YES! ON 2010

[Tim Mastrogiacomo]

Well well well

It has arrived and looks quite sleek to me. Many things improved.

- Search is much much better and faster. Actually it does not take any
search time. As you write start to enter the keyword, ON immediately gives
search results. Impressive really.
- I really like the ribbon. The commands now look very organized.
- It is now easy to move the sections by dragging and dropping them wherever
you want.

There are many more pluses that I will not count.

But I am disappointed that you still cannot set a global template. I don't
understand. This was one of the most requested features and it is still not
there. What is so difficult to make it?

I also don't know how sync is. I used to have sync problems when updatingmy
ON files on my usb stick. Hope there is some improvement there.

But I like the new ON. I actually liked it very much. I will see how it will
go in the next days but for the moment it looks really good and inviting one
to work on it.

My most favorite program ON!

Does it still only support pasting website content (while keeping
formatting, etc) from internet explorer? Or does it support other
browsers nows?



Tim Mastrogiacomo

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/tim-mastrogiacomo/17/598/976

 

[Rainald Taesler]

i am wondering, will ON2010 allow dragging notes from one
section/page to another (rather than the cut and paste currently
required)?

This has been possible since at least ON2007 and is unchanged.

Rainald

 

[Rainald Taesler]

Does it still only support pasting website content (while keeping
formatting, etc) from internet explorer? Or does it support other
browsers nows?

Ni changes in this area.

But you may try out things yourself. <g>
Just download the Beta and install it.

Rainald

 

[Rainald Taesler]

Rainald, i have to disagree.

How can you "disagree" if there is an *individual* problem just on your

i have ON07 and cannot drag notes
away from the page that they are on. i get the circle with diagonal
line indicating an unallowed action.

Sorry, I have absolutely no idea on what might be wrong with your
system.

I have been using ON2007 since the early Beta on several systems.
Drag + Drop for pages has always been working fluently - be it across
sections, sections groups or notebooks. I never had to face the symptoms
you report.

If your system plays that crazy you might try an uninstall and a
re-install after having booted.

Rainald

 

[John Waller]

I have been using ON2007 since the early Beta on several systems.

Drag + Drop for pages has always been working fluently - be it across
sections, sections groups or notebooks.

Rainald,

I think you and jeffrey are talking about two different things.

Drag and drop pages between sections, section groups or notebooks works
fine.

I think jeffrey is talking about highlighting a *piece* of content (e.g.
a word or paragraph) within a page and dragging that word or paragraph
to a different page, section or notebook.

Dragging a piece of content within a page is easy enough.

However as soon as you go outside the page boundary to a different page,
section or notebook you see the circle with diagonal line indicating a
disallowed action.

The only way to move a piece of text or a paragraph beyond the page to a
different page, section or notebook is cut-and-paste as jeffrey mentions.


Regards

John Waller

 

[Rainald Taesler]

I think you and jeffrey are talking about two different things.

Drag and drop pages between sections, section groups or notebooks
works fine.

I think jeffrey is talking about highlighting a *piece* of content
(e.g. a word or paragraph) within a page and dragging that word or
paragraph to a different page, section or notebook.

Oh, now I see!
Thanks for the explanation.
Obviously I mistook his wording "note" for "page".

Dragging a piece of content within a page is easy enough.

However as soon as you go outside the page boundary to a different
page, section or notebook you see the circle with diagonal line
indicating a disallowed action.

The only way to move a piece of text or a paragraph beyond the page
to a different page, section or notebook is cut-and-paste as jeffrey
mentions.

Yes. This is unchanged in ON2010.

Thanks again and regards
Rainald

 

[Rainald Taesler]

yes, i was referring to any bit of data surrounded by the blue square
that appears when you hover over the data. i thought that this is
referred to as a "note".

Could be.
I call that "containers".

being able to drag a "note" between pages or sections seems like an
obvious action to expect.

Wouldn't there be a problem with the placement of a moved "note" on the
target page?

IMO it's easy enough to just cut the "note" (Shift+Del), click on the
target page, select the proper place and/or create it, paste the item
there (Ctrl+Ins/Ctrl-V) and then click the "Back button" to return.

Rainald

 

[John Waller]

Wouldn't there be a problem with the placement of a moved "note" on
the target page?

No issue that I can see. Just drop the note on the page wherever the
cursor is located when the mouse button is released.

IMO it's easy enough to just cut the "note" (Shift+Del), click on the
target page, select the proper place and/or create it, paste the item
there (Ctrl+Ins/Ctrl-V) and then click the "Back button" to return.

Totally logical if you're mainly keyboard-centric. Not everyone works
like that.

Microsoft is famous for providing at least three ways of doing any task
e.g. keyboard, mouse and perhaps context menu.

I'm mouse-centric and I would have expected to be able to drag and drop
notes/containers between pages and sections.

 

[Rainald Taesler]

No issue that I can see. Just drop the note on the page wherever the
cursor is located when the mouse button is released.

And where would it be placed when dropped?
Possibly at the end of the page.
This would mean extra work later to sort things to a proper sequence.
For it's preferable to sort the moved stuff when I'm at it.

Totally logical if you're mainly keyboard-centric. Not everyone works
like that.

Me knows ;-)
And I am anything than mainly keyboard-centric.
On a PC I worked in a mixed way.
On my TabletPC I don't have any key-combinations available (and ON has
ways too many things which are based on a keyboard-centered approach
{siiiigh}).

Microsoft is famous for providing at least three ways of doing any
task e.g. keyboard, mouse and perhaps context menu.

Yes. But not throughout.

I'm mouse-centric

But this not mean that things would be less easy to perform the
operation with the mouse. Everything needed to perform what I described
with key-combinations is available from the context menu.

and I would have expected to be able to drag and
drop notes/containers between pages and sections.

It's not there and we won't change that.
Perhaps a chance for Office 15 :-(

Rainald

 

[John Waller]

Wouldn't there be a problem with the placement of a moved "note" on

And where would it be placed when dropped?
Possibly at the end of the page.

No. At the cursor location on the page. Not sure what's difficult about
that in ON.

But this not mean that things would be less easy to perform the
operation with the mouse. Everything needed to perform what I described
with key-combinations is available from the context menu.

Agreed but drag and drop in very intuitive for me for this particular
operation. I see no reason to touch the keyboard when I'm
dragging-and-dropping.

 

[Rainald Taesler]

No. At the cursor location on the page. Not sure what's difficult
about that in ON.

To place a moved "note" to the proper place in the target (other page
and/or section) following your concept would consequently mean that -
prior to moving - the cursor would have had been sitting in the *target*
page at the place where a moved item shall be dropped after having been
moved, plus: enough space being available there for accommodating the
import.

Sorry to say so, but this does not at all seem logical to me:
- navigating to the target page (after having opened the target
section);
- creating space for the import;
- placing the cursor at the wanted position;
- navigating back to the source page;
- then dragging the note onto the target (where/which page, if it's a
different section?).

How could that be easier than Cut&Paste??
Sorry, you have just lost me :-( :-(

Agreed but drag and drop in very intuitive for me for this particular
operation. I see no reason to touch the keyboard when I'm
dragging-and-dropping.

As said: Cut&Paste works really fine without touching the keyboard at
all.

Rainald

 

[Rainald Taesler]

Agreed but drag and drop in very intuitive for me for this particular
operation. I see no reason to touch the keyboard when I'm
dragging-and-dropping.

You had really left me clueless with your last reply.
You might have seen that from my last reaction. :-( :-(

A few minutes later a flash did strike me <bg>:
Why in heaven don't you just open a second instance (window) of ON
(Ctrl+M)???
You could easily drag any item from the one side to the other window.

Well, this is not really *moving*, only copying with Drag&Drop.
But would the need to delete the item on the source side hurt at all?

Rainald
P.S. It works the same way in ON2007 and ON2010

 

[John Waller]

You had really left me clueless with your last reply.

You might have seen that from my last reaction. :-( :-(

A few minutes later a flash did strike me <bg>:
Why in heaven don't you just open a second instance (window) of ON
(Ctrl+M)???
You could easily drag any item from the one side to the other window.

Well, this is not really *moving*, only copying with Drag&Drop.
But would the need to delete the item on the source side hurt at all?

Sure it would work but it's a workaround. Dragging and dropping notes
between pages seems like a natural feature for ON to offer.

 

[John Waller]

To place a moved "note" to the proper place in the target (other page

and/or section) following your concept would consequently mean that -
prior to moving - the cursor would have had been sitting in the *target*
page at the place where a moved item shall be dropped after having been
moved, plus: enough space being available there for accommodating the
import.

Sorry to say so, but this does not at all seem logical to me:
- navigating to the target page (after having opened the target
section);
- creating space for the import;
- placing the cursor at the wanted position;
- navigating back to the source page;
- then dragging the note onto the target (where/which page, if it's a
different section?).

How could that be easier than Cut&Paste??
Sorry, you have just lost me :-( :-(

I think you're over-analyzing this.

Not trying to re-invent the space shuttle.

It would simply work the same way that normal drag-and-drop, e.g.
Microsoft Word, works now.

Highlight what to move, drag it to another page, drop it either a) on
top of existing notes (overlapping although that would need fixing later
so not much point), or b) the user places the note in an empty spot on
the page

 

[Rainald Taesler]

Yes, I got that impression but it seems simple to me <shrug>.

Sure it would work but it's a workaround. Dragging and dropping notes
between pages seems like a natural feature for ON to offer.

I don't regard this to be a workaround.
Opening 2 windows side by side is the natural way for working with more
than just one open page.
And Drag&Drop from/to pages is just one of the operations touching 2
pages.

But 'nuff said ;-)
Your word into Daniel Escapa's ear ;-)
You might try to reach him in the ON2010 Beta forum:
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/onenote/threads

Rainald

 

[Rainald Taesler]

I think you're over-analyzing this.

Maybe a result from an "industrial disease" (acquired by this law

Not trying to re-invent the space shuttle.

It would simply work the same way that normal drag-and-drop, e.g.
Microsoft Word, works now.

Interesting.
How do you use Drag&Drop for moving a marked paragraph from one doc to

Highlight what to move, drag it to another page, drop it either a) on
top of existing notes (overlapping although that would need fixing
later so not much point), or b) the user places the note in an empty
spot on the page

Both would require to open the page (and if another section the section
first).
How would this work in your concept?
Should the sections and pages automatically be opened when a timed
"onMouseOver" event fires?

Rainald

 

[John Waller]

But 'nuff said ;-)

Yep, 'nuff said. Time to move on.

Thanks for exploring it with me Rainald.

 

[John Waller]

Highlight what to move, drag it to another page, drop it either a) on

Both would require to open the page (and if another section the section
first).
How would this work in your concept?
Should the sections and pages automatically be opened when a timed
"onMouseOver" event fires?

I think we're talking at cross purposes here.

Never mind, I don't really have time to design a feature which isn't
going to happen anyway. And I'm certain Microsoft will find another
clever way of doing it.

Thanks for the thread Rainald, it's been fun.

JW

 

[Rainald Taesler]

Never mind, I don't really have time to design a feature which isn't
going to happen anyway. And I'm certain Microsoft will find another
clever way of doing it.

Thanks for the thread Rainald, it's been fun.

Tahnks back and kindest regards
Rainald