Where to Start Learning MS Word 2008

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Norm

John McGhie said:
Themes are an implementation of cascading style sheets.

Now off you go to the Web Coder's forum... :)

Hmmm... you lost this Yank. ;) ;)
Seriously: I would avoid them like the plague. I have never found anything
that they do "useful". But it can be highly disconcerting.

I will take that advice. Very happy to hear that.

But......

1. Does it matter if my customized default style (if that is correct
terminology) is not the same as whatever is set in the default theme?

2. Is there any risk of changing the Theme inadvertently? Since I don't
see the currently selected theme displayed (like I do the current Style)
I don't know if it has been changed by me by mistake.
At a very basic level, it will change all the font colours in a document
that has "standard" formatting. If you restrict yourself to standard
formatting, you can instantly choose from a selection of colour schemes.

I cannot imagine why anyone would ever want to do this..

And if you depart from standard formatting (and there's nothing to tell you
what "standard formatting" means...) then if you apply a theme, you get a
partial result.

Most of the supplied themes come from the "Shock and Horror" school of
optical assault. The mechanism is only half implemented in Mac Word, so we
do not have the ability to make our own themes.

This is another thing that should be more fully implemented in 2010.

Hope this helps

It does. Thank you.
 
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John McGhie

Hi Norm:

Hmmm... you lost this Yank. ;) ;)

A "Style sheet" is an external file that contains the formatting.

In web coding, a web page may have several, arranged in a cascading
hierarchy.

The formatting of an object may be specified several times: the browser will
use the set closest to the object (i.e. Usually the last one it loaded).
But......

1. Does it matter if my customized default style (if that is correct
terminology) is not the same as whatever is set in the default theme?

No. If you want themes to "work", then you need to customise your styles to
use the theme properties.
2. Is there any risk of changing the Theme inadvertently?

No, not in Mac Word. It would be difficult to do it by mistake in PC Word
also, you would know if you had set it. The only issue that can arise is if
someone else has set a theme and you don't know what it does.
Since I don't
see the currently selected theme displayed (like I do the current Style)
I don't know if it has been changed by me by mistake.

If you open the Toolbox, display the Formatting Palette, and drop down the
Document Theme section, the applied Theme will be highlighted. Due to a
design bug, the name is visible only if you hover over a theme. The Default
is "Office Theme".

Cheers

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Norm

Good Morning John (guess it is Good Evening, I'll have the time
difference memorized here shortly. +16:00 I think ;) )


Hmmm... you lost this Yank. ;) ;)

A "Style sheet" is an external file that contains the formatting.[/QUOTE]

Would you explain for the beginner what you mean by "external file."


If you open the Toolbox, display the Formatting Palette, and drop down the
Document Theme section, the applied Theme will be highlighted. Due to a
design bug, the name is visible only if you hover over a theme. The Default
is "Office Theme".

See it sort of. Just one of the reasons I'm in the process of buying a
new Mac. :)

BTW, if I may digress, I suspect you, you all, have faced this....

I'm going to upgrade from my PB G4 (PPC) on Leopard to a MBP (Intel) on
SL.

Would you recommend reinstalling Word 2008 rather than "migrating"?

I may decide to be doubly cautious and uninstall SL on the new Mac,
install Leopard and then migrate so I'm dealing only with the PPC to
Intel differences. And later upgrade to SL.

Thanks for all this help,

Norm
 
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John McGhie

Hi Norm:

Would you explain for the beginner what you mean by "external file."

It's not "in this document".
See it sort of. Just one of the reasons I'm in the process of buying a
new Mac. :)

BTW, if I may digress, I suspect you, you all, have faced this....

I'm going to upgrade from my PB G4 (PPC) on Leopard to a MBP (Intel) on
SL.

Would you recommend reinstalling Word 2008 rather than "migrating"?

OH MY GOD YES!!!

If you "migrate" anything between a PPC and an Intel, I can practically
guarantee you months of misery until you format the hard drive and start
again :)
I may decide to be doubly cautious and uninstall SL on the new Mac,

DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT!!

Your new Mac will have bits of hardware in there that the previous version
will not know about. You run the risk of getting yourself indescribably
deeply in the doo doo.

You know the biggest hazard to software operating reliably? Users, trying
to "help".

We cannot help, we do not know what we are doing. Remember that bit about
"Everything you learn is out of date by the time you come to use it"? It
really applies here. The machine you are about to buy was designed for and
expects to find SnL.

If you down-grade, you get bits not working, and bits not working properly.

If you then migrate, you get Preference Files pointing at pieces of hardware
that don't exist, applications expecting PPC code that cannot run, and an
internal system map showing places that do not exist.

You will then spend the next year or so in here complaining that things are
not working right and keep crashing and won't update, before you FINALLY
accept that the only thing you can do is to wipe the disk clean and start
again :)

1) Leave the operating system the way Apple provided it.

2) Do not "migrate" anything.

3) You may COPY applications. But only if you do not have the install
disks.

4) You must NEVER copy preferences. Not EVER. The first
preference/setting/keychain/Preference pane that you copy will be the LAST
time your computer runs well :)

5) You can move your DATA across. Data only. But put it where Snow
Leopard expects it, in your User Documents folder. Nowhere else :)

I have a friend that migrated his data up from the old file structure he has
been working with since his OS 8 days... He has stuff scattered all over
the place across multiple volumes, including user data in the root of the
drive (a no-no in Unix...)

He has so far spent months wondering why he can never find anything in the
"Open" menu. Why he always has to drill all the way to China to find stuff
in the Finder. And why his backups are missing about half of his stuff.

He is now moving stuff, patiently, folder-by-folder, into the
User/Home/Documents folder where it should have been in the first place. As
he moves each thing, it magically appears in the Finder, in File>Open, and
on his backup :)

Thank god he didn't fiddle with the OS :)

Cheers

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Norm

Thanks very much John:

1) Leave the operating system the way Apple provided it.

2) Do not "migrate" anything.

Including documents?
3) You may COPY applications. But only if you do not have the install
disks.

So, your advice would be not to use Migration Assistant (I'm assuming
that is what it is also called in SL) for any migration?
4) You must NEVER copy preferences. Not EVER. The first
preference/setting/keychain/Preference pane that you copy will be the LAST
time your computer runs well :)

So for those you recommend what?
5) You can move your DATA across. Data only. But put it where Snow
Leopard expects it, in your User Documents folder. Nowhere else :)

This sounds like I'm going to have to set aside more than another
Saturday afternoon. Somebody again will question my sanity..... and be
right on. ;)


I'm holding cheers until after I migrate/upgrade. ;)

Appreciate the counsel,

Norm
 
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John McGhie

Hi Norm:

I understand your worries. Believe me, I had them too. It's normal ‹ I get
it with every new machine. However: This really is a simple COPY process
from one Finder window to another.

Don't try to "help" or "intervene" or "adjust" anything, and it will all
just Work.

Including documents?

COPY the documents. Don't use the Migration Assistant.
So, your advice would be not to use Migration Assistant (I'm assuming
that is what it is also called in SL) for any migration?

That's correct: If you start the Migration Assistant, the new computer
dies!! :)

I tried it, between OS 10.5 Intel and OS 10.6 Intel. After two days trying
to resolve the resulting issues, I had to format the disk and completely
re-install OS X to get it running right.

You get into an "Enter the Secret Code" hell, then the application dies on
one or the other machine, and after that your day gets very ordinary very
fast...
So for those you recommend what?

The applications on the new system will create new preferences applicable to
the new machine when they first run.

The old preferences do not contain any information that is applicable to the
new machine. All of the information in there is wrong and without value.
But the presence of the file may prevent the application from correctly
creating its new preferences.

If you try to bring preferences from one machine to another, the Nice Men in
White Coats will be along in a week or so...
This sounds like I'm going to have to set aside more than another
Saturday afternoon. Somebody again will question my sanity..... and be
right on. ;)

No. It will take less than half an hour.

Let's assume that all your data on the old machine is in your Documents
folder.

Let's assume that the old machine and the new machine are plugged into the
same router.

Create your new User ID on the new machine.

Re-install all the applications you have disks for.

From your old machine,
log in to and open the new machine.

Open the new machine's Documents folder.

Open the old Machine's Documents folder.

Select ALL (yes: Everything) and COPY

Switch to the new machine's Documents folder and click inside it

PASTE

Go make a cup of tea and drink it. Do not look at the machines. Do not
touch the machines. Close the door and walk away.

When you come back after the tea (you can have two cups if you like) you're
done. Everything will appear to be where it all used to was, it's just on
the new machine.

You will have forgotten a few things and you will have to go back and get
them. Some of the old files you have forgotten will produce some read
errors during the copy and OS X will skip them. With luck, there will be
very few. And they're normally not worth chasing, because if they don't
read, they don't read. Nothing you can do about it.

Now: Copy all the applications you did NOT have disks for across from the
old machine into the Applications folder on the new machine.

Some of them will refuse to run: delete them. Some will take you to their
website to get an update: grab it.

Now track down the Fonts you want and bring those across. There is no point
in bringing across any Apple or Microsoft fonts: there are newer copies
supplied with the OS X and Office 2008 install disks.

Now go to FontBook and Resolve the Duplicates, or you will live in Crash
City. FontBook should select the "old" copy of each to delete: let it.

You're done...

If it takes more than half an hour, you have too much "stuff" and your wife
was right...

Cheers

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Norm

Hi John:


John McGhie said:
Don't try to "help" or "intervene" or "adjust" anything, and it will all
just Work.

Hope so, Steve just put it on the truck. ;)

And here I thought Copying was intervening with Apple's route of
Migration Assistant. ;)

COPY the documents. Don't use the Migration Assistant.

Now when you say "documents" with a lower case "d" do you mean my User
folder or do you mean the Documents folder (~/Documents)?

If so, the Documents folder does not contain all of my "stuff."

That's correct: If you start the Migration Assistant, the new computer
dies!! :)

Well.... I won't dispute your experience. And I am trying to avoid a
similar one for my own limited sanity and my good marital relationship.
;)

However, I'm getting in essence (with some nit differences) two
approaches: one, which parallels yours, and then another camp that says
Migration Assistant will do it all but you will need to install either
current or new versions of many applications.
The applications on the new system will create new preferences applicable to
the new machine when they first run.

The old preferences do not contain any information that is applicable to the
new machine. All of the information in there is wrong and without value.
But the presence of the file may prevent the application from correctly
creating its new preferences.

I thought between preferences and the Library folder (especially
~/Library/Application Support but also ~/Library/Mail and others) that
there are many settings I've made that would take a long time to enter.

Open the old Machine's Documents folder.

Select ALL (yes: Everything) and COPY

Switch to the new machine's Documents folder and click inside it

PASTE

I "need" AFAIK a good portion of all the other folders in ~/.

Desktop, Downloads, Library (hmmmm.... not sure if I want all but
certainly some), Movies, Music, Pictures, Public and Sites.

<snip>

Hope it has my Palatino. :)
If it takes more than half an hour, you have too much "stuff" and your wife
was right...

;)

Thanks very much,

Norm
 
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John McGhie

Hi Norm:

Hope so, Steve just put it on the truck. ;)

Excellent!! You are not allowed to gloat in here for longer than a month
:)
Now when you say "documents" with a lower case "d" do you mean my User
folder or do you mean the Documents folder (~/Documents)?

Inside your user folder, there is a folder named documents. I mean the
contents of that.
If so, the Documents folder does not contain all of my "stuff."

Pictures, Movies, Music, Sites, they should come across. Just copy them:
OS 10.6 has folders predefined for them.

I would use this as an opportunity to weed the Downloads folder: if it's not
a Universal Binary I think I would leave it where it is.
However, I'm getting in essence (with some nit differences) two
approaches: one, which parallels yours, and then another camp that says
Migration Assistant will do it all but you will need to install either
current or new versions of many applications.

I can only relate my personal experience, and that of posters in here who
have had problems of an insoluble nature.

I think migrating PPC to Intel is dangerous, and I wouldn't do it. If the
code survives, it cannot run in OS 10.6 (it will run in Rosetta, but you
would prefer to have a native version if you can). But if the preferences
come over, they may prevent the Universal version of the App from creating
clean preferences. So it may crash and hang and freeze until you track down
all those old preferences and nuke them.
I thought between preferences and the Library folder (especially
~/Library/Application Support but also ~/Library/Mail and others) that
there are many settings I've made that would take a long time to enter.

I think there are not "a lot". Whatever is there does not apply to the new
system, and is likely to make it sick.
I "need" AFAIK a good portion of all the other folders in ~/.

Desktop, Downloads, Library (hmmmm.... not sure if I want all but
certainly some), Movies, Music, Pictures, Public and Sites.

Desktop: You will find OS 10.6 easier to drive if you try not to have much
stuff on the desktop.

There are nine items on my desktop. Two of them are there because I forgot
to delete them. The other seven are automatically created by applications
such as the Finder that insist on sticking aliases on the desktop. I do not
"use" any of them: there's better ways to get at stuff in 10.6

Downloads: If it's not Universal, it can't run anyway so why keep it? If
you have already applied it or installed it, why keep it? You can always go
and get an up-to-date copy when you do need it. I know, I know... My
Downloads folder is like a cemetery for "seemed like a good idea at the
time" and "Don't throw anything away until you have made three copies"...

Library: If you use Apple Mail, you should get advice on how to bring that
across. I suggest the best way would be to set up the accounts manually and
"Import" the mailbox.

I don't use Mail, I use Entourage, and I have everything on the IMAP server
in New York City. I am in Sydney. I enter the user ID and password, and
that's it: there's no email data on the local machine(s), of which I have
several, both PC and Mac :)

Fonts: This is a bit of a "project". Old Macs and their users had hollow
logs full of fonts all over the system. This can lead to problems and
confusion and irritation in OS 10.6.

Whatever you do (and there's a bit of a "War and Peace" following below...)
DO NOT FORGET to use FontBook to RESOLVE the duplicates after you have
finished. If you don't, you WILL live in Crash City with Office 2008.

What I do, and what I recommend, is to have one single Fonts folder. And if
you are going to have only one, I suggest that it should be the "System"
font folder that is accessible to all users.

So I would move all fonts to /Library/Fonts (that's the root Library folder,
not the User library folder). Personally, I find that arrangement much
quicker and easier to manage.

I don't live in a world where I want different fonts available at different
times. OS 10.6 has extraordinarily high limits, and I take advantage of
them. I install all my fonts in a single folder, and leave them all
permanently loaded. Because I know that Microsoft Office is not the only
application set that will give you grief if a font manager starts enabling
or disabling fonts while you work.

But then, I have only 120 fonts. And I never need to find any of them,
because I have all the ones I want to use defined into Styles. When I hit
the style, I get the font, without having to think about it. Some of those
font choices were made in 1986 when I defined the styles. And some of them
look damned ugly these days! I will fix them when I next use the style :)

OS 10.6 will easily cope with more than 2,000 fonts. I have no idea how
high the limit actually is. Remember that each font costs you a little bit
of RAM. Unless you are Mr Moneybags with a terrabyte of RAM, I would
install only the fonts that arrive with the system, or applications that you
install, plus any others that you reasonably expect to use at least once in
the next ten years :)

Whether you decide to have one font folder or many, the critical thing is to
first install the OS, then Microsoft Office, and then resolve the
duplicates. Well, Steve has done the OS part: the guy's a bit of a
perfectionist, so we can probably rely on him to do a good job.

If you install Office 2008 from the CD, it will put the extra fonts it
offers in the correct place: you won't need to think about that. (It will
drop them into a "Microsoft" subfolder of the System font folder.)

Then you can start to bring across any fonts you want that you do not
already have (this is the first time that having only one font folder pays
big dividends: you can see at a glance whether you've got it or not).

Take reasonable care not to copy an older font over a newer font. If you
do, you will get some very peculiar glitches that may be difficult to
diagnose. Mac OS 10.6 and Microsoft Office both expect Unicode versions of
their fonts. And because they know that a modern Unicode font can contain
up to 64,000 characters, they expect a much wider range of characters in
each font than was the case in the older OSes.

Most of the workaday fonts in Unicode have about 1,500 characters in them.
Many of the older fonts had only 256. You will spend a lot of time getting
rid of square hollow boxes in your documents, if you overwrite the new fonts
with older versions that have a reduced character set.
Hope it has my Palatino. :)

It doesn't. It has Apple's latest version of Palatino, created by Type
Solutions Inc in 2006.

Have I not had words with you before about your Palatino fetish :) Check
out Cambria on the new display you are about to get. On the modern
displays, you may find you come to prefer it. It was built in the knowledge
that fonts appear on "screen" rather than being "printed" much more often
these days. So while it's a nice piece of typography on the printed page,
it's a hell of a lot easier on the eyes if you have to look at it all day on
a computer screen :)

Now: I would seriously suggest that you should not transport ANYTHING else
across from the old machine, because I think it will cause problems on the
new machine. Problems ranging from random crashes and hangs to freezes and
slowdowns and "doesn't work right".

Of course, you may think of a few things I have forgotten.

Of course, you may wish to give the Migration Assistant a try. I did :)

I can only recount that MY experience with it was totally ugly, and I ended
up having to nuke the disk and start again.

Maybe they have fixed it with OS 10.6.2. Or: I should point out that I was
going between two very different classes of Mac. I was attempting to
migrate from a single-disk MacBook to a dual-volume Mac Pro with a RAID
array as one of the volumes. Maybe that was asking too much of the
Migration Assistant? But the result was truly unworkable. Twice, it
refused to even boot and I had to power-cycle it.

So I do not advise the use of the Migration Assistant :)

But if you want to try it, there's nothing stopping you. If you don't get a
good result, stick the DVD in the hole, nuke the drive, and start again :)
Like I did :)

Cheers

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McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
Sydney, Australia. | Ph: +61 (0)4 1209 1410
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Norm

Hi John:

John McGhie said:
Excellent!! You are not allowed to gloat in here for longer than a month
:)

Would never gloat..... well almost never ;)..... since something always
lurking.

I'll miss my trusty old PB G4 Ti but not the crackling audio and the
pink hue at bottom of screen at times. ;)
Inside your user folder, there is a folder named documents. I mean the
contents of that.

That's what I thought and was afraid of since as you could tell I
thought there was much much more to transfer.
Pictures, Movies, Music, Sites, they should come across. Just copy them:
OS 10.6 has folders predefined for them.

I'll copy those folders in addition to ~/Documents if I decide to follow
the "John M." method.
I would use this as an opportunity to weed the Downloads folder: if it's not
a Universal Binary I think I would leave it where it is.

Hmmm.... can I tell a Universal Binary doc if I see it on Main Street?

Leave it where it is is the old computer. I think I "need/want" it
somewhere on Steve's new one.
I can only relate my personal experience, and that of posters in here who
have had problems of an insoluble nature.

Understand.... and YMMV adage.

I think there are not "a lot". Whatever is there does not apply to the new
system, and is likely to make it sick.

I'll try to make a reasonable assessment of amount and time to input.
Desktop: You will find OS 10.6 easier to drive if you try not to have much
stuff on the desktop.

There are nine items on my desktop. Two of them are there because I forgot
to delete them. The other seven are automatically created by applications
such as the Finder that insist on sticking aliases on the desktop. I do not
"use" any of them: there's better ways to get at stuff in 10.6

Agree. Only 3 here. :-D ....... at least today!
Downloads: If it's not Universal, it can't run anyway so why keep it? If
you have already applied it or installed it, why keep it? You can always go
and get an up-to-date copy when you do need it. I know, I know... My
Downloads folder is like a cemetery for "seemed like a good idea at the
time" and "Don't throw anything away until you have made three copies"...

Some aren't gettable again but I have same problems.

Library: If you use Apple Mail, you should get advice on how to bring that
across. I suggest the best way would be to set up the accounts manually and
"Import" the mailbox.

Hmm... there goes that half hour to get to the new computer. ;)

Good suggestion. I'll ask others re: Mail "migration".
I don't use Mail, I use Entourage, and I have everything on the IMAP server
in New York City. I am in Sydney. I enter the user ID and password, and
that's it: there's no email data on the local machine(s), of which I have
several, both PC and Mac :)

Me too, someplace, somewhere on a Google server. But I do keep a local
copy. Not toooooo trusting am I? ;)

Fonts: This is a bit of a "project". Old Macs and their users had hollow
logs full of fonts all over the system. This can lead to problems and
confusion and irritation in OS 10.6.

I've never, to my knowledge, install a font. As a said, many posts ago,
my needs/wants are reasonably vanilla.

But I'll follow your advice and RESOLVE. Thanks.

Whether you decide to have one font folder or many, the critical thing is to
first install the OS, then Microsoft Office, and then resolve the
duplicates. Well, Steve has done the OS part: the guy's a bit of a
perfectionist, so we can probably rely on him to do a good job.

Will do.
If you install Office 2008 from the CD, it will put the extra fonts it
offers in the correct place: you won't need to think about that. (It will
drop them into a "Microsoft" subfolder of the System font folder.)

Got it.
Then you can start to bring across any fonts you want that you do not
already have (this is the first time that having only one font folder pays
big dividends: you can see at a glance whether you've got it or not).

Like that concept.
It doesn't. It has Apple's latest version of Palatino, created by Type
Solutions Inc in 2006.

Have I not had words with you before about your Palatino fetish :)

Yup and I still "prefer" or have a fetish for Palatino.
Check
out Cambria on the new display you are about to get. On the modern
displays, you may find you come to prefer it. It was built in the knowledge
that fonts appear on "screen" rather than being "printed" much more often
these days. So while it's a nice piece of typography on the printed page,
it's a hell of a lot easier on the eyes if you have to look at it all day on
a computer screen :)

I'll try it again. I didn't like it nearly as much as Palatino when I
tried it as a result of the suggestions in this ng.
Of course, you may wish to give the Migration Assistant a try. I did :)

I can only recount that MY experience with it was totally ugly, and I ended
up having to nuke the disk and start again.

I'm trying to avoid that but I've done it before. I like a squeaky clean
disk, well as much as possible, before I proceed.
But if you want to try it, there's nothing stopping you. If you don't get a
good result, stick the DVD in the hole, nuke the drive, and start again :)
Like I did :)

Appreciate the thoughtful advice.

And to you,

Norm
 
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dow

Hi John:



Would never gloat..... well almost never ;)..... since something always
lurking.

I'll miss my trusty old PB G4 Ti but not the crackling audio and the
pink hue at bottom of screen at times. ;)


That's what I thought and was afraid of since as you could tell I
thought there was much much more to transfer.


I'll copy those folders in addition to ~/Documents if I decide to follow
the "John M." method.


Hmmm.... can I tell a Universal Binary doc if I see it on Main Street?

Leave it where it is is the old computer. I think I "need/want" it
somewhere on Steve's new one.


Understand.... and YMMV adage.




I'll try to make a reasonable assessment of amount and time to input.





Agree. Only 3 here. :-D ....... at least today!


Some aren't gettable again but I have same problems.


Hmm... there goes that half hour to get to the new computer. ;)

Good suggestion. I'll ask others re: Mail "migration".


Me too, someplace, somewhere on a Google server. But I do keep a local
copy. Not toooooo trusting am I?  ;)


I've never, to my knowledge, install a font. As a said, many posts ago,
my needs/wants are reasonably vanilla.

But I'll follow your advice and RESOLVE. Thanks.




Will do.


Got it.


Like that concept.






Yup and I still "prefer" or have a fetish for Palatino.


I'll try it again. I didn't like it nearly as much as Palatino when I
tried it as a result of the suggestions in this ng.



I'm trying to avoid that but I've done it before. I like a squeaky clean
disk, well as much as possible, before I proceed.


Appreciate the thoughtful advice.


And to you,

Norm

Back to the migration debate... re: Apple Mail; browsers

1. Apple Mail:
If I don't use Migration Assistant, presumably that means manually
copying all my various email accounts details, and re-entering rules
etc...
Is it possible to tell Migration Assistant ONLY to transfer across
Mail with its settings - but to leave everything else alone

2. Browsers and passwords:
Presumably using Migration Assistant means that all my passwords and
bookmarks come across. Is ther another way to do this?

Thanks,

Dow
Newcastle upon Tyne, UK
 
J

John McGhie

Hi Norm:

Would never gloat..... well almost never ;)..... since something always
lurking.

Yes you would. There is a Gloat Tax applied in here for any Cheshire-cat
impressions that last longer than a month...
Hmmm.... can I tell a Universal Binary doc if I see it on Main Street?

To begin with, it will be an Application, not a document. Select the
application executable file (not the alias) and do a Get Info ("More Info"
in OS 10.6).

It will show "Kind: Application (Universal)" if it is, and simply "Kind:
Application" if it is not.

If you run a non-Universal, the first time OS 10.6 will prompt you to
install Rosetta if they have not already done so. It can download it from
Apple, or it's on the DVD.
Some aren't gettable again but I have same problems.

My problem is worse: I am an old fart, and I can't remember which ones are
gettable, which ones would require another payment, and which ones will
never be seen again. I see I am still carrying around a copy of "Unit
Converter Pro". I think that's perhaps the first PC Application I ever
bought on the Internet. I bought it for Windows 3.1. It continues to run
faultlessly in Windows 7 :) Now: THAT is what I call good application
design :)
Me too, someplace, somewhere on a Google server. But I do keep a local
copy. Not toooooo trusting am I? ;)

Given the recent, widely publicised G-Fails, no, you're not :)

Cheers :)


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Norm

Hi John:

John McGhie said:
To begin with, it will be an Application, not a document. Select the
application executable file (not the alias) and do a Get Info ("More Info"
in OS 10.6).

Oh.... I thought you were referring documents in Downloads. Got it, just
apps.

Given the recent, widely publicised G-Fails, no, you're not :)

Guess this time it is appropriate level of concern given those recent
happenings.

And to you.
 
N

Norm

Hi John:

Hope all is well.

Steve's truck arrived with some goodies for me so I've been busy
unpacking, setting up, migrating and learning. Fun...... but no
gloating. Darn. ;)

John McGhie said:
Whatever you do (and there's a bit of a "War and Peace" following below...)
DO NOT FORGET to use FontBook to RESOLVE the duplicates after you have
finished. If you don't, you WILL live in Crash City with Office 2008.

What I do, and what I recommend, is to have one single Fonts folder. And if
you are going to have only one, I suggest that it should be the "System"
font folder that is accessible to all users.

I did kinda a combo of several suggestions.

I migrated but not apps. Installed apps afresh.

Two questions if you have time:

1. Per your suggestion, I open Font Book but Resolve is grey. Meaning?

2. At first my favorite Palatino was missing. But later I reinstalled
iWork 09 and it appeared in the Font Book. OK for Word 2008 to use it
from that install? I know next to nothing.... make that nothing... about
Font Book.

Thanks,

Norm

BTW, do you have a recommended newsreader for the Mac. I've used MT-NW
for years and I basically like it but the filters didn't make it in the
migration. So far.... knock on wood... that is the only problem I've had.
 
J

John McGhie

Hi Norm:

I did kinda a combo of several suggestions.

Chucking suggestions in the blender indeed produces a flavour you may find
tasty, but usually results in a mess :) In this game, you need to pick a
horse and stick to it.

One of the key assumptions anyone in computing makes when advising you, is
that you will not "also" do anything else. If you do decide to do other
things as well, then our warranty is regretfully withdrawn :)
1. Per your suggestion, I open Font Book but Resolve is grey. Meaning?

I don't know: it's an Apple application and I am not competent to advise on
it. It probably means you have not selected "All Fonts" at the top of the
tree.
2. At first my favorite Palatino was missing. But later I reinstalled
iWork 09 and it appeared in the Font Book. OK for Word 2008 to use it
from that install? I know next to nothing.... make that nothing... about
Font Book.

If you followed my suggestions on fonts, then you have all fonts in a single
folder, nothing is disabled for any application; so all applications can,
and will, use any fonts.

But given that you have done a bit of a "mix and match" of the suggestions,
I am now not clear about the internal state of your system, so I am going to
jump right back from this: it is not safe for me to say much else. Let's
just see if any problems develop.
BTW, do you have a recommended newsreader for the Mac.

No, I am still using Entourage: which is limited, but very convenient.
Since NNTP is probably going away in the next version, I guess I will have
to make the change too.
but the filters didn't make it in the migration.

Ah! So you DID migrate applications :) You're a very brave soul :)

Cheers

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Norm

Hi John:

Hope all is well there.


John McGhie said:
One of the key assumptions anyone in computing makes when advising you, is
that you will not "also" do anything else. If you do decide to do other
things as well, then our warranty is regretfully withdrawn :)

:)

Actually, when my first attempt.... which was to migrate without
migrating applications... resulted in one "small" dialog error report, I
decided to start afresh.
So erased the new Mac and followed Joe K's Take Control of Upgrading to
SL. I've used his advice before and found it to be solid.

I don't know: it's an Apple application and I am not competent to advise on
it. It probably means you have not selected "All Fonts" at the top of the
tree.

I'll try it again.......

Nope. Still grey. I'll assume it means that there are no duplicates.
If you followed my suggestions on fonts, then you have all fonts in a single
folder, nothing is disabled for any application; so all applications can,
and will, use any fonts.

All fonts that I can find/see are in /Library/Fonts.

There are some Disable Fonts in ~/Library/Disabled Fonts.

Not sure why or how disabled but all seems well at present.
But given that you have done a bit of a "mix and match" of the suggestions,
I am now not clear about the internal state of your system, so I am going to
jump right back from this: it is not safe for me to say much else. Let's
just see if any problems develop.

As you can see it wasn't really a mix and match of suggestions. It was a
specific recommendation that did happen to take some of one "camp" which
advocated just migrate per Apple's instructions and some of another
"don't migrate because apps will misbehave". I didn't phrase what I did
very well. :-(

No, I am still using Entourage: which is limited, but very convenient.
Since NNTP is probably going away in the next version, I guess I will have
to make the change too.


Ah! So you DID migrate applications :) You're a very brave soul :)

Did not migrate even 1 application. Installed all fresh after migrating
my folder and the settings, etc. option.

I'm still holding my breath but so far my three "issues" seem minor:
1. No MT-NW filter
2. Word 2008 Preferences back to factory default
3. Computer name same as old computer.

Thanks for the help,

Norm
 
J

John McGhie

Hi Norm:

I'll try it again.......

Nope. Still grey. I'll assume it means that there are no duplicates.

Hmmm... If you have a default installation of Apple OS 10.6, and a default
installation of Office 2008, I believe there will be duplicates. There were
on my system.
Did not migrate even 1 application. Installed all fresh after migrating
my folder and the settings, etc. option.

I'm still holding my breath but so far my three "issues" seem minor:
1. No MT-NW filter
2. Word 2008 Preferences back to factory default
3. Computer name same as old computer.

If the computer name came across, some of the Preferences got migrated,
because that's one of them. Unless it has called itself "Norm's MacBook"
because you have created a user name of Norm, just as on the old computer
:)

Cheers

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Mactopia is currently broken: the helpers are not seeing any of the
questions being posted. Microsoft is working on the problem. In the
meantime:

To successfully post in here, either use Google:
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.mac.office.word?lnk=

Or Microsoft Communities:
http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.aspx?dg=micros
oft.public.mac.office.word&cat=en_US_3cf8ecf1-ca81-4391-b07d-8933029ee8a9&la
ng=en&cr=US

Or in Entourage, use the pre-configured Microsoft News server:
See "setting up Entourage for Newsreading" here:
http://word.mvps.org/Mac/AccessNewsgroups.html

This email is my business email -- Please do not email me about forum
matters unless you intend to pay!

John McGhie, Microsoft MVP (Word, Mac Word), Consultant Technical Writer,
McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
Sydney, Australia. | Ph: +61 (0)4 1209 1410
+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:[email protected]
 

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