Way to identify Table styles

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Jeff Wiseman

CyberTaz said:
Hi Jeff -

Thanks for the kind words, but that's what these groups are all about :)


Yea, what *I* really think is cool about it is that we have MVPs
that can slander MS products (in order to just emphasize a point,
of course) without worrying about an immediate impact on their
paycheck or children mysteriously disappearing...

FWIW, you're not alone in your experience. There are quite a few who have
had to pick up the pieces where docs have been forged using a hammer & tongs
rather than using the tools designed for the purpose. Having once been in
the sales end of systems & software I can attest to the resistance of
employers to pay the extra few bucks to train their employees on the use of
same. It was historically a case of taking their bike away, throwing your
kid the keys to the car & saying "OK, drive this instead!"... The main
difference being that the damage done didn't become apparent until further
down the road :)


Heh! I didn't go into it but I still continue to come across
documents where the "Automatically Update" checkbox in Heading
and even Normal styles is still set from back when it was just
another braindead default.

Another related circumstance is that most of those docs have most likely
been dredged through various word processing programs along the way as
well... In all likelihood without having been reconstructed, but simply
"patched up" with each transition. I've seen it al too often :)


Well, that's because their are very few around who can perform
total "reconstructions" and those that can take one look and say
"Hey, I think it's time for lunch!"

:)
 
J

Jeff Wiseman

John said:
Hi Jeff:

Thank you, kind sir. And how the hell do you think *I* got here?


Too smart for your own good??

I was just telling one of my workmates today, I was on the team that
selected FrameMaker as the standard technical writing processor for a large
computer manufacturer (very large) way back when.

I cam to this group when it became apparent that Adobe had lost interest and
wasn't going to fix it ...


Which was a shame. It had the makings of sumthin' special :)

Northern Telecom wouldn't let Adobe quit either from what I
heard. When Interleaf started hiking their licensing costs (it
went up like 60% in one year back around the end of the
millennia) NT spent a bundle converting masses of documentation
into FrameMaker just prior to Frame deciding that they were tired
of that part of the software market. NT did not that that
decision kindly...


OK. Total tangent (the subject DOES say OT). Next time you get
the chance in Framemaker, type in the word "Interleaf" and run
the spell check on it. It will identify it as a misspelled word
and will suggest that it is supposed to be spelled as
"FrameMaker" :)

I originally got to these groups to vent my spleen at Bill Gates. After a
particularly sulphurous outburst one day, I received a lengthy reply. I
have never been so comprehensively put down! The only thing that was not
called into question was the size of my wedding tackle. I have never seen a
flame like it since.

When I looked down the bottom, it was signed "(e-mail address removed)". I think
it really was from him... I wish I had kept it :)


Heh! You may have been flamed by a master of the art.

You really don't want to fool around with the Gates of Dell...

I learned everything I know about Microsoft Windows Help Authoring from the
author of the Help Compiler! I learned most of what I know about Word
Numbering from the designer of the feature.


I've said it before and I'll say it again, when you have to
understand how the software for a feature has been IMPLEMENTED in
order to use it for your application, then that is the worst form
of software there is. This is equivalent to what in the software
world is referred to as "implicit coupling" which is one of the
highest (i.e., worst) forms of coupling. You have to know all of
its idiosyncratic behaviors in order to do even simple tasks
reliably.

Kinda like years ago when I used to work on an IBM 4381. You
literally had to know everything about everything in order to
accomplish anything.

That all being said, having both the talents to understand the
guts of the beast and still have the talent and desires to
translate that for others is a distince service that you all provide.


True story! He must have won that argument: it's massively better now :)


I sure believe you. However, you might be hard pressed to
convince some of my co-workers of that!

And Shauna probably contributed a significant amount as well!
It's like the question "If a tree falls in the forest and there
is no one there to hear it, does it make a sound?" Well, in this
case, it is "If Microsoft adds a feature to one of its Office
Applications and they do not document how to use it with all of
it's bizarre quirks, does the feature really exist?"

It truely is the product that people (who know it well) "love to
hate". For all others, they just hate it :)
 
J

John McGhie

Hi Jeff:

Too smart for your own good??

Too stupid to run away...
OK. Total tangent (the subject DOES say OT). Next time you get
the chance in Framemaker, type in the word "Interleaf" and run
the spell check on it. It will identify it as a misspelled word
and will suggest that it is supposed to be spelled as
"FrameMaker" :)

I pad the job quote up by 100% if the specification requires FrameMaker, to
cover the lost productivity. It's been ten years since someone was willing
to pay me enough to do it in FrameMaker :)
And Shauna probably contributed a significant amount as well!

Shauna was one of the other five people standing around Stuart at the time
:)
It's like the question "If a tree falls in the forest and there
is no one there to hear it, does it make a sound?" Well, in this
case, it is "If Microsoft adds a feature to one of its Office
Applications and they do not document how to use it with all of
it's bizarre quirks, does the feature really exist?"

I don't know. All I can say is that someone told me Microsoft Office had a
feature named SmartArt. Apparently. It's not in the Help file, so it
doesn't exist as far as I am concerned :)
It truely is the product that people (who know it well) "love to
hate". For all others, they just hate it :)

Oh, I don't hate Word. It's Vista that I HATE :) Someone asked me the
other day if I was "waiting for Windows 7". I said "No, I am waiting for
one that's better than Windows XP. If that's Windows 7, 8, 9... I'm a
patient man..." I can keep my wallet closed far longer than Microsoft can
throw money at Vista :)

Windows 2008, on the other hand: now THAT is goodness. It's Vista with
(most of) the stupidity and slowness taken out. I am VERY amused to see
that Windows 7 is built on the "Windows 2008 core" not the "Vista core" :)

Cheers

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John McGhie, Microsoft MVP, Word and Word:Mac
Nhulunbuy, NT, Australia. mailto:[email protected]
 

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