Word 2004 Deleted/Replaced Phrases

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Marc Wielage

Like everybody else, I seem to have stumbled into a "love/hate" thing with
Word 2004.

I just discovered that when you display deleted/altered text after using the
"Compare Docs" mode, it leaves you with red boxes with your name in it on the
right-hand margin, with a little path showing where the deleted words used to
be.

I don't want this. I'd like to go back to the way it used to be, where the
deleted words are just shown with strike-outs, left in the text.

Can somebody tell me how to restore this mode -- assuming it can be done?

Again, this is Office 2004 for OSX, on a G5 Mac, running OSX 10.3.4.

--MFW

P.S. The damned thing is still doing a "Rebuilding Font Menu" at every
start-up. Some things never change...
 
J

JE McGimpsey

Marc Wielage said:
I just discovered that when you display deleted/altered text after using the
"Compare Docs" mode, it leaves you with red boxes with your name in it on the
right-hand margin, with a little path showing where the deleted words used to
be.

I don't want this. I'd like to go back to the way it used to be, where the
deleted words are just shown with strike-outs, left in the text.

Can somebody tell me how to restore this mode -- assuming it can be done?

Choose Tools/Track Changes. Select Options button. Uncheck the "Use
balloons to display changes" checkbox.
 
M

Marc Wielage

Choose Tools/Track Changes. Select Options button. Uncheck the "Use
balloons to display changes" checkbox.
--------------------------------snip----------------------------------<

Got it. It's actually here:

Tools -> Track Changes -> Highlight Changes / options button.

Man, this is one _real_ annoying feature. When you get a document with a ton
of changes, it's a total drag to see about 150 little red balloons all over
the page. The original method is a lot simpler.

Also, why does the compared document now have to open up in an entirely
different document window? Who's idea was that? I sure hate that one.

Sometimes, making changes in a program doesn't make it better -- it just
makes it different.

--MFW
 
M

Marc Wielage

The more people who request a
feature/change, the more likely it is to be implemented.
--------------------------------snip----------------------------------<

I dunno, Beth. I think sending Microsoft a suggestion for a Mac product
these days would be about as effective as putting it in an envelope and
tossing it out into the street -- or putting it in a bottle and tossing it
into the China Sea.

Even if they read it, I suspect they just don't care. And even if they did,
it'd take years for the suggestion to be implemented. Sad.

--MFW
 
B

Beth Rosengard

I dunno, Beth. I think sending Microsoft a suggestion for a Mac product
these days would be about as effective as putting it in an envelope and
tossing it out into the street -- or putting it in a bottle and tossing it
into the China Sea.

Even if they read it, I suspect they just don't care. And even if they did,
it'd take years for the suggestion to be implemented. Sad.

You're terribly wrong about everything except perhaps your last point.

Microsoft's Macintosh Business Unit (MacBU) is a small, closely knit group
that is passionate about what they do. I've met most of them.

The way the Feedback function works means that a member of the MacBU is the
second person to see your post. The first is someone who downloads
everything, sorts and refers the posts on.

Will they look at everything they get? Yes. Will they, can they, act on
every worthwhile suggestion they see? No: Some requests just aren't
cost-effective. Are they more likely to act on a request that gets a lot of
mentions? Yes. Do they care about user requests? Absolutely yes!!

Could it take months or even years to implement a suggestion? Yes.

You can accept my word on all this or not. Your choice.

--
Beth Rosengard
Mac MVP

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N

Norman R. Nager, Ph.D.

I would cheerfully take Beth's word for it. But I don't have to. I've made
suggestions to Microsoft's Mac unit as a consumer over the years and have
been delighted to see some of them acted upon. I don't know whether there
was a causal relationship or not, but I do know that I've been pleased with
the new features and changes.

And I've watched the MS Mac newsgroups over the past several years and seen
other suggestions that either were acted upon or happened to be correlate,
if not cause, subsequent improvement a couple versions down the road.

Respectfully, Norm
 
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Phillip M. Jones, CE.T.

Mr Nager,

Is it possible that they give your comments more weight simply because you own that
"Ph.D Title" as opposed to the regular "Joe Nobody" such as I and many others on
this list.

If you think about it, until recent years, Its been Microsoft's "Life Passion" to do
everything to destroy Apple and root it off the planet.

Its a miricle of Epic portions that there even is a Macintosh Business Unit within
Microsoft. In a way we need to thank our lucky stars, there is such; as the
components of Office are the only decent ones left standing for the Mac Platform.

This is so, due the shadow of the 1000 pound Gorilla in the background. So the
competition dies out of fear or imtimidation.

So I thank my lucky stars every day, that there is a Mac BU within MS. Because, if
there was none I would have to ("choke", "Cough", "Cough", "heave" - rather die than
have to) switch to a PC.
I would cheerfully take Beth's word for it. But I don't have to. I've made
suggestions to Microsoft's Mac unit as a consumer over the years and have
been delighted to see some of them acted upon. I don't know whether there
was a causal relationship or not, but I do know that I've been pleased with
the new features and changes.

And I've watched the MS Mac newsgroups over the past several years and seen
other suggestions that either were acted upon or happened to be correlate,
if not cause, subsequent improvement a couple versions down the road.

Respectfully, Norm


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Paul Berkowitz

Mr Nager,

Is it possible that they give your comments more weight simply because you own
that
"Ph.D Title" as opposed to the regular "Joe Nobody" such as I and many others
on
this list.

Definitely not. I think they'd find that laughable, Philip. Insofar as they
make changes in response to user requests, they do so on the basis of "most
requested for least expense". There are far more "Joe Nobodies" than "Ph. D.
Titles" (and even fewer "CE T. Titles," of course, whatever that may stand
for).Perhaps Norman simply has the "common touch" and his desires are those
of Joe Nobody, unlike yours?
If you think about it, until recent years, Its been Microsoft's "Life Passion"
to do
everything to destroy Apple and root it off the planet.

Nonsense. If you go back 15 years or so, then it certainly was their aim to
make Windows the dominant OS at the expense of Apple, if that's what you
mean. It's a well-known story how the cloning of IBM hardware by a large
number of computer companies and the compatibility of Windows OS for all
these while Apple kept its own OS and hardware proprietary led to cheaper
Windows-compatible PCs. We all know which is better, or we wouldn't be here,
but that's the fact of life. Cheaper-and-good-enough helped lead to Apple's
near-demise. Then Microsoft helped save Apple. It's also in their interests
to be a near-monopoly rather than a total monopoly, so it's always been in
their interests to keep Apple alive. Doing that now by creating great
software for the Mac is a win-win scenario.
Its a miricle of Epic portions that there even is a Macintosh Business Unit
within
Microsoft. In a way we need to thank our lucky stars, there is such; as the
components of Office are the only decent ones left standing for the Mac
Platform.

It's in Microsoft's interest to be the dominant player in Mac office
software (they were good enough to chase off Corel, etc. A sliver of a
sliver of the market is not worth the trouble for the other largish software
companies).
This is so, due the shadow of the 1000 pound Gorilla in the background. So the
competition dies out of fear or imtimidation.

What sort of intimidation did you have in mind?
So I thank my lucky stars every day, that there is a Mac BU within MS.
Because, if
there was none I would have to ("choke", "Cough", "Cough", "heave" - rather
die than
have to) switch to a PC.


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E

Elliott Roper

What sort of intimidation did you have in mind?

Toolbars of mass destruction?

I'd like to add that there is some evidence that the MVPs listen to the
non-stop bitching on this list and cart off a distillation to the
developers at not infrequent intervals.

I'll risk ruining my day by being nice to them.

THANKS!
 
B

Beth Rosengard

I'd like to add that there is some evidence that the MVPs listen to the
non-stop bitching on this list and cart off a distillation to the
developers at not infrequent intervals.

I'll risk ruining my day by being nice to them.

THANKS!

LOL! From you Elliott, even a grudging compliment is appreciated ;-).

Beth
 
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Phillip M. Jones, CE.T.

Paul said:
Definitely not. I think they'd find that laughable, Philip. Insofar as they
make changes in response to user requests, they do so on the basis of "most
requested for least expense". There are far more "Joe Nobodies" than "Ph. D.
Titles" (and even fewer "CE T. Titles," of course, whatever that may stand
for).Perhaps Norman simply has the "common touch" and his desires are those
of Joe Nobody, unlike yours?

The CET stands for Certified Electronics Technician
Nonsense. If you go back 15 years or so, then it certainly was their aim to
make Windows the dominant OS at the expense of Apple, if that's what you
mean. It's a well-known story how the cloning of IBM hardware by a large
number of computer companies and the compatibility of Windows OS for all
these while Apple kept its own OS and hardware proprietary led to cheaper
Windows-compatible PCs. We all know which is better, or we wouldn't be here,
but that's the fact of life. Cheaper-and-good-enough helped lead to Apple's
near-demise. Then Microsoft helped save Apple. It's also in their interests
to be a near-monopoly rather than a total monopoly, so it's always been in
their interests to keep Apple alive. Doing that now by creating great
software for the Mac is a win-win scenario.

The advantage to being a near monopoly is that it prevents them from being Broken up
Like "Ma Bell" that's the only reason.
It's in Microsoft's interest to be the dominant player in Mac office
software (they were good enough to chase off Corel, etc. A sliver of a
sliver of the market is not worth the trouble for the other largish software
companies).

Plus a non compete agreement they (corel) signed with MS to allow them (Corel) to
create other software. This was one of the items Corel Had to drop.

Corel despite begging from many people that use WordPerfect (many are Lawyers and
Judges) to release the source code so that it can be converted to OSX (possibly even
for a price). The "shadow is looming" in the background.

Apparently WP is the only word processing program that create proper Legal
BoilerPlating for Legal Document. and can handle very long Documents.
What sort of intimidation did you have in mind?

See answer to above relate to Corel as an example.


Don't get me wrong I like Office especially Excel works as well as Lotus123 did.

Word works well.

Is missing a feature in Wordperfect though.
Word perfect had a feature where you create in the evelope printing module an
address list. the when you go to create an envelope go to envelope menu choose the
desired enevelope style and the type first few characters of the name and the
address would automatically be filled in.

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Dayo Mitchell

I'd certainly agree that it's laughable, if for no other reason than that
computer programmers are unlikely to give much credence to an "ivory tower"
degree, and I remember a long discussion elsewhere in usenet concluding that
a Ph.D. in computer science doesn't mean jack in terms of how well people
could do their jobs. But one of the blogs by a MacBU-er did note that
academics use macs in higher proportion than the general public--they know a
portion of their market has phds, plus they are represented among beta
testers--so it's not unlikely that Norman hit on requests that were common.

Dayo
 
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Phillip M. Jones, CE.T.

Dayo said:
:




I'd certainly agree that it's laughable, if for no other reason than that
computer programmers are unlikely to give much credence to an "ivory tower"
degree, and I remember a long discussion elsewhere in usenet concluding that
a Ph.D. in computer science doesn't mean jack in terms of how well people
could do their jobs. But one of the blogs by a MacBU-er did note that
academics use macs in higher proportion than the general public--they know a
portion of their market has phds, plus they are represented among beta
testers--so it's not unlikely that Norman hit on requests that were common.

Dayo
Don't get me wrong I as not trying to insult the person with the Ph.D. I simply was
asking wether he thought that having his title afforded him more influence, with
Microsoft.

Personally I've never used the C.E.T. designation after my name for any other
reason, other than to signify I passed a "very tough exam" in my field of work.

Its never really been much of an influence one way or the other for me.

Its just discouraging to me, that because I use a Mac, I am one of a group of people
who have to suffer because we are not part of the almighty MS PC community.

There should be no difference in whether software is developped for PC, Mac, UNIX,
Linux, BEOS, PS2. Only the number of copies produced to be distributed. But "All
Software" should be "available for All Platforms".

But we have big brother trying to distroy and run out of business little brother.

Enough on the thread. Let us just drop it.
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John McGhie

Hi Phillip:

The CET stands for Certified Electronics Technician

Ah hah! I have one of those :) But mine dates back to 1966 :)
Apparently WP is the only word processing program that create proper Legal
BoilerPlating for Legal Document. and can handle very long Documents.

I think you mighty want to talk to someone who has used this year's version
of WordPerfect before making that claim. As far as I can see, it still bogs
down like molasses in winter when the document gets above 150 pages, whereas
Word will keep chugging out to 5,500 pages in legal text.

As to boilerplate, Word has that one nailed. WP doesn't even come close :)
See answer to above relate to Corel as an example.

I think it has more to do with the fact that Corel has their own Unix
flavour and they don't want to part with it.
Don't get me wrong I like Office especially Excel works as well as Lotus123
did.

If Excel doesn't work 100 times better than 123 did, I'm outta here :) You
ever tried to do a Pivot Chart (or even a Pivot Table...) in 123?
Is missing a feature in Wordperfect though.
Word perfect had a feature where you create in the evelope printing module an
address list. the when you go to create an envelope go to envelope menu choose
the desired enevelope style and the type first few characters of the name and
the address would automatically be filled in.

That's not "missing", you just haven't found it yet :)

Cheers

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J

John McGhie

Sorry, Elliott:

We really didn't want to put you through that dreadful experience :)

I'll risk ruining my day by being nice to them.

I have been secretly splitting my sides at the thread. I am not sure, but I
suspect that many in this groups do not realise I am one of the few regular
inhabitants that does NOT have a PhD :)

Thanks for your article, by the way. And yes, sending it to Beth was the
right thing to do.

Cheers

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Phillip M. Jones, CE.T.

John said:
Hi Phillip: ___________________snip__________________________



the address would automatically be filled in.

That's not "missing", you just haven't found it yet :)

Cheers

Well I'm stumped! I've looked for the feature in OFFICE2001 and 2004 and I can't
find it.

I know you can create envelope put in names and save envelopes as part of a document
package But it save as a separate Document. But I find know way for a list to be
created within the envelope Module.

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Beth Rosengard

/me looks longingly at his empty wall...

Hi Walt!

I don't know where John gets the idea that he's one of the few PhD-less on
this newsgroup! (I *knew* I should have gotten around to writing my
dissertation before it was too late :)!)

Beth
 
J

John McGhie

Hi Phillip:

You want the address list to be part of the document? With how many names?

Entourage inserts your entire address book in your Normal template as a set
of AutoTexts.

If you want, you can make a copy of the Normal template: it will have your
whole address book in it.

But for sensible use, there would be a better way.

Can you give more detail on your requirement, and I will have a look at this
for you.

Cheers


Well I'm stumped! I've looked for the feature in OFFICE2001 and 2004 and I
can't
find it.

I know you can create envelope put in names and save envelopes as part of a
document
package But it save as a separate Document. But I find know way for a list to
be
created within the envelope Module.

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