that disk on my workstation and execute the exe file from
there.

If I need to upgrade, all I have to do is upgrade the server and those 10(or
100 workstation) will get updated instantly without clogging up the network
for transferring files between the server and those 10(or 100) client
workstation.

I think you all know what I'm talking about but most of your MVP[Microsoft
....] are avoding the issues.

Please ....


Sarah,

I might jump in here for a second.

First of all, the idea of a Terminal Server is generally a really good
idea.
I have been using Terminal Server for the last 15 months or so and

it

is

generally

a clients.
I compared 2003
from Resource
Kit rem
out quickly
and you
make (
say Petra
get the
GPO clients
can to
the Pre-installed,
an there

 

[Cary Shultz [A.D. MVP]]

Edward,

What in the world does "pmfji" mean?

I would go to the MS Office Resource Kit for this. If you need / want more
help with this you can either post this in the Group Policy news group -OR-
you can e-mail me directly with the particulars and I will gladly help you.
This is really easy - assuming that you have done it a hundred and one
times! Should be really easy with a push in the right direction and a
couple of MSKB articles.

Cary

PMFJI. I have some experience with creating an admin install of Office. I'm
looking for some info that would get me started using GPO to deploy an
upgrade to O2k3 and then deploy patches in the future.

Thanks,

--
Edward Lee
Microsoft MVP - Sharepoint Portal Server

Sarah,

You think that this is very inefficient? Come on....

I have absolutely no understanding of your point of reference. What do you
want? We are not avoiding any issues. I see no issues whatsoever with
installing software via GPO at all. In fact, this ( deploying applications
via GPO ) is a God-send. Maybe you are atheist, I do not know ;-)

And you have stated in other parts of this post that you are not worried
about the network being clogged as you have a Giga Ethernet network. This
was an argument that you used to support your proposed setup. Yet, in your
response to my suggestion about installing via GPO you state that you do not
want to clog up the network. So, which one is it? You say one thing in one
part of the post and then completely contradict it in another...

It looks like you choose a bad solution when you did not yet know what the
options were. In English we say that you painted yourself into a corner.

Cary



PS. MVP stands for Microsoft Most Valuable Professional

I think this is very inefficient. Why can I install my apps on a disk

in
my

server and mount that disk on my workstation and execute the exe file from
there.

If I need to upgrade, all I have to do is upgrade the server and those 10(or
100 workstation) will get updated instantly without clogging up the network
for transferring files between the server and those 10(or 100) client
workstation.

I think you all know what I'm talking about but most of your MVP[Microsoft
....] are avoding the issues.

Please ....


Sarah,

I might jump in here for a second.

First of all, the idea of a Terminal Server is generally a really good
idea.
I have been using Terminal Server for the last 15 months or so and

it

is

generally

a clients.
I compared 2003
from Resource
Kit rem
out quickly
and you
make (
say Petra
get the
GPO clients
can to
the Pre-installed,
an there

 

[Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]]

PMFJI = Pardon Me For Jumping In.

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my personal
account will be deleted without reading.

After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, Cary Shultz [A.D.
MVP] asked:

| Edward,
|
| What in the world does "pmfji" mean?
|
| I would go to the MS Office Resource Kit for this. If you need /
| want more help with this you can either post this in the Group Policy
| news group -OR- you can e-mail me directly with the particulars and I
| will gladly help you. This is really easy - assuming that you have
| done it a hundred and one times! Should be really easy with a push
| in the right direction and a couple of MSKB articles.
|
| Cary
|
|
| || PMFJI. I have some experience with creating an admin install of
|| Office. I'm looking for some info that would get me started using
|| GPO to deploy an upgrade to O2k3 and then deploy patches in the
|| future.
||
|| Thanks,
||
|| --
|| Edward Lee
|| Microsoft MVP - Sharepoint Portal Server
||
||
|| ||| Sarah,
|||
||| You think that this is very inefficient? Come on....
|||
||| I have absolutely no understanding of your point of reference.
||| What do you want? We are not avoiding any issues. I see no issues
||| whatsoever with installing software via GPO at all. In fact, this
||| ( deploying applications via GPO ) is a God-send. Maybe you are
||| atheist, I do not know ;-)
|||
||| And you have stated in other parts of this post that you are not
||| worried about the network being clogged as you have a Giga Ethernet
||| network. This was an argument that you used to support your
||| proposed setup. Yet, in your response to my suggestion about
||| installing via GPO you state that you do not want to clog up the
||| network. So, which one is it? You say one thing in one part of
||| the post and then completely contradict it in another...
|||
||| It looks like you choose a bad solution when you did not yet know
||| what the options were. In English we say that you painted yourself
||| into a corner.
|||
||| Cary
|||
|||
|||
||| PS. MVP stands for Microsoft Most Valuable Professional
|||
||| |||| I think this is very inefficient. Why can I install my apps on a
|||| disk in my server and mount that disk on my workstation and
|||| execute the exe file from there.
||||
|||| If I need to upgrade, all I have to do is upgrade the server and
|||| those 10(or 100 workstation) will get updated instantly without
|||| clogging up the network for transferring files between the server
|||| and those 10(or 100) client workstation.
||||
|||| I think you all know what I'm talking about but most of your
|||| MVP[Microsoft ....] are avoding the issues.
||||
|||| Please ....
||||
||||
|||| ||||| Sarah,
|||||
||||| I might jump in here for a second.
|||||
||||| First of all, the idea of a Terminal Server is generally a really
||||| good idea. I have been using Terminal Server for the last 15
||||| months or so and it is generally a great thing. As Kevin
||||| mentioned, you can no longer install Terminal Server in
||||| Application Mode ( err, that is the WIN2000 terminology.... ) on
||||| the SBS2003 Server itself. There are some very good reasons for
||||| this. You would need a second server that would be the Terminal
||||| Server. On SBS2000 you can indeed do this - but again, not
| generally
|| a
|||| good
||||| idea to run Terminal Server in Application Mode on a Domain
||||| Controller....
|||||
||||| However, since you have powerful workstations, you have a really
||||| good point / question as to why do you would want to turn them
||||| into thin clients. I would probably not want to do that! Du hast
||||| schon das Geld ausgegeben!
|||||
||||| Secondly, you can indeed make an Administrative Installation of
||||| Office 2003 on your Server and install that application on each
||||| workstation from that Admin Installation. The advantages of
||||| doing this are 1) you have a common, accessible installation
||||| point and 2) you do not have to worry about losing the Office
||||| 2003 CD! However, the disadvantage of doing this ( compared to
||||| my next suggestion ) is that when you want to update the clients
||||| ( sagen wir, dass Microsoft Office 2003 SP1 liefiert ) you have
||||| the problem of updating each client - this usually involves
||||| uninstalling Office 2003 from each client ( you could use the
||||| utility from the Office 2003
| Resource
||| Kit
|||| to
||||| do this! ) and then running the installation on each workstation.
||||| Sure, you could probably do this via a logon script, but you
||||| still have the administrative overhead ( you have to write the
||||| additional lines in the logon script and make sure that it is run
||||| on each machine and then rem out the additional lines in the
||||| logon script ). So, with this solution you have a really nicely
||||| located Administrative Installation Point that you can nicely
||||| keep up to date but you have the problem on the workstations.
|||||
||||| So, I would suggest to you that you take a good long look at
||||| using Group Policy to install Office 2003 to all of your
||||| computers ( or users ). You simply make that one Administrative
||||| Installation Point ( via setup.exe /a ) - which you can still
||||| update when security patches are releases or when a Service Pack
||||| is released - and you have the ability to very quickly and
||||| without much administrative overhead install this to your clients
||||| and - here comes a really neat point - easily and quickly update
||||| the clients when those security patches or Service Packs are
||||| released. Additionally, if you make use of the Office 2003
||||| Resource Kit you can create .mst files ( aka Transforms files )
||||| that will allow you to customize the installation ( say that
||||| Heinz and Hans get Excel, Word and Outlook while Ulrike and Petra
||||| get PowerPoint, Word and Outlook ). Furthermore, you can set a
||||| lot of the options via a GPO that will ensure that all of your
||||| users have the settings that they need. You will not have to go
||||| to each computer and make sure that all of those specific
||||| settings are properly configured. Do it via the GPO and there
||||| you have it! Also, you can control it so that your clients can
||||| not go to the officeupdate.microsoft.com and make untested
||||| updates to the Office 2003 installation. This is a really nice
||||| feature as well.....
|||||
||||| Sarah, Du kannst Dich gerne an mich wenden solltest Du Fragen
||||| ueber das Group Policy Object haben....
|||||
||||| HTH,
|||||
||||| Cary
|||||
|||||
|||||
|||||
|||||
||||| |||||| Is it possible to run office from a server?
||||||
|||||| We just purchased 10 brand new PC with Windows XP Pro
| Pre-installed,
||| an
|||| a
|||||| server with ample of memory and disk space.
||||||
|||||| We also purchase a 15-user license of Microsoft Office 2003
|||||| Professional.
||||||
|||||| Instead of installing MS Office 2003 on all the workstation, is
|| there
||| a
||||| way
|||||| to run Office from a server?
||||||
|||||| I know of the terminal services/citrix way but that is out of
|||||| the question as it will add cost per client.
||||||
|||||| Thanks

 

[Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]]

PMFJI = Pardon Me For Jumping In.

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my personal
account will be deleted without reading.

After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, Cary Shultz [A.D.
MVP] asked:

| Edward,
|
| What in the world does "pmfji" mean?
|
| I would go to the MS Office Resource Kit for this. If you need /
| want more help with this you can either post this in the Group Policy
| news group -OR- you can e-mail me directly with the particulars and I
| will gladly help you. This is really easy - assuming that you have
| done it a hundred and one times! Should be really easy with a push
| in the right direction and a couple of MSKB articles.
|
| Cary
|
|
| || PMFJI. I have some experience with creating an admin install of
|| Office. I'm looking for some info that would get me started using
|| GPO to deploy an upgrade to O2k3 and then deploy patches in the
|| future.
||
|| Thanks,
||
|| --
|| Edward Lee
|| Microsoft MVP - Sharepoint Portal Server
||
||
|| ||| Sarah,
|||
||| You think that this is very inefficient? Come on....
|||
||| I have absolutely no understanding of your point of reference.
||| What do you want? We are not avoiding any issues. I see no issues
||| whatsoever with installing software via GPO at all. In fact, this
||| ( deploying applications via GPO ) is a God-send. Maybe you are
||| atheist, I do not know ;-)
|||
||| And you have stated in other parts of this post that you are not
||| worried about the network being clogged as you have a Giga Ethernet
||| network. This was an argument that you used to support your
||| proposed setup. Yet, in your response to my suggestion about
||| installing via GPO you state that you do not want to clog up the
||| network. So, which one is it? You say one thing in one part of
||| the post and then completely contradict it in another...
|||
||| It looks like you choose a bad solution when you did not yet know
||| what the options were. In English we say that you painted yourself
||| into a corner.
|||
||| Cary
|||
|||
|||
||| PS. MVP stands for Microsoft Most Valuable Professional
|||
||| |||| I think this is very inefficient. Why can I install my apps on a
|||| disk in my server and mount that disk on my workstation and
|||| execute the exe file from there.
||||
|||| If I need to upgrade, all I have to do is upgrade the server and
|||| those 10(or 100 workstation) will get updated instantly without
|||| clogging up the network for transferring files between the server
|||| and those 10(or 100) client workstation.
||||
|||| I think you all know what I'm talking about but most of your
|||| MVP[Microsoft ....] are avoding the issues.
||||
|||| Please ....
||||
||||
|||| ||||| Sarah,
|||||
||||| I might jump in here for a second.
|||||
||||| First of all, the idea of a Terminal Server is generally a really
||||| good idea. I have been using Terminal Server for the last 15
||||| months or so and it is generally a great thing. As Kevin
||||| mentioned, you can no longer install Terminal Server in
||||| Application Mode ( err, that is the WIN2000 terminology.... ) on
||||| the SBS2003 Server itself. There are some very good reasons for
||||| this. You would need a second server that would be the Terminal
||||| Server. On SBS2000 you can indeed do this - but again, not
| generally
|| a
|||| good
||||| idea to run Terminal Server in Application Mode on a Domain
||||| Controller....
|||||
||||| However, since you have powerful workstations, you have a really
||||| good point / question as to why do you would want to turn them
||||| into thin clients. I would probably not want to do that! Du hast
||||| schon das Geld ausgegeben!
|||||
||||| Secondly, you can indeed make an Administrative Installation of
||||| Office 2003 on your Server and install that application on each
||||| workstation from that Admin Installation. The advantages of
||||| doing this are 1) you have a common, accessible installation
||||| point and 2) you do not have to worry about losing the Office
||||| 2003 CD! However, the disadvantage of doing this ( compared to
||||| my next suggestion ) is that when you want to update the clients
||||| ( sagen wir, dass Microsoft Office 2003 SP1 liefiert ) you have
||||| the problem of updating each client - this usually involves
||||| uninstalling Office 2003 from each client ( you could use the
||||| utility from the Office 2003
| Resource
||| Kit
|||| to
||||| do this! ) and then running the installation on each workstation.
||||| Sure, you could probably do this via a logon script, but you
||||| still have the administrative overhead ( you have to write the
||||| additional lines in the logon script and make sure that it is run
||||| on each machine and then rem out the additional lines in the
||||| logon script ). So, with this solution you have a really nicely
||||| located Administrative Installation Point that you can nicely
||||| keep up to date but you have the problem on the workstations.
|||||
||||| So, I would suggest to you that you take a good long look at
||||| using Group Policy to install Office 2003 to all of your
||||| computers ( or users ). You simply make that one Administrative
||||| Installation Point ( via setup.exe /a ) - which you can still
||||| update when security patches are releases or when a Service Pack
||||| is released - and you have the ability to very quickly and
||||| without much administrative overhead install this to your clients
||||| and - here comes a really neat point - easily and quickly update
||||| the clients when those security patches or Service Packs are
||||| released. Additionally, if you make use of the Office 2003
||||| Resource Kit you can create .mst files ( aka Transforms files )
||||| that will allow you to customize the installation ( say that
||||| Heinz and Hans get Excel, Word and Outlook while Ulrike and Petra
||||| get PowerPoint, Word and Outlook ). Furthermore, you can set a
||||| lot of the options via a GPO that will ensure that all of your
||||| users have the settings that they need. You will not have to go
||||| to each computer and make sure that all of those specific
||||| settings are properly configured. Do it via the GPO and there
||||| you have it! Also, you can control it so that your clients can
||||| not go to the officeupdate.microsoft.com and make untested
||||| updates to the Office 2003 installation. This is a really nice
||||| feature as well.....
|||||
||||| Sarah, Du kannst Dich gerne an mich wenden solltest Du Fragen
||||| ueber das Group Policy Object haben....
|||||
||||| HTH,
|||||
||||| Cary
|||||
|||||
|||||
|||||
|||||
||||| |||||| Is it possible to run office from a server?
||||||
|||||| We just purchased 10 brand new PC with Windows XP Pro
| Pre-installed,
||| an
|||| a
|||||| server with ample of memory and disk space.
||||||
|||||| We also purchase a 15-user license of Microsoft Office 2003
|||||| Professional.
||||||
|||||| Instead of installing MS Office 2003 on all the workstation, is
|| there
||| a
||||| way
|||||| to run Office from a server?
||||||
|||||| I know of the terminal services/citrix way but that is out of
|||||| the question as it will add cost per client.
||||||
|||||| Thanks

 

[Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]]

PMFJI = Pardon Me For Jumping In.

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my personal
account will be deleted without reading.

After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, Cary Shultz [A.D.
MVP] asked:

| Edward,
|
| What in the world does "pmfji" mean?
|
| I would go to the MS Office Resource Kit for this. If you need /
| want more help with this you can either post this in the Group Policy
| news group -OR- you can e-mail me directly with the particulars and I
| will gladly help you. This is really easy - assuming that you have
| done it a hundred and one times! Should be really easy with a push
| in the right direction and a couple of MSKB articles.
|
| Cary
|
|
| || PMFJI. I have some experience with creating an admin install of
|| Office. I'm looking for some info that would get me started using
|| GPO to deploy an upgrade to O2k3 and then deploy patches in the
|| future.
||
|| Thanks,
||
|| --
|| Edward Lee
|| Microsoft MVP - Sharepoint Portal Server
||
||
|| ||| Sarah,
|||
||| You think that this is very inefficient? Come on....
|||
||| I have absolutely no understanding of your point of reference.
||| What do you want? We are not avoiding any issues. I see no issues
||| whatsoever with installing software via GPO at all. In fact, this
||| ( deploying applications via GPO ) is a God-send. Maybe you are
||| atheist, I do not know ;-)
|||
||| And you have stated in other parts of this post that you are not
||| worried about the network being clogged as you have a Giga Ethernet
||| network. This was an argument that you used to support your
||| proposed setup. Yet, in your response to my suggestion about
||| installing via GPO you state that you do not want to clog up the
||| network. So, which one is it? You say one thing in one part of
||| the post and then completely contradict it in another...
|||
||| It looks like you choose a bad solution when you did not yet know
||| what the options were. In English we say that you painted yourself
||| into a corner.
|||
||| Cary
|||
|||
|||
||| PS. MVP stands for Microsoft Most Valuable Professional
|||
||| |||| I think this is very inefficient. Why can I install my apps on a
|||| disk in my server and mount that disk on my workstation and
|||| execute the exe file from there.
||||
|||| If I need to upgrade, all I have to do is upgrade the server and
|||| those 10(or 100 workstation) will get updated instantly without
|||| clogging up the network for transferring files between the server
|||| and those 10(or 100) client workstation.
||||
|||| I think you all know what I'm talking about but most of your
|||| MVP[Microsoft ....] are avoding the issues.
||||
|||| Please ....
||||
||||
|||| ||||| Sarah,
|||||
||||| I might jump in here for a second.
|||||
||||| First of all, the idea of a Terminal Server is generally a really
||||| good idea. I have been using Terminal Server for the last 15
||||| months or so and it is generally a great thing. As Kevin
||||| mentioned, you can no longer install Terminal Server in
||||| Application Mode ( err, that is the WIN2000 terminology.... ) on
||||| the SBS2003 Server itself. There are some very good reasons for
||||| this. You would need a second server that would be the Terminal
||||| Server. On SBS2000 you can indeed do this - but again, not
| generally
|| a
|||| good
||||| idea to run Terminal Server in Application Mode on a Domain
||||| Controller....
|||||
||||| However, since you have powerful workstations, you have a really
||||| good point / question as to why do you would want to turn them
||||| into thin clients. I would probably not want to do that! Du hast
||||| schon das Geld ausgegeben!
|||||
||||| Secondly, you can indeed make an Administrative Installation of
||||| Office 2003 on your Server and install that application on each
||||| workstation from that Admin Installation. The advantages of
||||| doing this are 1) you have a common, accessible installation
||||| point and 2) you do not have to worry about losing the Office
||||| 2003 CD! However, the disadvantage of doing this ( compared to
||||| my next suggestion ) is that when you want to update the clients
||||| ( sagen wir, dass Microsoft Office 2003 SP1 liefiert ) you have
||||| the problem of updating each client - this usually involves
||||| uninstalling Office 2003 from each client ( you could use the
||||| utility from the Office 2003
| Resource
||| Kit
|||| to
||||| do this! ) and then running the installation on each workstation.
||||| Sure, you could probably do this via a logon script, but you
||||| still have the administrative overhead ( you have to write the
||||| additional lines in the logon script and make sure that it is run
||||| on each machine and then rem out the additional lines in the
||||| logon script ). So, with this solution you have a really nicely
||||| located Administrative Installation Point that you can nicely
||||| keep up to date but you have the problem on the workstations.
|||||
||||| So, I would suggest to you that you take a good long look at
||||| using Group Policy to install Office 2003 to all of your
||||| computers ( or users ). You simply make that one Administrative
||||| Installation Point ( via setup.exe /a ) - which you can still
||||| update when security patches are releases or when a Service Pack
||||| is released - and you have the ability to very quickly and
||||| without much administrative overhead install this to your clients
||||| and - here comes a really neat point - easily and quickly update
||||| the clients when those security patches or Service Packs are
||||| released. Additionally, if you make use of the Office 2003
||||| Resource Kit you can create .mst files ( aka Transforms files )
||||| that will allow you to customize the installation ( say that
||||| Heinz and Hans get Excel, Word and Outlook while Ulrike and Petra
||||| get PowerPoint, Word and Outlook ). Furthermore, you can set a
||||| lot of the options via a GPO that will ensure that all of your
||||| users have the settings that they need. You will not have to go
||||| to each computer and make sure that all of those specific
||||| settings are properly configured. Do it via the GPO and there
||||| you have it! Also, you can control it so that your clients can
||||| not go to the officeupdate.microsoft.com and make untested
||||| updates to the Office 2003 installation. This is a really nice
||||| feature as well.....
|||||
||||| Sarah, Du kannst Dich gerne an mich wenden solltest Du Fragen
||||| ueber das Group Policy Object haben....
|||||
||||| HTH,
|||||
||||| Cary
|||||
|||||
|||||
|||||
|||||
||||| |||||| Is it possible to run office from a server?
||||||
|||||| We just purchased 10 brand new PC with Windows XP Pro
| Pre-installed,
||| an
|||| a
|||||| server with ample of memory and disk space.
||||||
|||||| We also purchase a 15-user license of Microsoft Office 2003
|||||| Professional.
||||||
|||||| Instead of installing MS Office 2003 on all the workstation, is
|| there
||| a
||||| way
|||||| to run Office from a server?
||||||
|||||| I know of the terminal services/citrix way but that is out of
|||||| the question as it will add cost per client.
||||||
|||||| Thanks

 

[Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]]

PMFJI = Pardon Me For Jumping In.

--
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Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my personal
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After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, Cary Shultz [A.D.
MVP] asked:

| Edward,
|
| What in the world does "pmfji" mean?
|
| I would go to the MS Office Resource Kit for this. If you need /
| want more help with this you can either post this in the Group Policy
| news group -OR- you can e-mail me directly with the particulars and I
| will gladly help you. This is really easy - assuming that you have
| done it a hundred and one times! Should be really easy with a push
| in the right direction and a couple of MSKB articles.
|
| Cary
|
|
| || PMFJI. I have some experience with creating an admin install of
|| Office. I'm looking for some info that would get me started using
|| GPO to deploy an upgrade to O2k3 and then deploy patches in the
|| future.
||
|| Thanks,
||
|| --
|| Edward Lee
|| Microsoft MVP - Sharepoint Portal Server
||
||
|| ||| Sarah,
|||
||| You think that this is very inefficient? Come on....
|||
||| I have absolutely no understanding of your point of reference.
||| What do you want? We are not avoiding any issues. I see no issues
||| whatsoever with installing software via GPO at all. In fact, this
||| ( deploying applications via GPO ) is a God-send. Maybe you are
||| atheist, I do not know ;-)
|||
||| And you have stated in other parts of this post that you are not
||| worried about the network being clogged as you have a Giga Ethernet
||| network. This was an argument that you used to support your
||| proposed setup. Yet, in your response to my suggestion about
||| installing via GPO you state that you do not want to clog up the
||| network. So, which one is it? You say one thing in one part of
||| the post and then completely contradict it in another...
|||
||| It looks like you choose a bad solution when you did not yet know
||| what the options were. In English we say that you painted yourself
||| into a corner.
|||
||| Cary
|||
|||
|||
||| PS. MVP stands for Microsoft Most Valuable Professional
|||
||| |||| I think this is very inefficient. Why can I install my apps on a
|||| disk in my server and mount that disk on my workstation and
|||| execute the exe file from there.
||||
|||| If I need to upgrade, all I have to do is upgrade the server and
|||| those 10(or 100 workstation) will get updated instantly without
|||| clogging up the network for transferring files between the server
|||| and those 10(or 100) client workstation.
||||
|||| I think you all know what I'm talking about but most of your
|||| MVP[Microsoft ....] are avoding the issues.
||||
|||| Please ....
||||
||||
|||| ||||| Sarah,
|||||
||||| I might jump in here for a second.
|||||
||||| First of all, the idea of a Terminal Server is generally a really
||||| good idea. I have been using Terminal Server for the last 15
||||| months or so and it is generally a great thing. As Kevin
||||| mentioned, you can no longer install Terminal Server in
||||| Application Mode ( err, that is the WIN2000 terminology.... ) on
||||| the SBS2003 Server itself. There are some very good reasons for
||||| this. You would need a second server that would be the Terminal
||||| Server. On SBS2000 you can indeed do this - but again, not
| generally
|| a
|||| good
||||| idea to run Terminal Server in Application Mode on a Domain
||||| Controller....
|||||
||||| However, since you have powerful workstations, you have a really
||||| good point / question as to why do you would want to turn them
||||| into thin clients. I would probably not want to do that! Du hast
||||| schon das Geld ausgegeben!
|||||
||||| Secondly, you can indeed make an Administrative Installation of
||||| Office 2003 on your Server and install that application on each
||||| workstation from that Admin Installation. The advantages of
||||| doing this are 1) you have a common, accessible installation
||||| point and 2) you do not have to worry about losing the Office
||||| 2003 CD! However, the disadvantage of doing this ( compared to
||||| my next suggestion ) is that when you want to update the clients
||||| ( sagen wir, dass Microsoft Office 2003 SP1 liefiert ) you have
||||| the problem of updating each client - this usually involves
||||| uninstalling Office 2003 from each client ( you could use the
||||| utility from the Office 2003
| Resource
||| Kit
|||| to
||||| do this! ) and then running the installation on each workstation.
||||| Sure, you could probably do this via a logon script, but you
||||| still have the administrative overhead ( you have to write the
||||| additional lines in the logon script and make sure that it is run
||||| on each machine and then rem out the additional lines in the
||||| logon script ). So, with this solution you have a really nicely
||||| located Administrative Installation Point that you can nicely
||||| keep up to date but you have the problem on the workstations.
|||||
||||| So, I would suggest to you that you take a good long look at
||||| using Group Policy to install Office 2003 to all of your
||||| computers ( or users ). You simply make that one Administrative
||||| Installation Point ( via setup.exe /a ) - which you can still
||||| update when security patches are releases or when a Service Pack
||||| is released - and you have the ability to very quickly and
||||| without much administrative overhead install this to your clients
||||| and - here comes a really neat point - easily and quickly update
||||| the clients when those security patches or Service Packs are
||||| released. Additionally, if you make use of the Office 2003
||||| Resource Kit you can create .mst files ( aka Transforms files )
||||| that will allow you to customize the installation ( say that
||||| Heinz and Hans get Excel, Word and Outlook while Ulrike and Petra
||||| get PowerPoint, Word and Outlook ). Furthermore, you can set a
||||| lot of the options via a GPO that will ensure that all of your
||||| users have the settings that they need. You will not have to go
||||| to each computer and make sure that all of those specific
||||| settings are properly configured. Do it via the GPO and there
||||| you have it! Also, you can control it so that your clients can
||||| not go to the officeupdate.microsoft.com and make untested
||||| updates to the Office 2003 installation. This is a really nice
||||| feature as well.....
|||||
||||| Sarah, Du kannst Dich gerne an mich wenden solltest Du Fragen
||||| ueber das Group Policy Object haben....
|||||
||||| HTH,
|||||
||||| Cary
|||||
|||||
|||||
|||||
|||||
||||| |||||| Is it possible to run office from a server?
||||||
|||||| We just purchased 10 brand new PC with Windows XP Pro
| Pre-installed,
||| an
|||| a
|||||| server with ample of memory and disk space.
||||||
|||||| We also purchase a 15-user license of Microsoft Office 2003
|||||| Professional.
||||||
|||||| Instead of installing MS Office 2003 on all the workstation, is
|| there
||| a
||||| way
|||||| to run Office from a server?
||||||
|||||| I know of the terminal services/citrix way but that is out of
|||||| the question as it will add cost per client.
||||||
|||||| Thanks

 

[Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]]

PMFJI = Pardon Me For Jumping In.

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my personal
account will be deleted without reading.

After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, Cary Shultz [A.D.
MVP] asked:

| Edward,
|
| What in the world does "pmfji" mean?
|
| I would go to the MS Office Resource Kit for this. If you need /
| want more help with this you can either post this in the Group Policy
| news group -OR- you can e-mail me directly with the particulars and I
| will gladly help you. This is really easy - assuming that you have
| done it a hundred and one times! Should be really easy with a push
| in the right direction and a couple of MSKB articles.
|
| Cary
|
|
| || PMFJI. I have some experience with creating an admin install of
|| Office. I'm looking for some info that would get me started using
|| GPO to deploy an upgrade to O2k3 and then deploy patches in the
|| future.
||
|| Thanks,
||
|| --
|| Edward Lee
|| Microsoft MVP - Sharepoint Portal Server
||
||
|| ||| Sarah,
|||
||| You think that this is very inefficient? Come on....
|||
||| I have absolutely no understanding of your point of reference.
||| What do you want? We are not avoiding any issues. I see no issues
||| whatsoever with installing software via GPO at all. In fact, this
||| ( deploying applications via GPO ) is a God-send. Maybe you are
||| atheist, I do not know ;-)
|||
||| And you have stated in other parts of this post that you are not
||| worried about the network being clogged as you have a Giga Ethernet
||| network. This was an argument that you used to support your
||| proposed setup. Yet, in your response to my suggestion about
||| installing via GPO you state that you do not want to clog up the
||| network. So, which one is it? You say one thing in one part of
||| the post and then completely contradict it in another...
|||
||| It looks like you choose a bad solution when you did not yet know
||| what the options were. In English we say that you painted yourself
||| into a corner.
|||
||| Cary
|||
|||
|||
||| PS. MVP stands for Microsoft Most Valuable Professional
|||
||| |||| I think this is very inefficient. Why can I install my apps on a
|||| disk in my server and mount that disk on my workstation and
|||| execute the exe file from there.
||||
|||| If I need to upgrade, all I have to do is upgrade the server and
|||| those 10(or 100 workstation) will get updated instantly without
|||| clogging up the network for transferring files between the server
|||| and those 10(or 100) client workstation.
||||
|||| I think you all know what I'm talking about but most of your
|||| MVP[Microsoft ....] are avoding the issues.
||||
|||| Please ....
||||
||||
|||| ||||| Sarah,
|||||
||||| I might jump in here for a second.
|||||
||||| First of all, the idea of a Terminal Server is generally a really
||||| good idea. I have been using Terminal Server for the last 15
||||| months or so and it is generally a great thing. As Kevin
||||| mentioned, you can no longer install Terminal Server in
||||| Application Mode ( err, that is the WIN2000 terminology.... ) on
||||| the SBS2003 Server itself. There are some very good reasons for
||||| this. You would need a second server that would be the Terminal
||||| Server. On SBS2000 you can indeed do this - but again, not
| generally
|| a
|||| good
||||| idea to run Terminal Server in Application Mode on a Domain
||||| Controller....
|||||
||||| However, since you have powerful workstations, you have a really
||||| good point / question as to why do you would want to turn them
||||| into thin clients. I would probably not want to do that! Du hast
||||| schon das Geld ausgegeben!
|||||
||||| Secondly, you can indeed make an Administrative Installation of
||||| Office 2003 on your Server and install that application on each
||||| workstation from that Admin Installation. The advantages of
||||| doing this are 1) you have a common, accessible installation
||||| point and 2) you do not have to worry about losing the Office
||||| 2003 CD! However, the disadvantage of doing this ( compared to
||||| my next suggestion ) is that when you want to update the clients
||||| ( sagen wir, dass Microsoft Office 2003 SP1 liefiert ) you have
||||| the problem of updating each client - this usually involves
||||| uninstalling Office 2003 from each client ( you could use the
||||| utility from the Office 2003
| Resource
||| Kit
|||| to
||||| do this! ) and then running the installation on each workstation.
||||| Sure, you could probably do this via a logon script, but you
||||| still have the administrative overhead ( you have to write the
||||| additional lines in the logon script and make sure that it is run
||||| on each machine and then rem out the additional lines in the
||||| logon script ). So, with this solution you have a really nicely
||||| located Administrative Installation Point that you can nicely
||||| keep up to date but you have the problem on the workstations.
|||||
||||| So, I would suggest to you that you take a good long look at
||||| using Group Policy to install Office 2003 to all of your
||||| computers ( or users ). You simply make that one Administrative
||||| Installation Point ( via setup.exe /a ) - which you can still
||||| update when security patches are releases or when a Service Pack
||||| is released - and you have the ability to very quickly and
||||| without much administrative overhead install this to your clients
||||| and - here comes a really neat point - easily and quickly update
||||| the clients when those security patches or Service Packs are
||||| released. Additionally, if you make use of the Office 2003
||||| Resource Kit you can create .mst files ( aka Transforms files )
||||| that will allow you to customize the installation ( say that
||||| Heinz and Hans get Excel, Word and Outlook while Ulrike and Petra
||||| get PowerPoint, Word and Outlook ). Furthermore, you can set a
||||| lot of the options via a GPO that will ensure that all of your
||||| users have the settings that they need. You will not have to go
||||| to each computer and make sure that all of those specific
||||| settings are properly configured. Do it via the GPO and there
||||| you have it! Also, you can control it so that your clients can
||||| not go to the officeupdate.microsoft.com and make untested
||||| updates to the Office 2003 installation. This is a really nice
||||| feature as well.....
|||||
||||| Sarah, Du kannst Dich gerne an mich wenden solltest Du Fragen
||||| ueber das Group Policy Object haben....
|||||
||||| HTH,
|||||
||||| Cary
|||||
|||||
|||||
|||||
|||||
||||| |||||| Is it possible to run office from a server?
||||||
|||||| We just purchased 10 brand new PC with Windows XP Pro
| Pre-installed,
||| an
|||| a
|||||| server with ample of memory and disk space.
||||||
|||||| We also purchase a 15-user license of Microsoft Office 2003
|||||| Professional.
||||||
|||||| Instead of installing MS Office 2003 on all the workstation, is
|| there
||| a
||||| way
|||||| to run Office from a server?
||||||
|||||| I know of the terminal services/citrix way but that is out of
|||||| the question as it will add cost per client.
||||||
|||||| Thanks

 

[Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]]

PMFJI = Pardon Me For Jumping In.

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my personal
account will be deleted without reading.

After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, Cary Shultz [A.D.
MVP] asked:

| Edward,
|
| What in the world does "pmfji" mean?
|
| I would go to the MS Office Resource Kit for this. If you need /
| want more help with this you can either post this in the Group Policy
| news group -OR- you can e-mail me directly with the particulars and I
| will gladly help you. This is really easy - assuming that you have
| done it a hundred and one times! Should be really easy with a push
| in the right direction and a couple of MSKB articles.
|
| Cary
|
|
| || PMFJI. I have some experience with creating an admin install of
|| Office. I'm looking for some info that would get me started using
|| GPO to deploy an upgrade to O2k3 and then deploy patches in the
|| future.
||
|| Thanks,
||
|| --
|| Edward Lee
|| Microsoft MVP - Sharepoint Portal Server
||
||
|| ||| Sarah,
|||
||| You think that this is very inefficient? Come on....
|||
||| I have absolutely no understanding of your point of reference.
||| What do you want? We are not avoiding any issues. I see no issues
||| whatsoever with installing software via GPO at all. In fact, this
||| ( deploying applications via GPO ) is a God-send. Maybe you are
||| atheist, I do not know ;-)
|||
||| And you have stated in other parts of this post that you are not
||| worried about the network being clogged as you have a Giga Ethernet
||| network. This was an argument that you used to support your
||| proposed setup. Yet, in your response to my suggestion about
||| installing via GPO you state that you do not want to clog up the
||| network. So, which one is it? You say one thing in one part of
||| the post and then completely contradict it in another...
|||
||| It looks like you choose a bad solution when you did not yet know
||| what the options were. In English we say that you painted yourself
||| into a corner.
|||
||| Cary
|||
|||
|||
||| PS. MVP stands for Microsoft Most Valuable Professional
|||
||| |||| I think this is very inefficient. Why can I install my apps on a
|||| disk in my server and mount that disk on my workstation and
|||| execute the exe file from there.
||||
|||| If I need to upgrade, all I have to do is upgrade the server and
|||| those 10(or 100 workstation) will get updated instantly without
|||| clogging up the network for transferring files between the server
|||| and those 10(or 100) client workstation.
||||
|||| I think you all know what I'm talking about but most of your
|||| MVP[Microsoft ....] are avoding the issues.
||||
|||| Please ....
||||
||||
|||| ||||| Sarah,
|||||
||||| I might jump in here for a second.
|||||
||||| First of all, the idea of a Terminal Server is generally a really
||||| good idea. I have been using Terminal Server for the last 15
||||| months or so and it is generally a great thing. As Kevin
||||| mentioned, you can no longer install Terminal Server in
||||| Application Mode ( err, that is the WIN2000 terminology.... ) on
||||| the SBS2003 Server itself. There are some very good reasons for
||||| this. You would need a second server that would be the Terminal
||||| Server. On SBS2000 you can indeed do this - but again, not
| generally
|| a
|||| good
||||| idea to run Terminal Server in Application Mode on a Domain
||||| Controller....
|||||
||||| However, since you have powerful workstations, you have a really
||||| good point / question as to why do you would want to turn them
||||| into thin clients. I would probably not want to do that! Du hast
||||| schon das Geld ausgegeben!
|||||
||||| Secondly, you can indeed make an Administrative Installation of
||||| Office 2003 on your Server and install that application on each
||||| workstation from that Admin Installation. The advantages of
||||| doing this are 1) you have a common, accessible installation
||||| point and 2) you do not have to worry about losing the Office
||||| 2003 CD! However, the disadvantage of doing this ( compared to
||||| my next suggestion ) is that when you want to update the clients
||||| ( sagen wir, dass Microsoft Office 2003 SP1 liefiert ) you have
||||| the problem of updating each client - this usually involves
||||| uninstalling Office 2003 from each client ( you could use the
||||| utility from the Office 2003
| Resource
||| Kit
|||| to
||||| do this! ) and then running the installation on each workstation.
||||| Sure, you could probably do this via a logon script, but you
||||| still have the administrative overhead ( you have to write the
||||| additional lines in the logon script and make sure that it is run
||||| on each machine and then rem out the additional lines in the
||||| logon script ). So, with this solution you have a really nicely
||||| located Administrative Installation Point that you can nicely
||||| keep up to date but you have the problem on the workstations.
|||||
||||| So, I would suggest to you that you take a good long look at
||||| using Group Policy to install Office 2003 to all of your
||||| computers ( or users ). You simply make that one Administrative
||||| Installation Point ( via setup.exe /a ) - which you can still
||||| update when security patches are releases or when a Service Pack
||||| is released - and you have the ability to very quickly and
||||| without much administrative overhead install this to your clients
||||| and - here comes a really neat point - easily and quickly update
||||| the clients when those security patches or Service Packs are
||||| released. Additionally, if you make use of the Office 2003
||||| Resource Kit you can create .mst files ( aka Transforms files )
||||| that will allow you to customize the installation ( say that
||||| Heinz and Hans get Excel, Word and Outlook while Ulrike and Petra
||||| get PowerPoint, Word and Outlook ). Furthermore, you can set a
||||| lot of the options via a GPO that will ensure that all of your
||||| users have the settings that they need. You will not have to go
||||| to each computer and make sure that all of those specific
||||| settings are properly configured. Do it via the GPO and there
||||| you have it! Also, you can control it so that your clients can
||||| not go to the officeupdate.microsoft.com and make untested
||||| updates to the Office 2003 installation. This is a really nice
||||| feature as well.....
|||||
||||| Sarah, Du kannst Dich gerne an mich wenden solltest Du Fragen
||||| ueber das Group Policy Object haben....
|||||
||||| HTH,
|||||
||||| Cary
|||||
|||||
|||||
|||||
|||||
||||| |||||| Is it possible to run office from a server?
||||||
|||||| We just purchased 10 brand new PC with Windows XP Pro
| Pre-installed,
||| an
|||| a
|||||| server with ample of memory and disk space.
||||||
|||||| We also purchase a 15-user license of Microsoft Office 2003
|||||| Professional.
||||||
|||||| Instead of installing MS Office 2003 on all the workstation, is
|| there
||| a
||||| way
|||||| to run Office from a server?
||||||
|||||| I know of the terminal services/citrix way but that is out of
|||||| the question as it will add cost per client.
||||||
|||||| Thanks

 

[Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]]

PMFJI = Pardon Me For Jumping In.

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my personal
account will be deleted without reading.

After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, Cary Shultz [A.D.
MVP] asked:

| Edward,
|
| What in the world does "pmfji" mean?
|
| I would go to the MS Office Resource Kit for this. If you need /
| want more help with this you can either post this in the Group Policy
| news group -OR- you can e-mail me directly with the particulars and I
| will gladly help you. This is really easy - assuming that you have
| done it a hundred and one times! Should be really easy with a push
| in the right direction and a couple of MSKB articles.
|
| Cary
|
|
| || PMFJI. I have some experience with creating an admin install of
|| Office. I'm looking for some info that would get me started using
|| GPO to deploy an upgrade to O2k3 and then deploy patches in the
|| future.
||
|| Thanks,
||
|| --
|| Edward Lee
|| Microsoft MVP - Sharepoint Portal Server
||
||
|| ||| Sarah,
|||
||| You think that this is very inefficient? Come on....
|||
||| I have absolutely no understanding of your point of reference.
||| What do you want? We are not avoiding any issues. I see no issues
||| whatsoever with installing software via GPO at all. In fact, this
||| ( deploying applications via GPO ) is a God-send. Maybe you are
||| atheist, I do not know ;-)
|||
||| And you have stated in other parts of this post that you are not
||| worried about the network being clogged as you have a Giga Ethernet
||| network. This was an argument that you used to support your
||| proposed setup. Yet, in your response to my suggestion about
||| installing via GPO you state that you do not want to clog up the
||| network. So, which one is it? You say one thing in one part of
||| the post and then completely contradict it in another...
|||
||| It looks like you choose a bad solution when you did not yet know
||| what the options were. In English we say that you painted yourself
||| into a corner.
|||
||| Cary
|||
|||
|||
||| PS. MVP stands for Microsoft Most Valuable Professional
|||
||| |||| I think this is very inefficient. Why can I install my apps on a
|||| disk in my server and mount that disk on my workstation and
|||| execute the exe file from there.
||||
|||| If I need to upgrade, all I have to do is upgrade the server and
|||| those 10(or 100 workstation) will get updated instantly without
|||| clogging up the network for transferring files between the server
|||| and those 10(or 100) client workstation.
||||
|||| I think you all know what I'm talking about but most of your
|||| MVP[Microsoft ....] are avoding the issues.
||||
|||| Please ....
||||
||||
|||| ||||| Sarah,
|||||
||||| I might jump in here for a second.
|||||
||||| First of all, the idea of a Terminal Server is generally a really
||||| good idea. I have been using Terminal Server for the last 15
||||| months or so and it is generally a great thing. As Kevin
||||| mentioned, you can no longer install Terminal Server in
||||| Application Mode ( err, that is the WIN2000 terminology.... ) on
||||| the SBS2003 Server itself. There are some very good reasons for
||||| this. You would need a second server that would be the Terminal
||||| Server. On SBS2000 you can indeed do this - but again, not
| generally
|| a
|||| good
||||| idea to run Terminal Server in Application Mode on a Domain
||||| Controller....
|||||
||||| However, since you have powerful workstations, you have a really
||||| good point / question as to why do you would want to turn them
||||| into thin clients. I would probably not want to do that! Du hast
||||| schon das Geld ausgegeben!
|||||
||||| Secondly, you can indeed make an Administrative Installation of
||||| Office 2003 on your Server and install that application on each
||||| workstation from that Admin Installation. The advantages of
||||| doing this are 1) you have a common, accessible installation
||||| point and 2) you do not have to worry about losing the Office
||||| 2003 CD! However, the disadvantage of doing this ( compared to
||||| my next suggestion ) is that when you want to update the clients
||||| ( sagen wir, dass Microsoft Office 2003 SP1 liefiert ) you have
||||| the problem of updating each client - this usually involves
||||| uninstalling Office 2003 from each client ( you could use the
||||| utility from the Office 2003
| Resource
||| Kit
|||| to
||||| do this! ) and then running the installation on each workstation.
||||| Sure, you could probably do this via a logon script, but you
||||| still have the administrative overhead ( you have to write the
||||| additional lines in the logon script and make sure that it is run
||||| on each machine and then rem out the additional lines in the
||||| logon script ). So, with this solution you have a really nicely
||||| located Administrative Installation Point that you can nicely
||||| keep up to date but you have the problem on the workstations.
|||||
||||| So, I would suggest to you that you take a good long look at
||||| using Group Policy to install Office 2003 to all of your
||||| computers ( or users ). You simply make that one Administrative
||||| Installation Point ( via setup.exe /a ) - which you can still
||||| update when security patches are releases or when a Service Pack
||||| is released - and you have the ability to very quickly and
||||| without much administrative overhead install this to your clients
||||| and - here comes a really neat point - easily and quickly update
||||| the clients when those security patches or Service Packs are
||||| released. Additionally, if you make use of the Office 2003
||||| Resource Kit you can create .mst files ( aka Transforms files )
||||| that will allow you to customize the installation ( say that
||||| Heinz and Hans get Excel, Word and Outlook while Ulrike and Petra
||||| get PowerPoint, Word and Outlook ). Furthermore, you can set a
||||| lot of the options via a GPO that will ensure that all of your
||||| users have the settings that they need. You will not have to go
||||| to each computer and make sure that all of those specific
||||| settings are properly configured. Do it via the GPO and there
||||| you have it! Also, you can control it so that your clients can
||||| not go to the officeupdate.microsoft.com and make untested
||||| updates to the Office 2003 installation. This is a really nice
||||| feature as well.....
|||||
||||| Sarah, Du kannst Dich gerne an mich wenden solltest Du Fragen
||||| ueber das Group Policy Object haben....
|||||
||||| HTH,
|||||
||||| Cary
|||||
|||||
|||||
|||||
|||||
||||| |||||| Is it possible to run office from a server?
||||||
|||||| We just purchased 10 brand new PC with Windows XP Pro
| Pre-installed,
||| an
|||| a
|||||| server with ample of memory and disk space.
||||||
|||||| We also purchase a 15-user license of Microsoft Office 2003
|||||| Professional.
||||||
|||||| Instead of installing MS Office 2003 on all the workstation, is
|| there
||| a
||||| way
|||||| to run Office from a server?
||||||
|||||| I know of the terminal services/citrix way but that is out of
|||||| the question as it will add cost per client.
||||||
|||||| Thanks

 

[Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]]

PMFJI = Pardon Me For Jumping In.

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my personal
account will be deleted without reading.

After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, Cary Shultz [A.D.
MVP] asked:

| Edward,
|
| What in the world does "pmfji" mean?
|
| I would go to the MS Office Resource Kit for this. If you need /
| want more help with this you can either post this in the Group Policy
| news group -OR- you can e-mail me directly with the particulars and I
| will gladly help you. This is really easy - assuming that you have
| done it a hundred and one times! Should be really easy with a push
| in the right direction and a couple of MSKB articles.
|
| Cary
|
|
| || PMFJI. I have some experience with creating an admin install of
|| Office. I'm looking for some info that would get me started using
|| GPO to deploy an upgrade to O2k3 and then deploy patches in the
|| future.
||
|| Thanks,
||
|| --
|| Edward Lee
|| Microsoft MVP - Sharepoint Portal Server
||
||
|| ||| Sarah,
|||
||| You think that this is very inefficient? Come on....
|||
||| I have absolutely no understanding of your point of reference.
||| What do you want? We are not avoiding any issues. I see no issues
||| whatsoever with installing software via GPO at all. In fact, this
||| ( deploying applications via GPO ) is a God-send. Maybe you are
||| atheist, I do not know ;-)
|||
||| And you have stated in other parts of this post that you are not
||| worried about the network being clogged as you have a Giga Ethernet
||| network. This was an argument that you used to support your
||| proposed setup. Yet, in your response to my suggestion about
||| installing via GPO you state that you do not want to clog up the
||| network. So, which one is it? You say one thing in one part of
||| the post and then completely contradict it in another...
|||
||| It looks like you choose a bad solution when you did not yet know
||| what the options were. In English we say that you painted yourself
||| into a corner.
|||
||| Cary
|||
|||
|||
||| PS. MVP stands for Microsoft Most Valuable Professional
|||
||| |||| I think this is very inefficient. Why can I install my apps on a
|||| disk in my server and mount that disk on my workstation and
|||| execute the exe file from there.
||||
|||| If I need to upgrade, all I have to do is upgrade the server and
|||| those 10(or 100 workstation) will get updated instantly without
|||| clogging up the network for transferring files between the server
|||| and those 10(or 100) client workstation.
||||
|||| I think you all know what I'm talking about but most of your
|||| MVP[Microsoft ....] are avoding the issues.
||||
|||| Please ....
||||
||||
|||| ||||| Sarah,
|||||
||||| I might jump in here for a second.
|||||
||||| First of all, the idea of a Terminal Server is generally a really
||||| good idea. I have been using Terminal Server for the last 15
||||| months or so and it is generally a great thing. As Kevin
||||| mentioned, you can no longer install Terminal Server in
||||| Application Mode ( err, that is the WIN2000 terminology.... ) on
||||| the SBS2003 Server itself. There are some very good reasons for
||||| this. You would need a second server that would be the Terminal
||||| Server. On SBS2000 you can indeed do this - but again, not
| generally
|| a
|||| good
||||| idea to run Terminal Server in Application Mode on a Domain
||||| Controller....
|||||
||||| However, since you have powerful workstations, you have a really
||||| good point / question as to why do you would want to turn them
||||| into thin clients. I would probably not want to do that! Du hast
||||| schon das Geld ausgegeben!
|||||
||||| Secondly, you can indeed make an Administrative Installation of
||||| Office 2003 on your Server and install that application on each
||||| workstation from that Admin Installation. The advantages of
||||| doing this are 1) you have a common, accessible installation
||||| point and 2) you do not have to worry about losing the Office
||||| 2003 CD! However, the disadvantage of doing this ( compared to
||||| my next suggestion ) is that when you want to update the clients
||||| ( sagen wir, dass Microsoft Office 2003 SP1 liefiert ) you have
||||| the problem of updating each client - this usually involves
||||| uninstalling Office 2003 from each client ( you could use the
||||| utility from the Office 2003
| Resource
||| Kit
|||| to
||||| do this! ) and then running the installation on each workstation.
||||| Sure, you could probably do this via a logon script, but you
||||| still have the administrative overhead ( you have to write the
||||| additional lines in the logon script and make sure that it is run
||||| on each machine and then rem out the additional lines in the
||||| logon script ). So, with this solution you have a really nicely
||||| located Administrative Installation Point that you can nicely
||||| keep up to date but you have the problem on the workstations.
|||||
||||| So, I would suggest to you that you take a good long look at
||||| using Group Policy to install Office 2003 to all of your
||||| computers ( or users ). You simply make that one Administrative
||||| Installation Point ( via setup.exe /a ) - which you can still
||||| update when security patches are releases or when a Service Pack
||||| is released - and you have the ability to very quickly and
||||| without much administrative overhead install this to your clients
||||| and - here comes a really neat point - easily and quickly update
||||| the clients when those security patches or Service Packs are
||||| released. Additionally, if you make use of the Office 2003
||||| Resource Kit you can create .mst files ( aka Transforms files )
||||| that will allow you to customize the installation ( say that
||||| Heinz and Hans get Excel, Word and Outlook while Ulrike and Petra
||||| get PowerPoint, Word and Outlook ). Furthermore, you can set a
||||| lot of the options via a GPO that will ensure that all of your
||||| users have the settings that they need. You will not have to go
||||| to each computer and make sure that all of those specific
||||| settings are properly configured. Do it via the GPO and there
||||| you have it! Also, you can control it so that your clients can
||||| not go to the officeupdate.microsoft.com and make untested
||||| updates to the Office 2003 installation. This is a really nice
||||| feature as well.....
|||||
||||| Sarah, Du kannst Dich gerne an mich wenden solltest Du Fragen
||||| ueber das Group Policy Object haben....
|||||
||||| HTH,
|||||
||||| Cary
|||||
|||||
|||||
|||||
|||||
||||| |||||| Is it possible to run office from a server?
||||||
|||||| We just purchased 10 brand new PC with Windows XP Pro
| Pre-installed,
||| an
|||| a
|||||| server with ample of memory and disk space.
||||||
|||||| We also purchase a 15-user license of Microsoft Office 2003
|||||| Professional.
||||||
|||||| Instead of installing MS Office 2003 on all the workstation, is
|| there
||| a
||||| way
|||||| to run Office from a server?
||||||
|||||| I know of the terminal services/citrix way but that is out of
|||||| the question as it will add cost per client.
||||||
|||||| Thanks

 

[Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]]

PMFJI = Pardon Me For Jumping In.

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my personal
account will be deleted without reading.

After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, Cary Shultz [A.D.
MVP] asked:

| Edward,
|
| What in the world does "pmfji" mean?
|
| I would go to the MS Office Resource Kit for this. If you need /
| want more help with this you can either post this in the Group Policy
| news group -OR- you can e-mail me directly with the particulars and I
| will gladly help you. This is really easy - assuming that you have
| done it a hundred and one times! Should be really easy with a push
| in the right direction and a couple of MSKB articles.
|
| Cary
|
|
| || PMFJI. I have some experience with creating an admin install of
|| Office. I'm looking for some info that would get me started using
|| GPO to deploy an upgrade to O2k3 and then deploy patches in the
|| future.
||
|| Thanks,
||
|| --
|| Edward Lee
|| Microsoft MVP - Sharepoint Portal Server
||
||
|| ||| Sarah,
|||
||| You think that this is very inefficient? Come on....
|||
||| I have absolutely no understanding of your point of reference.
||| What do you want? We are not avoiding any issues. I see no issues
||| whatsoever with installing software via GPO at all. In fact, this
||| ( deploying applications via GPO ) is a God-send. Maybe you are
||| atheist, I do not know ;-)
|||
||| And you have stated in other parts of this post that you are not
||| worried about the network being clogged as you have a Giga Ethernet
||| network. This was an argument that you used to support your
||| proposed setup. Yet, in your response to my suggestion about
||| installing via GPO you state that you do not want to clog up the
||| network. So, which one is it? You say one thing in one part of
||| the post and then completely contradict it in another...
|||
||| It looks like you choose a bad solution when you did not yet know
||| what the options were. In English we say that you painted yourself
||| into a corner.
|||
||| Cary
|||
|||
|||
||| PS. MVP stands for Microsoft Most Valuable Professional
|||
||| |||| I think this is very inefficient. Why can I install my apps on a
|||| disk in my server and mount that disk on my workstation and
|||| execute the exe file from there.
||||
|||| If I need to upgrade, all I have to do is upgrade the server and
|||| those 10(or 100 workstation) will get updated instantly without
|||| clogging up the network for transferring files between the server
|||| and those 10(or 100) client workstation.
||||
|||| I think you all know what I'm talking about but most of your
|||| MVP[Microsoft ....] are avoding the issues.
||||
|||| Please ....
||||
||||
|||| ||||| Sarah,
|||||
||||| I might jump in here for a second.
|||||
||||| First of all, the idea of a Terminal Server is generally a really
||||| good idea. I have been using Terminal Server for the last 15
||||| months or so and it is generally a great thing. As Kevin
||||| mentioned, you can no longer install Terminal Server in
||||| Application Mode ( err, that is the WIN2000 terminology.... ) on
||||| the SBS2003 Server itself. There are some very good reasons for
||||| this. You would need a second server that would be the Terminal
||||| Server. On SBS2000 you can indeed do this - but again, not
| generally
|| a
|||| good
||||| idea to run Terminal Server in Application Mode on a Domain
||||| Controller....
|||||
||||| However, since you have powerful workstations, you have a really
||||| good point / question as to why do you would want to turn them
||||| into thin clients. I would probably not want to do that! Du hast
||||| schon das Geld ausgegeben!
|||||
||||| Secondly, you can indeed make an Administrative Installation of
||||| Office 2003 on your Server and install that application on each
||||| workstation from that Admin Installation. The advantages of
||||| doing this are 1) you have a common, accessible installation
||||| point and 2) you do not have to worry about losing the Office
||||| 2003 CD! However, the disadvantage of doing this ( compared to
||||| my next suggestion ) is that when you want to update the clients
||||| ( sagen wir, dass Microsoft Office 2003 SP1 liefiert ) you have
||||| the problem of updating each client - this usually involves
||||| uninstalling Office 2003 from each client ( you could use the
||||| utility from the Office 2003
| Resource
||| Kit
|||| to
||||| do this! ) and then running the installation on each workstation.
||||| Sure, you could probably do this via a logon script, but you
||||| still have the administrative overhead ( you have to write the
||||| additional lines in the logon script and make sure that it is run
||||| on each machine and then rem out the additional lines in the
||||| logon script ). So, with this solution you have a really nicely
||||| located Administrative Installation Point that you can nicely
||||| keep up to date but you have the problem on the workstations.
|||||
||||| So, I would suggest to you that you take a good long look at
||||| using Group Policy to install Office 2003 to all of your
||||| computers ( or users ). You simply make that one Administrative
||||| Installation Point ( via setup.exe /a ) - which you can still
||||| update when security patches are releases or when a Service Pack
||||| is released - and you have the ability to very quickly and
||||| without much administrative overhead install this to your clients
||||| and - here comes a really neat point - easily and quickly update
||||| the clients when those security patches or Service Packs are
||||| released. Additionally, if you make use of the Office 2003
||||| Resource Kit you can create .mst files ( aka Transforms files )
||||| that will allow you to customize the installation ( say that
||||| Heinz and Hans get Excel, Word and Outlook while Ulrike and Petra
||||| get PowerPoint, Word and Outlook ). Furthermore, you can set a
||||| lot of the options via a GPO that will ensure that all of your
||||| users have the settings that they need. You will not have to go
||||| to each computer and make sure that all of those specific
||||| settings are properly configured. Do it via the GPO and there
||||| you have it! Also, you can control it so that your clients can
||||| not go to the officeupdate.microsoft.com and make untested
||||| updates to the Office 2003 installation. This is a really nice
||||| feature as well.....
|||||
||||| Sarah, Du kannst Dich gerne an mich wenden solltest Du Fragen
||||| ueber das Group Policy Object haben....
|||||
||||| HTH,
|||||
||||| Cary
|||||
|||||
|||||
|||||
|||||
||||| |||||| Is it possible to run office from a server?
||||||
|||||| We just purchased 10 brand new PC with Windows XP Pro
| Pre-installed,
||| an
|||| a
|||||| server with ample of memory and disk space.
||||||
|||||| We also purchase a 15-user license of Microsoft Office 2003
|||||| Professional.
||||||
|||||| Instead of installing MS Office 2003 on all the workstation, is
|| there
||| a
||||| way
|||||| to run Office from a server?
||||||
|||||| I know of the terminal services/citrix way but that is out of
|||||| the question as it will add cost per client.
||||||
|||||| Thanks

 

[Guest]

As I said in my previous posting, MS has black-and-white solution only, that
is:
1- run ALL APPS in the server(Terminal Services)
2- run ALL APPS in the workstation(old technology).

Wrong. See my previous post in this thread.

AndyC

 

[Guest]

As I said in my previous posting, MS has black-and-white solution only, that
is:
1- run ALL APPS in the server(Terminal Services)
2- run ALL APPS in the workstation(old technology).

Wrong. See my previous post in this thread.

AndyC

 

[Guest]

As I said in my previous posting, MS has black-and-white solution only, that
is:
1- run ALL APPS in the server(Terminal Services)
2- run ALL APPS in the workstation(old technology).

Wrong. See my previous post in this thread.

AndyC

 

[Guest]

As I said in my previous posting, MS has black-and-white solution only, that
is:
1- run ALL APPS in the server(Terminal Services)
2- run ALL APPS in the workstation(old technology).

Wrong. See my previous post in this thread.

AndyC

 

[Guest]

As I said in my previous posting, MS has black-and-white solution only, that
is:
1- run ALL APPS in the server(Terminal Services)
2- run ALL APPS in the workstation(old technology).

Wrong. See my previous post in this thread.

AndyC

 

[Guest]

As I said in my previous posting, MS has black-and-white solution only, that
is:
1- run ALL APPS in the server(Terminal Services)
2- run ALL APPS in the workstation(old technology).

Wrong. See my previous post in this thread.

AndyC