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FXFour R.Meenan

Hi Maybe someone can help. I recently bought a Mac book pro and loaded up my
office software. However whenever I open any Doc be it a word doc or an
excel file it opens in Test Drive> Why is that and what can I do. HELP
Ray
 
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Michel Bintener

New Macs generally ship with the Microsoft Office Test Drive pre-installed.
What most users don't know (and they really can't be blamed, Microsoft makes
it far from obvious) is that the Test Drive has to be removed before the
full version can be installed in order to prevent future problems from
happening. You will need to remove the Test Drive, and to do that properly,
you will have to use the Remove Office tool in Applications/Microsoft Office
2004/Additional Tools/Remove Office. When you run that program, you will be
given the option to remove the Test Drive only, and that's what you should
do. This method should leave your full install of Office intact; if the
problems persist, remove Office entirely (again, using the Remove Office
tool) and perform a re-install.


Hi Maybe someone can help. I recently bought a Mac book pro and loaded up my
office software. However whenever I open any Doc be it a word doc or an
excel file it opens in Test Drive> Why is that and what can I do. HELP
Ray

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Microsoft MVP
Office:Mac (Entourage & Word)

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Phillip Jones, CET

I have a super novel idea!

Why not install Office full version as a Test drive unit. Then if one
wants to buy it. Just sell them an unlock code. That way when entered
and return hit - Whamo! its the full version of Office without the word
Test Drive associated with it. :-/

Michel said:
New Macs generally ship with the Microsoft Office Test Drive pre-installed.
What most users don't know (and they really can't be blamed, Microsoft makes
it far from obvious) is that the Test Drive has to be removed before the
full version can be installed in order to prevent future problems from
happening. You will need to remove the Test Drive, and to do that properly,
you will have to use the Remove Office tool in Applications/Microsoft Office
2004/Additional Tools/Remove Office. When you run that program, you will be
given the option to remove the Test Drive only, and that's what you should
do. This method should leave your full install of Office intact; if the
problems persist, remove Office entirely (again, using the Remove Office
tool) and perform a re-install.


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John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]

I'm sure there's a good reason. I just can't think of one right now...

I can think of a few very bad reasons. Reasons such as "We were too stupid
to think of that", or "We were too lazy to code it that way."

But I am sure it couldn't be those, right? :)

Cheers


I have a super novel idea!

Why not install Office full version as a Test drive unit. Then if one
wants to buy it. Just sell them an unlock code. That way when entered
and return hit - Whamo! its the full version of Office without the word
Test Drive associated with it. :-/

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Phillip M. Jones, CE.T.

Or all the above?(Below?) :-/ (Not any reference to any MVP's inferred.) :)
I'm sure there's a good reason. I just can't think of one right now...

I can think of a few very bad reasons. Reasons such as "We were too stupid
to think of that", or "We were too lazy to code it that way."

But I am sure it couldn't be those, right? :)

Cheers


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CyberTaz

Or at least write the full version's installer with a Test Drive 'Search &
Destroy' routine.
 
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Phillip M. Jones, CE.T.

I do, I run installer routine on every package of software that uses
such. However, most software thes days is drag and drop.
You mean, "Like PC Office has?" Hmm... Now, there's a radical thought...
:)

Mind you, I am not SURE that the Installer doesn't actually run Office
Remover and offer to hook the Test Drive out, if it finds it. Does anyone
know?

The problem, on the Mac, is that nobody ever runs the installer!! :)

Cheers

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<http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/90th_Birthday/index.htm>
<http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/Fulcher/default.html>
<http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/Harris/default.htm>
<http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/Jones/default.htm>

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John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]

Hi Phillip:

Mmmm... Only "Mac" software is drag-and-drop. That's only around two per
cent of software. Everyone else uses an installation script of some kind.

Even on the Mac, the move is to provide installers these days, to ensure
that all the pieces of increasingly complex applications land in the correct
place, and to fix up the file permissions and Finder associations.

Cheers

I do, I run installer routine on every package of software that uses
such. However, most software thes days is drag and drop.

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Phillip Jones

Just so you understand I did use the installer to install Office The
every time I have.

I noticed a strange thing. Even though I used the same serial number as
I was doing a reinstall (haven't had to do that in a while). It
generated a new code at the end that I had to write down. Even though I
was doing a reinstall on the same machine. There was a note that if you
exceeded a certain number of reinstalls you would have to pay full
purchase price over again. I believe the limit is five. By doing a
reinstall on my laptop once and installing on my Powerbook I am up to
three. How do they account for people, that have hard drive problems
system Problems, or purchase new machines?
Hi Phillip:

Mmmm... Only "Mac" software is drag-and-drop. That's only around two per
cent of software. Everyone else uses an installation script of some kind.

Even on the Mac, the move is to provide installers these days, to ensure
that all the pieces of increasingly complex applications land in the correct
place, and to fix up the file permissions and Finder associations.

Cheers

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John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]

Hi Phillip:

Yes, it will generate a new code each time. That's because the date and
time of your installation are part of the code.

Yes, there is a limit to the number of installations you can legally do, and
the number varies depending upon which licence you bought.

"Re"-installs do not count against your total, only "new" installs. Some
customers re-install on each computer every time a user logs on (it's a
fairly extreme security measure...)

SOME Microsoft licences enable you to install only once. Others allow
installation on one desktop and one laptop, provided they can't both be used
at the same time. Other licences enable an unlimited number of
installations. The exact provisions vary from country to country.

Let's assume you installed on a laptop and it was stolen. So you install on
a new laptop, and that one goes up in flames. So you install on a third
laptop, and that one suffers a hard disk failure. Your fourth laptop is
left in a car which is also stolen. If you need a fifth installation within
the space of a year, the installation routine *may* refuse to validate
(depending on which country you are in).

At that point, you will be offered the chance to telephone Microsoft. Tell
them the whole sad story, and see what they say. Sometimes they will ask
for documentary proof of your bad luck to be faxed to them. The only time
*I* had to do it, I explained what happened and they immediately gave me a
new validation key over the phone.

(No, I did not have a run of bad luck: I was installing testing environments
on Virtual PCs, which I was then destroying at the end of each batch of
testing. After a few of those, I ran out of installs and had to ring up.)

Cheers

Just so you understand I did use the installer to install Office The
every time I have.

I noticed a strange thing. Even though I used the same serial number as
I was doing a reinstall (haven't had to do that in a while). It
generated a new code at the end that I had to write down. Even though I
was doing a reinstall on the same machine. There was a note that if you
exceeded a certain number of reinstalls you would have to pay full
purchase price over again. I believe the limit is five. By doing a
reinstall on my laptop once and installing on my Powerbook I am up to
three. How do they account for people, that have hard drive problems
system Problems, or purchase new machines?
Hi Phillip:

Mmmm... Only "Mac" software is drag-and-drop. That's only around two per
cent of software. Everyone else uses an installation script of some kind.

Even on the Mac, the move is to provide installers these days, to ensure
that all the pieces of increasingly complex applications land in the correct
place, and to fix up the file permissions and Finder associations.

Cheers

I do, I run installer routine on every package of software that uses
such. However, most software thes days is drag and drop.

John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh] wrote:
You mean, "Like PC Office has?" Hmm... Now, there's a radical thought...
:)

Mind you, I am not SURE that the Installer doesn't actually run Office
Remover and offer to hook the Test Drive out, if it finds it. Does anyone
know?

The problem, on the Mac, is that nobody ever runs the installer!! :)

Cheers


On 2/8/06 6:37 AM, in article #[email protected],
"CyberTaz" <typegeneraltaz1ATcomcastdotnet> wrote:

Or at least write the full version's installer with a Test Drive 'Search &
Destroy' routine.

--

Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email
me unless I ask you to.

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Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Consultant Technical Writer
Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410
 
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Phillip M. Jones, CE.T.

AS far as I know my purchase of Office was a 3-400 dollar Upgrade from
Word 6.0.1.a, to Office2001 and then I believe a 2-300 Dollar upgrade
from 2001 to 2004. Seems like the license I have allow for an install on
one home desktop, One business Desktop/laptop, and one Home laptop so
long as the machines are in no way connected to a server.

I guess since you say in a given year's time That I don't have a problem.
Hi Phillip:

Yes, it will generate a new code each time. That's because the date and
time of your installation are part of the code.

Yes, there is a limit to the number of installations you can legally do, and
the number varies depending upon which licence you bought.

"Re"-installs do not count against your total, only "new" installs. Some
customers re-install on each computer every time a user logs on (it's a
fairly extreme security measure...)

SOME Microsoft licences enable you to install only once. Others allow
installation on one desktop and one laptop, provided they can't both be used
at the same time. Other licences enable an unlimited number of
installations. The exact provisions vary from country to country.

Let's assume you installed on a laptop and it was stolen. So you install on
a new laptop, and that one goes up in flames. So you install on a third
laptop, and that one suffers a hard disk failure. Your fourth laptop is
left in a car which is also stolen. If you need a fifth installation within
the space of a year, the installation routine *may* refuse to validate
(depending on which country you are in).

At that point, you will be offered the chance to telephone Microsoft. Tell
them the whole sad story, and see what they say. Sometimes they will ask
for documentary proof of your bad luck to be faxed to them. The only time
*I* had to do it, I explained what happened and they immediately gave me a
new validation key over the phone.

(No, I did not have a run of bad luck: I was installing testing environments
on Virtual PCs, which I was then destroying at the end of each batch of
testing. After a few of those, I ran out of installs and had to ring up.)

Cheers

Just so you understand I did use the installer to install Office The
every time I have.

I noticed a strange thing. Even though I used the same serial number as
I was doing a reinstall (haven't had to do that in a while). It
generated a new code at the end that I had to write down. Even though I
was doing a reinstall on the same machine. There was a note that if you
exceeded a certain number of reinstalls you would have to pay full
purchase price over again. I believe the limit is five. By doing a
reinstall on my laptop once and installing on my Powerbook I am up to
three. How do they account for people, that have hard drive problems
system Problems, or purchase new machines?
Hi Phillip:

Mmmm... Only "Mac" software is drag-and-drop. That's only around two per
cent of software. Everyone else uses an installation script of some kind.

Even on the Mac, the move is to provide installers these days, to ensure
that all the pieces of increasingly complex applications land in the correct
place, and to fix up the file permissions and Finder associations.

Cheers

On 6/8/06 5:19 AM, in article OpC#[email protected],

I do, I run installer routine on every package of software that uses
such. However, most software thes days is drag and drop.

John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh] wrote:
You mean, "Like PC Office has?" Hmm... Now, there's a radical thought...
:)

Mind you, I am not SURE that the Installer doesn't actually run Office
Remover and offer to hook the Test Drive out, if it finds it. Does anyone
know?

The problem, on the Mac, is that nobody ever runs the installer!! :)

Cheers


On 2/8/06 6:37 AM, in article #[email protected],
"CyberTaz" <typegeneraltaz1ATcomcastdotnet> wrote:

Or at least write the full version's installer with a Test Drive 'Search &
Destroy' routine.

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616 Liberty Street |Who's Who. PHONE:276-632-5045, FAX:276-632-0868
Martinsville Va 24112 |[email protected], ICQ11269732, AIM pjonescet
------------------------------------------------------------------------

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mikepiedmont

Michel said:
New Macs generally ship with the Microsoft Office Test Drive pre-installed.
What most users don't know (and they really can't be blamed, Microsoft makes
it far from obvious) is that the Test Drive has to be removed before the
full version can be installed in order to prevent future problems from
happening. You will need to remove the Test Drive, and to do that properly,
you will have to use the Remove Office tool in Applications/Microsoft Office
2004/Additional Tools/Remove Office. When you run that program, you will be
given the option to remove the Test Drive only, and that's what you should
do. This method should leave your full install of Office intact; if the
problems persist, remove Office entirely (again, using the Remove Office
tool) and perform a re-install.




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Microsoft MVP
Office:Mac (Entourage & Word)

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mikepiedmont

Michel Bintener posted a very informative message. My problem is that
when I go to remove 2004 install, it also asks if it should remove
Preferences. I think I should, because new prefences will be includes
in my Mac Office 2003 software. Am I correct?
 
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Elliott Roper

Michel Bintener posted a very informative message. My problem is that
when I go to remove 2004 install, it also asks if it should remove
Preferences. I think I should, because new prefences will be includes
in my Mac Office 2003 software. Am I correct?

I don't think it matters. The older mac Office, which I call v.X rather
than Mac Office 2003, will pick up its old preferences in its old
location.

If and when you upgrade to the full Office 2004, it will make new
preferences based on your v.X preferences. At that time, it may pick up
preferences left lying about from the test drive.

If you want to be very sure about which preferences will be used then,
hide the test drive preferences by hand before upgrading to 2004.
see
http://word.mvps.org/mac/BackUpPrefs.html
for a guide

When I upgraded to 2004, I left v.X on my machine. They co-exist quite
happily. During the upgrade, the 2004 installer copies, and for all I
know, modifies the preferences before tucking them away in Word 2004's
little hiding places. It left the v.X prefs alone.

This makes a rather neat transition when you eventually move on to 2004
 
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el torito

Thanks for your reply(s).

I just trashed the whole shebang, then installed my Mac office(v.X)
disk. Now I face a new dilemma: the install code. The decal on the back
of my disk box is only 8-characters---the blanks require approx. 20
chars. Vas ist los?

Thanks,,Mike
 
J

John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]

Hi Mike:

There should be an orange sticker with your CD ROM, and it won't be on the
outer packaging. Have a look in the "Getting Started" booklet: it's often
on the first or last page of that.

That will have the 20 characters you need.

Cheers


Thanks for your reply(s).

I just trashed the whole shebang, then installed my Mac office(v.X)
disk. Now I face a new dilemma: the install code. The decal on the back
of my disk box is only 8-characters---the blanks require approx. 20
chars. Vas ist los?

Thanks,,Mike

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mikepiedmont

Thank you John McGhie,

Seconds after I posted my querry, I of course began a frantic search
for the 20 digit secret code which is as yet hiding from me, and my
agents. I believe when I purchased the software the information said I
was permitted to download the software 9 or 7 times: the no. of decals
matched this no. I used one download. I have of course moved several
times since, making the location of the remaining decals problematic. I
have found companies to be understanding---realistic---regarding the
potential for such events(misplacing etc.): so are there other means of
securing the codes? The serial no. remains on the package, it would
seem ownership could be easily ascertained.
Thank you, Mike
 
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Paul Berkowitz

Mac Office (major releases) has _never_ been available by download - not
once, nor 7, nor 9 nor 123 times. Only updates to those major releases are
downloadable - and you can download the updates as many times as you might
need to.

Mac Office is only available by CD, such as you have. (Since the
introduction of CDs with Office 98 - up to Word 6 it was by floppy disc.)

What exactly are these "decals"? I don't recall anything of the sort for any
version of Mac Office.

So I'm wondering if you're remembering some other setup you might have had.
Are you perhaps someone who got the CD via academic licensing (as a
university faculty member), or something similar? In that case, you might
have needed to download something from a university software site.

The standard MS PRODUCT KEY is now 25 (not 20) digits (including some
alphabetic characters), in groups of 5. That's how it is for Office 2004. I
I no longer have Office v. X around to check. Are you sure you had a
standard retail purchase? For Office 2001, which I do still have (the
"toilet seat" box), it was only 10 digits, all numbers (111-1111111), on a
sticker on the back of the plastic envelope for the CD.

I still don't understand what these decals might have been. Do you remember
how you bought Office v. X?

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John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]

Hi Mike:

Well, Paul has given you the sad news. There's only one way to get a
Microsoft product code, and that's on a physical sticker: Microsoft does not
sell retail software by download :)

So: If the sticker was not on the booklet that came with your CD, then I
think you're out of luck. Other manufacturers stick the Microsoft stickers
on the side of the computer when they pre-install software, but not Apple.

Beth has the best suggestion: ring them up. If you "Registered" your
software, you'll be on the database and they may allow you to buy a
replacement Product Key for about half price.

Cheers


Thank you John McGhie,

Seconds after I posted my querry, I of course began a frantic search
for the 20 digit secret code which is as yet hiding from me, and my
agents. I believe when I purchased the software the information said I
was permitted to download the software 9 or 7 times: the no. of decals
matched this no. I used one download. I have of course moved several
times since, making the location of the remaining decals problematic. I
have found companies to be understanding---realistic---regarding the
potential for such events(misplacing etc.): so are there other means of
securing the codes? The serial no. remains on the package, it would
seem ownership could be easily ascertained.
Thank you, Mike

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me unless I ask you to.

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Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410
 

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