Non-Genuine Microsoft Office Professional

[Earle Horton]

Thank you for all your responses. Apologies for the delay in response.
I feel like I have opened a can of worms.

I don't know if the OEM software is branded or not. It has the
computer suppliers Name printed on the same label where the product key
is. It also says that the Part No X09-62934.

The OEM software has never been opened or installed, and was never
installed by the supplier on my original computer.

This is really strange. OEM software usually comes pre-installed. Some of
the big brand name manufacturers don't even give you install media.

It makes no mention on the pack if it is a trial version or not.

I was just thinking that since I have never used it, I should be able
to. I only intend to load it on one computer.

Theoretically you are only supposed to install the software on a computer
from the same computer supplier whose name is printed on the label, even if
in fact it was never pre-installed on the computer it came with. If you
really want to split hairs it should only be installed on that computer.

If you want to install it on another computer well that is up to you, and it
will probably work...

Earle

 

[Alias]

Earle Horton wrote:
Earle Horton wrote:
Thank you Milly. For purposes of OEM software licensing, "device"
refers to "motherboard".
Really? Have you got proof of this or are you interpreting again? My
OEM
EULA says *nothing* about a motherboard for both Office and XP.
It's on the top secret inner sanctum pages only revealed to genuine
Registered Members in the Microsoft Partner Program such as myself
(Organization Partner ID: 2337734 [Active] Horton Computer Service,
Silverton, CO). I even have a web site, see?

http://hortoncomputers.tripod.com/

The rationalization (and listen for once, you might learn something)
given is that the OEM who provided you with your computer cannot be
expected to continue to support either the computer or the OEM software
pre-installed therein once you have upgraded a major component such as
a
motherboard. Once you do that you no longer qualify for the OEM's
excellent customer service, and your license to use the software, which
you have actually received third party via the OEM, is no longer valid.

Motherboard replacements are allowed for repair purposes,
but only with an identical replacement part. It would be extremely
unusual for the OP to have gotten an OEM Office Suite "uninstalled"
with a laptop purchase. The OEM software I have seen is already
"pre-installed" on the computer when you open the box. One of the
reasons that the retail product costs more, is that you are allowed
to
install it on multiple computers in succession.

Earle
Fact is, you are speculating but you're posting your speculation as if
it were fact.
Why else would the retail product cost more, if it did not have more
value? By "more value" I mean the privilege of being able to call
Microsoft and pay for their excellent customer service, which you
cannot
do with your pathetic pirated OEM copy.

Cheers,

Earle
Um, I don't buy computers from OEMs. I build my own and, in essence, I
am
my own OEM and choose to support upgrading hardware, be it a hard drive,
graphics card, processor or MOTHERBOARD. All my software is legally and
properly licensed. I don't care what your speculative "rationalization"
is; I care what is stated on what I agreed to. Your libelous and totally
false accusation that I use pirated software was totally uncalled for.
In that case you are bound by the terms of the System Builder License.

http://www.microsoft.com/oem/sblicense/default.mspx

I believe that the relevant paragraph is this one.

5.b. «End User License Terms. You must distribute the Software pursuant
to
the end user license terms ("License Terms") that accompany it. Under the
License Terms, you are the licensor.»

I find no way to interpret this that gives you the right to serially
install the software on multiple devices for your own use, pirate.

Cheers,

Earle

I never said it did. What did you get that from? I said I am bound by the
EULA that comes with the copy of Office that I bought and my EULA says I
may install it on one desktop and one laptop. It does not say *anything*
about a motherboard.

The OEM EULA does not say "one desktop and one laptop".

Earle

Mine most certainly does. Care to put some money where your mouth is?
And once you've been proven wrong, are you man enough to apologize for
calling me a pirate?

Alias

 

[Alias]

This is really strange. OEM software usually comes pre-installed. Some of
the big brand name manufacturers don't even give you install media.

It's not strange at all. I, too, bought an OEM copy of Office
Professional 2003 without buying a computer.

Theoretically you are only supposed to install the software on a computer
from the same computer supplier whose name is printed on the label, even if
in fact it was never pre-installed on the computer it came with. If you
really want to split hairs it should only be installed on that computer.

If you want to install it on another computer well that is up to you, and it
will probably work...

Earle

Of course it will.

Alias

 

[Earle Horton]

It's not strange at all. I, too, bought an OEM copy of Office Professional
2003 without buying a computer.

You bought it as a System Builder. The OP says he got it with a laptop.
You are in a different legal situation than he is. The System Builder
license says you have to install it on a computer which you then sell to a
customer, and most OEMs do this, all in my experience. It would be way
outside Microsoft's intent for the System Builder program for an OEM to sell
you a computer and an "OEM" software package which you were then allowed to
install on any computer.

Of course people like Alias interpret "OEM Software" as meaning the exact
same thing as "Retail Software", except that they get it cheaper.

Earle

 

[Earle Horton]

Earle Horton wrote:
Earle Horton wrote:
Earle Horton wrote:
Thank you Milly. For purposes of OEM software licensing, "device"
refers to "motherboard".
Really? Have you got proof of this or are you interpreting again? My
OEM
EULA says *nothing* about a motherboard for both Office and XP.
It's on the top secret inner sanctum pages only revealed to genuine
Registered Members in the Microsoft Partner Program such as myself
(Organization Partner ID: 2337734 [Active] Horton Computer Service,
Silverton, CO). I even have a web site, see?

http://hortoncomputers.tripod.com/

The rationalization (and listen for once, you might learn something)
given is that the OEM who provided you with your computer cannot be
expected to continue to support either the computer or the OEM
software
pre-installed therein once you have upgraded a major component such
as a
motherboard. Once you do that you no longer qualify for the OEM's
excellent customer service, and your license to use the software,
which
you have actually received third party via the OEM, is no longer
valid.

Motherboard replacements are allowed for repair purposes,
but only with an identical replacement part. It would be extremely
unusual for the OP to have gotten an OEM Office Suite "uninstalled"
with a laptop purchase. The OEM software I have seen is already
"pre-installed" on the computer when you open the box. One of the
reasons that the retail product costs more, is that you are allowed
to
install it on multiple computers in succession.

Earle
Fact is, you are speculating but you're posting your speculation as
if
it were fact.
Why else would the retail product cost more, if it did not have more
value? By "more value" I mean the privilege of being able to call
Microsoft and pay for their excellent customer service, which you
cannot
do with your pathetic pirated OEM copy.

Cheers,

Earle
Um, I don't buy computers from OEMs. I build my own and, in essence, I
am
my own OEM and choose to support upgrading hardware, be it a hard
drive,
graphics card, processor or MOTHERBOARD. All my software is legally
and
properly licensed. I don't care what your speculative
"rationalization"
is; I care what is stated on what I agreed to. Your libelous and
totally
false accusation that I use pirated software was totally uncalled for.
In that case you are bound by the terms of the System Builder License.

http://www.microsoft.com/oem/sblicense/default.mspx

I believe that the relevant paragraph is this one.

5.b. «End User License Terms. You must distribute the Software pursuant
to
the end user license terms ("License Terms") that accompany it. Under
the
License Terms, you are the licensor.»

I find no way to interpret this that gives you the right to serially
install the software on multiple devices for your own use, pirate.

Cheers,

Earle
I never said it did. What did you get that from? I said I am bound by
the EULA that comes with the copy of Office that I bought and my EULA
says I may install it on one desktop and one laptop. It does not say
*anything* about a motherboard.

The OEM EULA does not say "one desktop and one laptop".

Earle

Mine most certainly does. Care to put some money where your mouth is? And
once you've been proven wrong, are you man enough to apologize for calling
me a pirate?

Alias

To find the applicable EULA in an installed copy of Office 2003, select Help
Menu, About... and then "View the End-User License Agreement".

Cheers,

Earle

 

[Alias]

Earle Horton wrote:
Earle Horton wrote:
Earle Horton wrote:
Thank you Milly. For purposes of OEM software licensing, "device"
refers to "motherboard".
Really? Have you got proof of this or are you interpreting again? My
OEM
EULA says *nothing* about a motherboard for both Office and XP.
It's on the top secret inner sanctum pages only revealed to genuine
Registered Members in the Microsoft Partner Program such as myself
(Organization Partner ID: 2337734 [Active] Horton Computer Service,
Silverton, CO). I even have a web site, see?

http://hortoncomputers.tripod.com/

The rationalization (and listen for once, you might learn something)
given is that the OEM who provided you with your computer cannot be
expected to continue to support either the computer or the OEM
software
pre-installed therein once you have upgraded a major component such
as a
motherboard. Once you do that you no longer qualify for the OEM's
excellent customer service, and your license to use the software,
which
you have actually received third party via the OEM, is no longer
valid.

Motherboard replacements are allowed for repair purposes,
but only with an identical replacement part. It would be extremely
unusual for the OP to have gotten an OEM Office Suite "uninstalled"
with a laptop purchase. The OEM software I have seen is already
"pre-installed" on the computer when you open the box. One of the
reasons that the retail product costs more, is that you are allowed
to
install it on multiple computers in succession.

Earle
Fact is, you are speculating but you're posting your speculation as
if
it were fact.
Why else would the retail product cost more, if it did not have more
value? By "more value" I mean the privilege of being able to call
Microsoft and pay for their excellent customer service, which you
cannot
do with your pathetic pirated OEM copy.

Cheers,

Earle
Um, I don't buy computers from OEMs. I build my own and, in essence, I
am
my own OEM and choose to support upgrading hardware, be it a hard
drive,
graphics card, processor or MOTHERBOARD. All my software is legally
and
properly licensed. I don't care what your speculative
"rationalization"
is; I care what is stated on what I agreed to. Your libelous and
totally
false accusation that I use pirated software was totally uncalled for.
In that case you are bound by the terms of the System Builder License.

http://www.microsoft.com/oem/sblicense/default.mspx

I believe that the relevant paragraph is this one.

5.b. «End User License Terms. You must distribute the Software pursuant
to
the end user license terms ("License Terms") that accompany it. Under
the
License Terms, you are the licensor.»

I find no way to interpret this that gives you the right to serially
install the software on multiple devices for your own use, pirate.

Cheers,

Earle
I never said it did. What did you get that from? I said I am bound by
the EULA that comes with the copy of Office that I bought and my EULA
says I may install it on one desktop and one laptop. It does not say
*anything* about a motherboard.

The OEM EULA does not say "one desktop and one laptop".

Earle

Mine most certainly does. Care to put some money where your mouth is? And
once you've been proven wrong, are you man enough to apologize for calling
me a pirate?

Alias

To find the applicable EULA in an installed copy of Office 2003, select Help
Menu, About... and then "View the End-User License Agreement".

Cheers,

Earle

I know that's why I know what it says. Duh!

Alias

 

[Alias]

You bought it as a System Builder. The OP says he got it with a laptop.
You are in a different legal situation than he is. The System Builder
license says you have to install it on a computer which you then sell to a
customer, and most OEMs do this, all in my experience. It would be way
outside Microsoft's intent for the System Builder program for an OEM to sell
you a computer and an "OEM" software package which you were then allowed to
install on any computer.

Of course people like Alias interpret "OEM Software" as meaning the exact
same thing as "Retail Software", except that they get it cheaper.

Earle

I'm not a registered system builder with Microsoft and I purchased it as
an individual user, not a business.

I interpret the difference in the permissions to move the software to a
new computer, not if you're allowed to install it on a desktop and a
laptop. IOW, once installed on both (or in the case that the EULA
doesn't allow both, on the computer), it may not be moved to different
computers. With Retail, you may move the software as much as you like as
long as you uninstall it on the old computers.

Now, there various different flavors of OEM. The OP's flavor is weird, I
must agree, and I have never seen that before but with MS, who knows
what flavor will be out next.

Alias

 

[Earle Horton]

I'm not a registered system builder with Microsoft and I purchased it as
an individual user, not a business.

You should register. It's free, and you get lots of amusing junk mail.

«Today kicks off Microsoft Skills Week, a great way to learn more about how
Microsoft Certification can launch and accelerate your career. All this
week, Microsoft Certified Partners for Learning Solutions around the U.S.
will host Microsoft Skills Week events. I encourage you to join Microsoft at
a live, local event near you and network with other IT professionals,
developers, and business leaders, get discounts on training and
certification, and maybe even win a cool prize.»

Also Download Notifications are moderately useful. I signed up for the
program just so I would have an avenue to replace damaged or lost media
should that ever become necessary. Also I am not entirely sure that MSFT
intends OEM software for purchase by end users. Now I am a "business"
installing copies of OEM software for the purpose of selling it. It's just
that I haven't sold any copies yet.

;^)

Earle

 

[Alias]

You should register. It's free, and you get lots of amusing junk mail.

I get a lot of that already.

«Today kicks off Microsoft Skills Week, a great way to learn more about how
Microsoft Certification can launch and accelerate your career. All this
week, Microsoft Certified Partners for Learning Solutions around the U.S.
will host Microsoft Skills Week events. I encourage you to join Microsoft at
a live, local event near you and network with other IT professionals,
developers, and business leaders, get discounts on training and
certification, and maybe even win a cool prize.»

Not really interested in getting a "degree" from MS.

Also Download Notifications are moderately useful. I signed up for the
program just so I would have an avenue to replace damaged or lost media
should that ever become necessary. Also I am not entirely sure that MSFT
intends OEM software for purchase by end users. Now I am a "business"
installing copies of OEM software for the purpose of selling it. It's just
that I haven't sold any copies yet.

LOL! Try putting flyers round like the Chinese restaurants do and do it
near your home so that in situ troubleshooting is close by.

;^)

Earle

You can get generic OEM software at www.newegg.com and other places like
computer shows. A friend of mine picked one up in the USA and sent it to
me as the price here is substantially more than there.

Alias