Poor Webmaster Personal Sites

[Bob Lehmann]

No. The uninvited music download makes the page take too long to download.

If you must have music, at least make it optional.

Bob Lehmann

 

[scorpion53061]

Hi Bob!!

Good to see you in another ng besides vb.net

Did the rest of the page download while the music was loading?

 

[Bob Lehmann]

Websites are software... Computer programs.
Web pages that consist of nothing but HTML are not programs. That's like
calling a letter you wrote in a Word Processor a program.
HTML isn't code any more than applying BOLD to a word in the above-mentioned
letter is code.

Coding is extremely important for any site that has dynamic content, True

or does anything complex (Amazon.com, for example, that's one project you couldn't do
just by installing FrontPage and posting a couple static web pages and some
pretty graphics).

If it was static, then it wouldn't be dynamic, now would it? But, I bet FP
could be used to recreate amazon.com.

1) it's generally best not to let a site sit with the same content and layout
forever - you should freshen it up on a regular basis

What does that have to do with it being error free?

Bob Lehmann

 

[Bob Lehmann]

4. Marketeting people
phhhtttt! Excuse me for a moment while I clean my monitor.

"Marketeting" people are Webmasters as much as they are Automotive
Engineers.
"Uh, yeah - I'm from marketing, and I think the horsepower could be
increased in the new model by <insert stupid, clueless suggestion here>."

"Marketeting" people are the ones who are totally clueless and say things
like...
"It is not acceptable that the Session cannot be kept alive without making a
trip back to the Server." and
"What's the problem? Can't you just put an If... Then in there?"

You're probably just like this dumbass Sals Manager where I work.
We had an extremely complex install going on that was going to take almost 3
hours. He wanted to demo the site for the customer, before they left town in
a half hour. When told how long it would be, he informed us that these were
very important customers, and there *must* be a way to "make it happen".

Sorry, but Sales & Marketing people are pretty much idiots about everything
except Sales & Marketing. Kinda like the commercial where the 2 consultants
tell the boss that they don't actually implement the suggestions they are
making.

Bob Lehmann

 

[Steve Sobol]

Web pages that consist of nothing but HTML are not programs. That's like
calling a letter you wrote in a Word Processor a program.

Web pages containing any kind of active scripting or with any kind of
programming on the backend are what I'm referring to. You're right; if it's
exclusively HTML, it's just text with markup. But add Javascript, Flash, or
generate the code dynamically using a scripting or programming language... then
programming is involved (with Flash, I'd go further and say you have to have
some programming logic involved to consider it having been programmed, but you
get the idea)

If it was static, then it wouldn't be dynamic, now would it? But, I bet FP
could be used to recreate amazon.com.

You bet FP could be used to recreate amazon.com? Just FP, with no programming
on the backend? I'll take that bet any day.

What does that have to do with it being error free?

I was responding to the implication that it's ok to let the site just sit there
and never do anything with it.

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JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4NET (4638)
Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / (e-mail address removed) / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED

"The wisdom of a fool won't set you free"
--New Order, "Bizarre Love Triangle"

 

[Bob Lehmann]

Eventually. I have a 512K connection and it's still slow.

Bob Lehmann

 

[Stephen Horrillo]

not looking to
administer or create other people's web sites, just to publish data
that is accessible, not standard, not compatible, not cutting edge,
just accessible!

Matt

Yours is pretty good. Just sorry I clicked on that werewolf ad!

--
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[Stephen Horrillo]

If truth be told, your site is probably one of the best examples of the
porpose for which the internet was originally created....

To survive a nuclear Holocaust?

--
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Stephen Horrillo, Realtor / C.Ht.
For MLS & Computer Training: http://www.BrokerAgentTraining.com
Realtors Earn Over 100% at EXIT: http://www.over100percent.com

 

[Stephen Horrillo]

Egads! 260KB for one (rather short) page? How did you manage that it?!

I don't know. I'm using Mambo and I'm just starting to learn.

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Stephen Horrillo, Realtor / C.Ht.
For MLS & Computer Training: http://www.BrokerAgentTraining.com
Realtors Earn Over 100% at EXIT: http://www.over100percent.com

 

[Steve Sobol]

Yours is pretty good.

It's not an attractive site. But for Matt, that's okay because he's going for
functionality, and not attractiveness, as he pointed out earlier.

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Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / (e-mail address removed) / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED

"The wisdom of a fool won't set you free"
--New Order, "Bizarre Love Triangle"

 

[scorpion53061]

Does the page load before the sound so that it is functional? If you wnated
to go somewhere else before the sound started can you?

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Well thank you for the constructive critisicism.

You're welcome.

If you are interested, here is what the Googlebot will see. Notice
there is no menu to follow to index all your pages:
<http://www.delorie.com/web/lynxview.cgi?url=http://www.jerichoband.net>

This page may be of interest as well. Enter your main URL:
<http://www.websiteoptimization.com/services/analyze/>
The total size of your page is: 551712 bytes
People on dialup will not wait around for a half-megabyte.

 

[Gerry for email use my name at dergal dt com]

There's something that's been bothering me and I hope it's not taken the
wrong way. Why is it that the Web Designers on these groups have such
amateurish personal (and professional) websites. They sound so knowledgeable
in what they say but most sites look like a 10 year old designed them. Is it
because they're working so hard on other people's sites they neglect their
own? Sort of like the gourmet chef that eats TV dinner when he gets home
from work. I've known some maids and house cleaners whose home's were as
dirty as can be. Is it that sort of syndrome of are these people just full
of it?

I have to be honest I agree with your initial statement ... so many
people are so quick to judge, based on the code and what it looks like ...

I would be willing to get some feedback on the sites I have worked on

www.dergal.com is a very old design, and I am anxious to update it, as
you said sometimes you don't want to go home and do the day job...

www.Gosw.gov.uk I was the content manager / web designer / general
project manager for it ... its being scrapped soon btw

http://www.spn.ie/shop.asp is a preview of a site, which is under
development ... and www.DayoAudi.co.uk will shortly be looking like it ...

I have to be honest "web designer" or developer is NOT what is on my CV,
I prefer the web marketing aspects, content management or project
management - however I do dabble ... probably because of my experiences
in webmarketing etc... I do putting a higher priority on the visual
aspects of the asthetics / usability / experience than the code ...
However your site needs to sort out the code before it will be any good,
and calling it "the" standard Microsoft is a bit crap.

Different sites have different purposes, and different target audiences ...

Gerry

 

[Bob Lehmann]

You bet FP could be used to recreate amazon.com? Just FP, with no
programming on the backend? I'll take that bet any day.

See, now you're qualifying what you said earlier - typical alt.* tactics. I
couldn't recreate my own dopey site, with any program, without doing backend
programming. You're such a dumbass.

FP could do the programming on the backend - ASP, PHP, PERL. But, if you are
talking about Database creation and management, Compiled binary Services
(dlls), used by the web app and other such periphery, then *NO* program can,
or should, beable to do that.

Do you know of any program that *could* create amazon.com, all on its own,
without any backend programming?
God, you're stupid! Are you some kind of Sales & Marketing 'tard?

Bob Lehmann

 

[Bob Lehmann]

If you wnated to go somewhere else before the sound started can you?
No.

Bob Lehmann

 

[Bob Lehmann]

What's really funny, is now this jerk is complaining that we have failed to
deliver, on time - meaning our original timeline - after the customer has
deluged us with Change Requests and new features.

To make it worse, he tried to motivate us by telling us that the customer's
executives' bonuses would be affected by us not delivering on time - sheesh!
Uh, yeah, I'm working 70+ plus hours a week already, and now you want me to
work more so some executard, and you, can make more money??

This guy is a total CMA (Cover My Ass) kind of guy - gee, I did my part,
what's the problem? - with absolutely no technical background - grrrrrr.

Bob Lehmann

in message ah, the olde; sell it first, build it later mentality...my EX-partner was
one of them - i hope he's swimming with the phishes now.

4. Marketeting people

phhhtttt! Excuse me for a moment while I clean my monitor.

"Marketeting" people are Webmasters as much as they are Automotive
Engineers.
"Uh, yeah - I'm from marketing, and I think the horsepower could be
increased in the new model by <insert stupid, clueless suggestion here>."

"Marketeting" people are the ones who are totally clueless and say things
like...
"It is not acceptable that the Session cannot be kept alive without making a
trip back to the Server." and
"What's the problem? Can't you just put an If... Then in there?"

You're probably just like this dumbass Sals Manager where I work.
We had an extremely complex install going on that was going to take almost 3
hours. He wanted to demo the site for the customer, before they left town in
a half hour. When told how long it would be, he informed us that these were
very important customers, and there *must* be a way to "make it happen".

Sorry, but Sales & Marketing people are pretty much idiots about everything
except Sales & Marketing. Kinda like the commercial where the 2 consultants
tell the boss that they don't actually implement the suggestions they are
making.

Bob Lehmann

 

[David Preston]

I don't know. I'm using Mambo and I'm just starting to learn.

er, FF reports it at 40kb, where do you get 260kb?

 

[saz]

But I don't hold myself out to be a web designer. I've been forced to hack
it out myself because I can't find anyone I would hire or even felt they
were good enough to refer business to. I wish I could find someone because a
lot of Realtors I train are asking for websites and some have big bucks to
spend. I've found these SEO guy's are full of it too. They promise to put
your site in the top ten but they can't get their own site anywhere close.

I've designed sites for 3 realtors - every one of them much better than
the crap you "hacked" out.

It appears you never looked very hard or you would have found many
people that could do the job better than you.

And I have no interest in designing for you. You would be a nightmare
to work with.

 

[saz]

Try http://www.BrokerAgentTraining.com/CMS. It's not my template but this is
more what I personally like to see.

Poor example. Very boring and does nothing to spark my interest. If
that's the example you like, then you really have no idea what is good
design vs. bad design.

 

[Steve Sobol]

programming on the backend? I'll take that bet any day.

See, now you're qualifying what you said earlier

Come on. You replied to what I said, and I was talking about coding.

Do you know of any program that *could* create amazon.com, all on its own,
without any backend programming?
God, you're stupid! Are you some kind of Sales & Marketing 'tard?

Heh. No, I've been a techie for a long time, and have been a techie-for-pay
since 1995 (since 1989 if you count my desktop publishing work, but that's
technical work of a different nature, and I don't count it).

--
JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4NET (4638)
Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / (e-mail address removed) / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED

"The wisdom of a fool won't set you free"
--New Order, "Bizarre Love Triangle"