The End Is Near

[LD5SZRA]

So it may . That's a very grey area. Surely it was firstly up to the Op to
use his/her conscience, and secondly, but most importantly the "mvp
moderator" should have posted REASONS why it possibly violated the licensing
agreement - and not just arbitrarily delete posts.....

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[LD5SZRA]

<http://groups.google.co.uk/group/mi...en&lnk=gst&q=The+End+Is+Near#1c59d0d1d1b6f548>

...and if I'd posted this to a forum it never would've been seen.

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[Ben M. Schorr, MVP]

Well surely a newsgroup veteran like yourself knows full well that MVPs are
not Microsoft employees. If an MVP decided to delete your post then that
was an individual's decision.

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[Ben M. Schorr, MVP]

Well, miraculously, to the best of my knowledge, none of my 2,000+ forum
posts (a great many of which direct people to non-Microsoft
answers/solutions) have been deleted.

Actually, that's not true...*I* deleted one of my posts once when, just
after posting it, I realized I had misread the question and given an
incorrect answer. I then reposted with what I believed to be a better
answer.

Otherwise...

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[Gordon]

Well surely a newsgroup veteran like yourself knows full well that MVPs
are not Microsoft employees. If an MVP decided to delete your post then
that was an individual's decision.

But that's the whole point - it was an INDIVIDUAL, ARBITRARY decision.
NO-ONE should be allowed to delete posts.

 

[Gordon]

Well surely a newsgroup veteran like yourself knows full well that MVPs
are not Microsoft employees. If an MVP decided to delete your post then
that was an individual's decision.

In addition, posts can and should be deleted IF they are racist, abusive etc
etc. Mine certainly was NOT.

 

[Tom Willett]

It's gonna be a whole new ballgame, Gordon. All you can do is get used to
it.

Tom
:
: : > Well surely a newsgroup veteran like yourself knows full well that MVPs
: > are not Microsoft employees. If an MVP decided to delete your post then
: > that was an individual's decision.
: >
:
: But that's the whole point - it was an INDIVIDUAL, ARBITRARY decision.
: NO-ONE should be allowed to delete posts.
:

 

[Tim Slattery]

But that's the whole point - it was an INDIVIDUAL, ARBITRARY decision.
NO-ONE should be allowed to delete posts.

I was an MVP for something like 12 years, and I can tell you that MVPs
CANNOT delete posts. Whatever happened to you, it was NOT an MVP
deleting your post.

 

[Tom Willett]

:
: >
: >: >> Well surely a newsgroup veteran like yourself knows full well that MVPs
: >> are not Microsoft employees. If an MVP decided to delete your post
then
: >> that was an individual's decision.
: >>
: >
: >But that's the whole point - it was an INDIVIDUAL, ARBITRARY decision.
: >NO-ONE should be allowed to delete posts.
:
: I was an MVP for something like 12 years, and I can tell you that MVPs
: CANNOT delete posts. Whatever happened to you, it was NOT an MVP
: deleting your post.
:

If the MVP is a moderator, he would be deleting it.
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[Steve Rindsberg]

I was an MVP for something like 12 years, and I can tell you that MVPs
CANNOT delete posts. Whatever happened to you, it was NOT an MVP
deleting your post.

This is true of newsgroups like this. It's not necessarily true of the new
forums that Gordon's talking about, if I'm not mistaken. Moderators there,
some of whom are MVPs, can delete posts.

If moderators are deleting posts simply because they're critical of MS, then
there probably won't be many MVP+moderators left after a short while.

 

[Tom Willett]

:
: This is true of newsgroups like this. It's not necessarily true of the
new
: forums that Gordon's talking about, if I'm not mistaken. Moderators
there,
: some of whom are MVPs, can delete posts.

:
: If moderators are deleting posts simply because they're critical of MS,
then
: there probably won't be many MVP+moderators left after a short while.

Perhaps the MS guidelines allow for it. At this point, it's all
second-guessing. Only MS and the Moderators know for sure.

:
:
:

 

[Tim Slattery]

If the MVP is a moderator, he would be deleting it.

These groups are not moderated. MS has filtering software that blocks
out spam. They don't tell anybody exactly how it works and exactly
what's filtered, definitely not MVPs.

Some MS employee(s) somewhere has (have) power to delete postings on
msnews.microsoft.com. Definitely NOT MVPs (who are not MS employees).

 

[Tim Slattery]

This is true of newsgroups like this. It's not necessarily true of the new
forums that Gordon's talking about, if I'm not mistaken. Moderators there,
some of whom are MVPs, can delete posts.

OK, I know nothing about the forums. I accept what you say.

If moderators are deleting posts simply because they're critical of MS, then
there probably won't be many MVP+moderators left after a short while.

I'd certainly agree with that!

 

[Tom Willett]

We're talking about the new forums, not these nntp groups.
:
:
: >If the MVP is a moderator, he would be deleting it.
:
: These groups are not moderated. MS has filtering software that blocks
: out spam. They don't tell anybody exactly how it works and exactly
: what's filtered, definitely not MVPs.
:
: Some MS employee(s) somewhere has (have) power to delete postings on
: msnews.microsoft.com. Definitely NOT MVPs (who are not MS employees).
:
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[LD5SZRA]

In addition, posts can and should be deleted IF they are racist, abusive etc
etc. Mine certainly was NOT.

No but you are encouraging people to break the licensing terms
resulting in Micro$hit losing revenues at a time when software
sales is very much down due to economic mismanagement of your
elected leaders!

hth

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[LD5SZRA]

I was an MVP for something like 12 years, and I can tell you that MVPs
CANNOT delete posts. Whatever happened to you, it was NOT an MVP
deleting your post.

Ah but you were not a senior MVP; You were only a boot boy
cleaning the dirty boots of Carey Frish who has full control of
the "DELETE" button!

HTH
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[Michael]

Ah but you were not a senior MVP; You were only a boot boy
cleaning the dirty boots of Carey Frish who has full control of
the "DELETE" button!

If that were true you'd be nothing but a figment of your imagination.

HTH

Not really.

 

[LD5SZRA]

there probably won't be many MVP+moderators left after a short while.

If this becomes a reality over the next few months then I will be
the first person to say something better has come out of
Microsoft's rather absurd decision to close its newsgroups.

Incidentally, we have a new Prime Minister (United Kingdom) today
and his first task is to place an order with Dell, HP and
Microsoft of some 1 Million PCs and Laptops with Windows 7 and
Office 2010 pre-installed and the plan is to get as many as 3,000
MVPs to assist the Government to roll out these machines and train
staff on a voluntary basis due to British Government in serious
financial problems!!!! The govt will, of course, honor its pledge
to cut taxes for the rich and increase the taxes and VAT for the
poor to make rich richer and make poor poorer.

hth


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[Ben M. Schorr, MVP]

Well, I hope that moderators on the forums are subject to some manner of
review and that moderators who go around deleting posts that shouldn't be
deleted will be relieved of those duties. But I'm not a moderator over
there so I really don't know.

All I can say is that 2138 posts later as far as I know none of mine have
been deleted (except for the one that *I* submitted for deletion myself).

I've certainly seen no evidence of posts being deleted for "propaganda"
reasons. And I can assure you that in my...14(?) years as an MVP I've never
once had anybody from Microsoft tell me what my opinion had to be or take
issue with anything I had to say - including those times when I've been
openly critical of Microsoft products or policies.

The only guidance along that line I've ever received is when we were briefed
on items that were not public knowledge yet and so we were reminded that the
content was restricted by our Non-Disclosure Agreement. In every case that
was a matter of a not-yet-released product or feature and it was simply a
matter of "You can't talk about this publicly right now."

In my opinion claims that the new forums are somehow going to be a
restricted space controlled by Microsoft marketing are just paranoid FUD.

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[xfile]

I've certainly seen no evidence of posts being deleted for "propaganda"

reasons. And I can assure you that in my...14(?) years as an MVP I've
never once had anybody from Microsoft tell me what my opinion had to be or
take issue with anything I had to say - including those times when I've
been openly critical of Microsoft products or policies.

To me, Microsoft still is a well-respected company (even though I have been
disappointed by their performance in the past few years), and I have no
doubt that they will not do anything like this.

The problem is not the company but these "individuals" who have no ideas
about the critical success factors of the company and only want to be a free
rider plus to be an ass-kisser.

The ONLY problem for Microsoft is how to get rid of them without pissing
them off.