Outlook 2007 worth it

J

Jim S

I have OfficeXP as a home user.
I use Word and Excel and Powerpoint (only to display pp files sent to me). I
would use Outlook except that even with plug-ins it does not handle spam
very well.
Is Outlook2007 a major step forward?
If so, how and can I buy it separately as I cannot afford the full Office
package again.
 
K

KnightCrawler

Outlook 2007 will be about $100 from online stores on January 30th from
what I've read.

Sadly Outlook is the biggest problem in the new Office 2007 suite. The
rest of the suite is pretty good but Outlook needs some work before it
is fully ready for critical use.

The Trial can be downloaded from here:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...bf-d86a-4acf-9dcc-4d61f500ad6d&displaylang=en

or here: http://us1.trymicrosoftoffice.com/default.aspx?culture=en-US

If Office XP has a backup wizard like Office 2003 I'd recommend running
it first so you can uninstall Office 2007 and reinstall Office XP and
then restore all the settings.
 
K

KnightCrawler

1. Send and Recieve causes CPU spikes that lock up the machine.

2. When reading and writing to .PST files it also has CPU spikes that
freeze the machine.

3. No animated .GIF or .SWF for Signatures anymore.

4. Doesn't properly render HTML since it now uses Word 2007 for email
instead of IE.

5. Uses more memory.

6. Ribbon can't be customized as easy as the toolbars.

PS: Your trying to sell a book so of course you love it and want
everyone to upgrade so you can sell more.
 
P

Patrick Schmid [MVP]

Regarding 1 & 2. This is not necessarily going to happen for everyone.
Those spikes occur dependent on your configuration. It can be said
though that if you use POP3, you might have some locking issues during
send/receive, and if you have a large PST file (>1 GB) then you might
have some performance issues.
4: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/05/56
5: Yes, but memory is dynamically freed if other programs request it. So
you really can't go by what it shows as its memory consumption.
6. True, but I have an add-in that lets you do it. The latest beta is at
http://pschmid.net/office2007/forums/viewtopic.php?t=111. It doesn't
support individual command customization for Outlook yet, but I am
hoping to have that included by tomorrow.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed
 
M

Mike

Outlook 2007 (and Office 2007 in general) is like any other update - 2 steps
foward and 1 step back. Command customization (as Patrick knows) is my
biggest complaint; Microsoft, and some MVP's, appear to be repeating the
same questionable reasoning - nobody wanted it, few people in the beta
complained, etc. I find one explanation - enterprise users will like it
because it restricts user changes - particularly amusing; working on a help
desk that supports several hundred users, I know this 'one size fits nobody'
approach is going to cause numerous problems. Office 2007 forces users to
change the way they work, and frequently not in the most efficient manner.
The lack of customization is likely to effect visually impaired users who
are unable to change font or icon sizes, chose to display just text or
icons, or customize the ribbon to display the features they use. Microsoft
is not going to hear the vast majority of end user complaints about 2007, so
I'm not hopeful these problems will get fixed soon.

Having dispensed with the negative, I do like most of what I see in Outlook
2007. Little things - like better customization of the view panes - are
very handy for day to day stuff. The new built in editor (Word 2007) -
which I at first loudly opposed - works quite well. As for rendering HTML
email - to me that's always going to be a problem due to the nature of HTML;
if I'm really concerned I'll open the message in a browser. I wish
Microsoft would update the 10+ year old field schema that hasn't changed
since Outlook 97 (anybody use Telex, or only need 3 email addresses?), but I
know I'm in a small group of users looking for that.

Just my $0.02...

Mike

Patrick Schmid said:
Regarding 1 & 2. This is not necessarily going to happen for everyone.
Those spikes occur dependent on your configuration. It can be said though
that if you use POP3, you might have some locking issues during
send/receive, and if you have a large PST file (>1 GB) then you might have
some performance issues.
4: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/05/56
5: Yes, but memory is dynamically freed if other programs request it. So
you really can't go by what it shows as its memory consumption.
6. True, but I have an add-in that lets you do it. The latest beta is at
http://pschmid.net/office2007/forums/viewtopic.php?t=111. It doesn't
support individual command customization for Outlook yet, but I am hoping
to have that included by tomorrow.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed

1. Send and Recieve causes CPU spikes that lock up the machine.

2. When reading and writing to .PST files it also has CPU spikes that
freeze the machine.

3. No animated .GIF or .SWF for Signatures anymore.

4. Doesn't properly render HTML since it now uses Word 2007 for email
instead of IE.

5. Uses more memory.

6. Ribbon can't be customized as easy as the toolbars.

PS: Your trying to sell a book so of course you love it and want
everyone to upgrade so you can sell more.
 
P

Patrick Schmid [MVP]

same questionable reasoning - nobody wanted it, few people in the beta
complained, etc. I find one explanation - enterprise users will like it
I am not sure where you got this from. Microsoft based their decision on
usage data collected with Office 2003. According to MS the usage data
had a fair representation of power users (who tend to customize), but
ask any MVP and they'll say that the data was prob. skewed. I have yet
to find a power user who didn't turn off that reporting feature!
Also, the complaints during the beta were extremely loud and clear, but
Microsoft told everyone in very clear terms that customization won't
happen.
So just to set the record straight: MVPs don't like this situation at
all and when you hear them talking about the lack of customization, it
is always trying to explain Microsoft's reasoning, not justifying it.
For a longer discussion of this:
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/14/66
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/18/68
and if you want real command customization: Take a look a the beta of my
add-in http://pschmid.net/office2007/forums/viewtopic.php?t=111

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed
 
M

Mike

Sorry - I guess it was just one MVP (my own skewed data collection!). Since
it seems like Microsoft is actively not listening, as opposed to just
ignoring users, I'm wondering if an Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA)
lawsuit is going to be the only way to get someone there to pay attention.

Mike

Patrick Schmid said:
same questionable reasoning - nobody wanted it, few people in the beta
complained, etc. I find one explanation - enterprise users will like it
I am not sure where you got this from. Microsoft based their decision on
usage data collected with Office 2003. According to MS the usage data had
a fair representation of power users (who tend to customize), but ask any
MVP and they'll say that the data was prob. skewed. I have yet to find a
power user who didn't turn off that reporting feature!
Also, the complaints during the beta were extremely loud and clear, but
Microsoft told everyone in very clear terms that customization won't
happen.
So just to set the record straight: MVPs don't like this situation at all
and when you hear them talking about the lack of customization, it is
always trying to explain Microsoft's reasoning, not justifying it.
For a longer discussion of this:
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/14/66
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/18/68
and if you want real command customization: Take a look a the beta of my
add-in http://pschmid.net/office2007/forums/viewtopic.php?t=111

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed
 
P

Patrick Schmid [MVP]

Nope, it won't, because Office 2007 is actually very accessible. In
fact, it is the most accessible version of Office ever.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed

Sorry - I guess it was just one MVP (my own skewed data collection!). Since
it seems like Microsoft is actively not listening, as opposed to just
ignoring users, I'm wondering if an Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA)
lawsuit is going to be the only way to get someone there to pay attention.

Mike

Patrick Schmid said:
same questionable reasoning - nobody wanted it, few people in the beta
complained, etc. I find one explanation - enterprise users will like it
I am not sure where you got this from. Microsoft based their decision on
usage data collected with Office 2003. According to MS the usage data had
a fair representation of power users (who tend to customize), but ask any
MVP and they'll say that the data was prob. skewed. I have yet to find a
power user who didn't turn off that reporting feature!
Also, the complaints during the beta were extremely loud and clear, but
Microsoft told everyone in very clear terms that customization won't
happen.
So just to set the record straight: MVPs don't like this situation at all
and when you hear them talking about the lack of customization, it is
always trying to explain Microsoft's reasoning, not justifying it.
For a longer discussion of this:
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/14/66
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/18/68
and if you want real command customization: Take a look a the beta of my
add-in http://pschmid.net/office2007/forums/viewtopic.php?t=111

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed
 
M

Mike

Most accessible how? Given how the ribbon is locked down, it is impossible
to make any changes to icon or label sizes - if an icon is defined as
'small' there's nothing you can do to change that. Thus a user who
previously would make toolbar icons large has no way to do that in 2007, nor
is there a method to specificy 'text only' or 'icons only'. Finally, while
setting changes in Windows might be reflected in Office, this completely
ignores the fact that this is relative - small ribbon icons will just be
slightly less small.

I really see this as a major problem.

Mike
 
P

Patrick Schmid [MVP]

I am not an accessibility expert, but one who is participated in the
Office beta and she never complained about a lack of accessibility of
the UI (she did however find every single item that was not accessible
via the keyboard and got that fixed...)
Keep in mind that accessible users generally use adaptive technology
with their computers. There are screen readers, screen magnification,
Text-To-Speech, Voice recognition and alternative input devices. The
support of those technologies (which is btw completely invisible to
non-accessible users) is pretty good in Office 2007. In fact, the
accessibility issues in Office 2007 are mostly related to documents
themselves (although the current state is an improvement over Office
2003). For example, there are certain items in Word documents and PPT
presentations that are just not accessible and an accessible user will
not even know that they are there. For example in Word, text boxes and
paragraph frames are completely inaccessible.
In addition, the Windows High Contrast mode is also supported by Office.
To sum it up, accessibility is not dependent on whether you can
customize the UI, but it is much more dependent on the UI's support for
adaptive technology.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed

Most accessible how? Given how the ribbon is locked down, it is impossible
to make any changes to icon or label sizes - if an icon is defined as
'small' there's nothing you can do to change that. Thus a user who
previously would make toolbar icons large has no way to do that in 2007, nor
is there a method to specificy 'text only' or 'icons only'. Finally, while
setting changes in Windows might be reflected in Office, this completely
ignores the fact that this is relative - small ribbon icons will just be
slightly less small.

I really see this as a major problem.

Mike

Patrick Schmid said:
Nope, it won't, because Office 2007 is actually very accessible. In fact,
it is the most accessible version of Office ever.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed
 
M

Mike

Much of the adaptive technology (eg, screen readers, braille keyboards) are
for users who are either legally or completely blind. However, there are
numerous users who can see but not well (eg, severely nearsighted). For
users such as this - or simply older users - being able to to customize the
UI is critical. 2007 has been designed for a higher resolution (1024 x 768
at least - at 800 x 600 things dialog controls start getting clipped), again
making it difficult for users with vision problems to use. Customization,
such as increasing the size of the icons and text, as well as eliminating
non-essential items from the toolbars, becomes increasingly important - if
you are making the icons & text larger, there is less room to display all of
them (to quote Jensen Harris -- "The result on a small monitor is that when
you enable large fonts, fewer controls can be labeled in the same amount of
space"). I see a similar problem when making places (as opposed to
programs) accessible - lengthy ramps are okay if you are in a wheelchair,
but horrible for people who walk with a cane.

One other thought - and that is people with coordination disorders (eg,
Parkinsons, cerebral palsy); small icons, as well icons tightly spaced, can
also be difficult for them to use because they are more likely to not click
in the right place. Obviously speech recognition helps significantly, but
an adaptable interface is also helpful. And Office 2007 is not adaptable.

If you look at Microsoft's reasoning for accessibility in Office 2007, they
ignore adaptability. The ribbon is a place to put more stuff (whether or not
you ever use or can see it). The keyboard is great for those wanting to
memorize several hundred keyboard combinations (again, KeyTips aren't very
handy if you can't see the tiny letters). Nothing about how Office can be
customized to suit your needs, but a lot about how you can change to work
with Office.

So Office 2007 maybe accessible for some, but not for all.

Mike

Patrick Schmid said:
I am not an accessibility expert, but one who is participated in the Office
beta and she never complained about a lack of accessibility of the UI (she
did however find every single item that was not accessible via the keyboard
and got that fixed...)
Keep in mind that accessible users generally use adaptive technology with
their computers. There are screen readers, screen magnification,
Text-To-Speech, Voice recognition and alternative input devices. The
support of those technologies (which is btw completely invisible to
non-accessible users) is pretty good in Office 2007. In fact, the
accessibility issues in Office 2007 are mostly related to documents
themselves (although the current state is an improvement over Office
2003). For example, there are certain items in Word documents and PPT
presentations that are just not accessible and an accessible user will not
even know that they are there. For example in Word, text boxes and
paragraph frames are completely inaccessible.
In addition, the Windows High Contrast mode is also supported by Office.
To sum it up, accessibility is not dependent on whether you can customize
the UI, but it is much more dependent on the UI's support for adaptive
technology.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed
 
P

Patrick Schmid [MVP]

I'll happily sell everyone who wants it my add-in for $29.99 so that
they can remove unnecessary icons, make the others bigger, etc.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed

Much of the adaptive technology (eg, screen readers, braille keyboards) are
for users who are either legally or completely blind. However, there are
numerous users who can see but not well (eg, severely nearsighted). For
users such as this - or simply older users - being able to to customize the
UI is critical. 2007 has been designed for a higher resolution (1024 x 768
at least - at 800 x 600 things dialog controls start getting clipped), again
making it difficult for users with vision problems to use. Customization,
such as increasing the size of the icons and text, as well as eliminating
non-essential items from the toolbars, becomes increasingly important - if
you are making the icons & text larger, there is less room to display all of
them (to quote Jensen Harris -- "The result on a small monitor is that when
you enable large fonts, fewer controls can be labeled in the same amount of
space"). I see a similar problem when making places (as opposed to
programs) accessible - lengthy ramps are okay if you are in a wheelchair,
but horrible for people who walk with a cane.

One other thought - and that is people with coordination disorders (eg,
Parkinsons, cerebral palsy); small icons, as well icons tightly spaced, can
also be difficult for them to use because they are more likely to not click
in the right place. Obviously speech recognition helps significantly, but
an adaptable interface is also helpful. And Office 2007 is not adaptable.

If you look at Microsoft's reasoning for accessibility in Office 2007, they
ignore adaptability. The ribbon is a place to put more stuff (whether or not
you ever use or can see it). The keyboard is great for those wanting to
memorize several hundred keyboard combinations (again, KeyTips aren't very
handy if you can't see the tiny letters). Nothing about how Office can be
customized to suit your needs, but a lot about how you can change to work
with Office.

So Office 2007 maybe accessible for some, but not for all.

Mike

Patrick Schmid said:
I am not an accessibility expert, but one who is participated in the Office
beta and she never complained about a lack of accessibility of the UI (she
did however find every single item that was not accessible via the keyboard
and got that fixed...)
Keep in mind that accessible users generally use adaptive technology with
their computers. There are screen readers, screen magnification,
Text-To-Speech, Voice recognition and alternative input devices. The
support of those technologies (which is btw completely invisible to
non-accessible users) is pretty good in Office 2007. In fact, the
accessibility issues in Office 2007 are mostly related to documents
themselves (although the current state is an improvement over Office
2003). For example, there are certain items in Word documents and PPT
presentations that are just not accessible and an accessible user will not
even know that they are there. For example in Word, text boxes and
paragraph frames are completely inaccessible.
In addition, the Windows High Contrast mode is also supported by Office.
To sum it up, accessibility is not dependent on whether you can customize
the UI, but it is much more dependent on the UI's support for adaptive
technology.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed
 
M

Mike

Patrick,

I thought that Ribbon icon sizes (eg, the Bold button is tiny but the Paste
button is large) were hard coded. The explanation being that this was
necessary to allow the ribbon to resize. Does your add-in get around this?
If so, what happens to the ribbon as the windows is resized?

Mike
 
P

Patrick Schmid [MVP]

Yes, they are hardcoded. But nothing stops you from making your own
group that has the buttons large and hiding the built-in one. When you
resize the window, those groups will not collapse but rather you'll get
a big scroll button in the ribbon and the ribbon becomes scrollable.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed


Patrick,

I thought that Ribbon icon sizes (eg, the Bold button is tiny but the Paste
button is large) were hard coded. The explanation being that this was
necessary to allow the ribbon to resize. Does your add-in get around this?
If so, what happens to the ribbon as the windows is resized?

Mike

Patrick Schmid said:
I'll happily sell everyone who wants it my add-in for $29.99 so that they
can remove unnecessary icons, make the others bigger, etc.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed
 
K

KnightCrawler

The instant search feature was available in 2003 version with the FREE
add in Lookout v1.2, in the 2007 version it no longer works so you are
forced to install Microsoft desktop search to get index searching.
 
P

Patrick Schmid [MVP]

If you want to play with it, download it from
http://pschmid.net/office2007/forums/viewtopic.php?p=416 and use the 30
days trial.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed

Yes, they are hardcoded. But nothing stops you from making your own
group that has the buttons large and hiding the built-in one. When you
resize the window, those groups will not collapse but rather you'll get
a big scroll button in the ribbon and the ribbon becomes scrollable.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed


Patrick,

I thought that Ribbon icon sizes (eg, the Bold button is tiny but the Paste
button is large) were hard coded. The explanation being that this was
necessary to allow the ribbon to resize. Does your add-in get around this?
If so, what happens to the ribbon as the windows is resized?

Mike

Patrick Schmid said:
I'll happily sell everyone who wants it my add-in for $29.99 so that they
can remove unnecessary icons, make the others bigger, etc.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed
 
K

KnightCrawler

Buy $400 worth of software and then pay another $30 to customize
it.......sigh.

If you want to play with it, download it fromhttp://pschmid.net/office2007/forums/viewtopic.php?p=416and use the 30
days trial.

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Patrick Schmid said:
Yes, they are hardcoded. But nothing stops you from making your own
group that has the buttons large and hiding the built-in one. When you
resize the window, those groups will not collapse but rather you'll get
a big scroll button in the ribbon and the ribbon becomes scrollable.
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Patrick,
I thought that Ribbon icon sizes (eg, the Bold button is tiny but the Paste
button is large) were hard coded. The explanation being that this was
necessary to allow the ribbon to resize. Does your add-in get around this?
If so, what happens to the ribbon as the windows is resized?
Mike
I'll happily sell everyone who wants it my add-in for $29.99 so that they
can remove unnecessary icons, make the others bigger, etc.
Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
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Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007:http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In:http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer
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Patrick Schmid [MVP]

You'll have to complain to MS about that...I want them to put me out of
business and make the ribbon end-user customizable, but that isn't going
to happen for Office 2007. Who knows what they'll do for the version
after that.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
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***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
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Buy $400 worth of software and then pay another $30 to customize
it.......sigh.

If you want to play with it, download it fromhttp://pschmid.net/office2007/forums/viewtopic.php?p=416and use the 30
days trial.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues:http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007:http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In:http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer
OneNote 2007:http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog:http://pschmid.net/blog/feed

Patrick Schmid said:
Yes, they are hardcoded. But nothing stops you from making your own
group that has the buttons large and hiding the built-in one. When you
resize the window, those groups will not collapse but rather you'll get
a big scroll button in the ribbon and the ribbon becomes scrollable.
Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues:http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007:http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In:http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer
OneNote 2007:http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog:http://pschmid.net/blog/feed
I thought that Ribbon icon sizes (eg, the Bold button is tiny but the Paste
button is large) were hard coded. The explanation being that this was
necessary to allow the ribbon to resize. Does your add-in get around this?
If so, what happens to the ribbon as the windows is resized?

I'll happily sell everyone who wants it my add-in for $29.99 so that they
can remove unnecessary icons, make the others bigger, etc.
Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues:http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007:http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In:http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer
OneNote 2007:http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog:http://pschmid.net/blog/feed
 
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Mike

The problem with this, if I recall, is that another add-in could reinstate
the built in group since it is impossible to 'turn off' a built in group,
only hide it. Aside from that, this means recreating an entire group just
to remove and/or resize one or two items, as well as the ribbon not really
functioning very well (perhaps a fair trade off for customization, but yet
one more thing to have to life with in 2007). I'm thinking of Word's
ridiculous home toolbar; the clipboard group I don't need at all, and 2/3rds
of the font group is pretty much useless for me. Probably only half of the
paragraph group is wasted space. I find it double-speak on Microsoft's part
that they claim they moved away from the 'auto detect' menus in 2007 - I
guess in 2007 you could call it 'mono detect'. Also, although I haven't
installed your add-in yet, it does not appear to have a way to chose icons
or labels only.

Has anyone at Microsoft suggested either licensing your tool or purchasing
it outright and providing it free to users? That, obviously, assumes you'd
want to do that.

Mike
 

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