Anyone else notice Office 2007 is slower starting up?

[Patrick Schmid]

Microsoft's reply would be that these are system requirements for the
beta version and are subject to change for the release version.
You can expect Outlook to require and use less RAM in the release
version. How much though is anyone's guess. If it will be enough to
revise system requirements is an open question as well.
You can add the Print Preview icon to your QAT, if you'd like to. Just
right-click on it and say add to QAT.

Patrick Schmid

 

[Patrick Schmid]

When you have Outlook closed before you shut your computer down, verify
with the task manager that the outlook.exe process doesn't exist
anymore. Outlook might not be shown on the screen anymore, but is in
fact still running quite frequently.
If you don't use BCM, you should see if you can't remove it via Control
Panel, Add or Remove Programs. I have never installed it, so I don't
know how you would find it there besides suggesting the obvious
Microsoft Office Business Contact Manager...

Patrick Schmid

 

[Patrick Schmid]

Ah yes, you are correct, and I noticed it earlier but IMHO this is a

step backwards

Not only in your opinion...That dialog is a cumbersome to use mess. As
it seems though, this won't change.

Patrick Schmid

 

[tomax7]

Well just rebooted and launched Outlook.

It opened to a blank looking "box" (the size of Outlook program) for
about 20 seconds and then a pop up about downloading the update for
Instant Search.

Clicked download and it booted me off this instance of MSIE to get to
Microsoft instead of opening a new browser window.

Downloaded the "update" and running it. Wow, either it is a slow
installer or big program...

 

[tomax7]

Well Outlook is in hourglass mode now for about a minute and the hard
drive light is going nuts. Clicked on Outlook and (Not Responding)
shows...but could be just a memory flush issue.

Silly question, do I really need the Desktop Search feature?

Guess I'll let it go through my hard drive and index. Thought I heard
at a MS seminar that indexing was suppose to be done during idle or low
CPU times.

 

[tomax7]

Ha, doncha love it. Tried closing Outlook (Not Responding) got a
Forced close window, restarts Outlook and does an error check, then
shuts down Outlook again with a send error message to Microsoft.

Outlook tried restarting and back into blank window box and Not
Responding.

Oh I love infinite loops ;-)

BTW, hard drive light still going nuts and inbetween cycles I can type
here. Guess I'll go for coffee now as I can't really do anything till
this Desktop Indexer is done.

I know, I know, it's a Beta (2).

Progress, yep.

 

[tomax7]

Yes, I know about the uncheck "Restart Outlook" box in the pop up
report error to microsoft window, but what the heck I want to read my
emails...

Otherwise don't include that option right?

 

[Roady [MVP]]

Well I agree that that dialog is far from perfect I do not get the reference
on how this would slow you down. I'm not trying to offend you or anything
but how much of your total Outlook time are you actually looking at that
dialog? To be honest, from a customer point of view, I wish there wasn't
even a need for that dialog; it's mainly used for troubleshooting.

Also, what is wrong with the new Print Preview? There is absolutely no way
that this slows you down compared with the previous version of Outlook
especially when you talk about Print Preview for HTML formatted e-mails; it
was non existend in the previous version unless when you opened the message
first.

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003


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Ah yes, you are correct, and I noticed it earlier but IMHO this is a
step backwards

Maybe I'm missing something, but why do I have to put out the effort of
clicking on each stupid line entry to read it below, when something
simple as a column resize could be in place, then I can glance at the
whole list in one view instead of looking up and down and up and
down...?

Thought Office was suppose to SPEED me up, not slow me down. Same with
Print Preview...

 

[Roady [MVP]]

For the official statement on system requirements for Office 2007 BETA2 see;
http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/beta/sysreq.mspx

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003


-----
Microsoft's reply would be that these are system requirements for the
beta version and are subject to change for the release version.
You can expect Outlook to require and use less RAM in the release
version. How much though is anyone's guess. If it will be enough to
revise system requirements is an open question as well.
You can add the Print Preview icon to your QAT, if you'd like to. Just
right-click on it and say add to QAT.

Patrick Schmid

 

[tomax7]

Thanks Roady, no offence taken.

Print Preview was on the Toolbar, now one has to add it manually?

Well I agree that that dialog is far from perfect I do not get the reference
on how this would slow you down. I'm not trying to offend you or anything
but how much of your total Outlook time are you actually looking at that
dialog? To be honest, from a customer point of view, I wish there wasn't
even a need for that dialog; it's mainly used for troubleshooting.

Also, what is wrong with the new Print Preview? There is absolutely no way
that this slows you down compared with the previous version of Outlook
especially when you talk about Print Preview for HTML formatted e-mails; it
was non existend in the previous version unless when you opened the message
first.

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003


-----
Ah yes, you are correct, and I noticed it earlier but IMHO this is a
step backwards

Maybe I'm missing something, but why do I have to put out the effort of
clicking on each stupid line entry to read it below, when something
simple as a column resize could be in place, then I can glance at the
whole list in one view instead of looking up and down and up and
down...?

Thought Office was suppose to SPEED me up, not slow me down. Same with
Print Preview...

If you click on an add-in, the location will be shown below the add-in
list and above the Manage combobox.

Patrick Schmid

 

[Patrick Schmid]

Print Preview was on the Toolbar, now one has to add it manually?
Yes...only 4 commands get added by default to the QAT (save, undo, redo,
print now; for some ribbons in Outlook it's a few more). The idea is
that this is the user's toolbar and he or she should have as much
freedom (read space) as possible to do with it whatever he/she wants.
Not everyone would like to see print preview on the QAT, hence you'll
have to add it for yourself manually. It's one right-click followed by
one left-click though.

Patrick Schmid
--------------
http://pschmid.net

Well I agree that that dialog is far from perfect I do not get the reference
on how this would slow you down. I'm not trying to offend you or anything
but how much of your total Outlook time are you actually looking at that
dialog? To be honest, from a customer point of view, I wish there wasn't
even a need for that dialog; it's mainly used for troubleshooting.

Also, what is wrong with the new Print Preview? There is absolutely no way
that this slows you down compared with the previous version of Outlook
especially when you talk about Print Preview for HTML formatted e-mails; it
was non existend in the previous version unless when you opened the message
first.

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003
http://www.howto-outlook.com/
Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more

-----
Ah yes, you are correct, and I noticed it earlier but IMHO this is a
step backwards

Maybe I'm missing something, but why do I have to put out the effort of
clicking on each stupid line entry to read it below, when something
simple as a column resize could be in place, then I can glance at the
whole list in one view instead of looking up and down and up and
down...?

Thought Office was suppose to SPEED me up, not slow me down. Same with
Print Preview...

If you click on an add-in, the location will be shown below the add-in
list and above the Manage combobox.

Patrick Schmid
--------------
http://pschmid.net


No it is not. Just able to sort. The double arrow for column resize
does not show.

Roady [MVP] wrote:
That is visible when you click on the add-in.

 

[tomax7]

Oh great, now Outlook will not load ever since I uninstalled that
Windows Desktop Search.

Keeps opening in repair mode, then times out "Not Responding" and then
have to force shutdown, send error message to Microsoft.

Guess have to load Outlook or Office all over again...

 

[Roady [MVP]]

It really isn't your lucky day, is it? ;-)

Does Outlook still work in safe mode? If so there might be a reference to
the Search Add-in in the Trust Center (I guess you don't need directions for
that anymore?)

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003


-----
Oh great, now Outlook will not load ever since I uninstalled that
Windows Desktop Search.

Keeps opening in repair mode, then times out "Not Responding" and then
have to force shutdown, send error message to Microsoft.

Guess have to load Outlook or Office all over again...

 

[tomax7]

Outlook will not work. Goes through the error checking/recovery and
then sits with a blank screen/box. Click inside and the familiar "Not
Responding" shows in the Title Bar. Close it (Red X) and get an error
message, then force close, then send error to MS.

As for the previous post about Print Preview not showing to "save on
space", what bunk. Don't take the personally, but if that is the
reason, forget it. I'm actually loosing space with those "nice big
icons" than before. Plus the time spent hunting for the particular
grouping of what I want.

Don't know what is going through Office production heads, but consider
this. Office has been in the same toolbar format for say 12 years and
people are accustomed to clicking or finding something fast, now all
that has changed.

Why? This is speeding things up?

This new layout is just as stupid as moving the Windows Explorer
shortcut icon from Start/Programs to Start/Programs/Accessories in
Windows 2000.

Why? To keep trainers employed teaching people where to find things
now? Ok, I'll buy that because I'm sure I'll get more work now, was
getting tired fixing spyware and Windows patches on computers...

 

[Patrick Schmid]

Try creating a new profile and see if Outlook opens then.

Patrick Schmid
--------------
http://pschmid.net

Outlook will not work. Goes through the error checking/recovery and
then sits with a blank screen/box. Click inside and the familiar "Not
Responding" shows in the Title Bar. Close it (Red X) and get an error
message, then force close, then send error to MS.

As for the previous post about Print Preview not showing to "save on
space", what bunk. Don't take the personally, but if that is the
reason, forget it. I'm actually loosing space with those "nice big
icons" than before. Plus the time spent hunting for the particular
grouping of what I want.

Don't know what is going through Office production heads, but consider
this. Office has been in the same toolbar format for say 12 years and
people are accustomed to clicking or finding something fast, now all
that has changed.

Why? This is speeding things up?

This new layout is just as stupid as moving the Windows Explorer
shortcut icon from Start/Programs to Start/Programs/Accessories in
Windows 2000.

Why? To keep trainers employed teaching people where to find things
now? Ok, I'll buy that because I'm sure I'll get more work now, was
getting tired fixing spyware and Windows patches on computers...

It really isn't your lucky day, is it? ;-)

Does Outlook still work in safe mode? If so there might be a reference to
the Search Add-in in the Trust Center (I guess you don't need directions for
that anymore?)

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003
http://www.howto-outlook.com/
Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more

-----
Oh great, now Outlook will not load ever since I uninstalled that
Windows Desktop Search.

Keeps opening in repair mode, then times out "Not Responding" and then
have to force shutdown, send error message to Microsoft.

Guess have to load Outlook or Office all over again...

 

[tomax7]

Thanks Patrick.

That did it.

Try creating a new profile and see if Outlook opens then.

Patrick Schmid
--------------
http://pschmid.net

Outlook will not work. Goes through the error checking/recovery and
then sits with a blank screen/box. Click inside and the familiar "Not
Responding" shows in the Title Bar. Close it (Red X) and get an error
message, then force close, then send error to MS.

As for the previous post about Print Preview not showing to "save on
space", what bunk. Don't take the personally, but if that is the
reason, forget it. I'm actually loosing space with those "nice big
icons" than before. Plus the time spent hunting for the particular
grouping of what I want.

Don't know what is going through Office production heads, but consider
this. Office has been in the same toolbar format for say 12 years and
people are accustomed to clicking or finding something fast, now all
that has changed.

Why? This is speeding things up?

This new layout is just as stupid as moving the Windows Explorer
shortcut icon from Start/Programs to Start/Programs/Accessories in
Windows 2000.

Why? To keep trainers employed teaching people where to find things
now? Ok, I'll buy that because I'm sure I'll get more work now, was
getting tired fixing spyware and Windows patches on computers...

It really isn't your lucky day, is it? ;-)

Does Outlook still work in safe mode? If so there might be a reference to
the Search Add-in in the Trust Center (I guess you don't need directions for
that anymore?)

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003
http://www.howto-outlook.com/
Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more

-----
Oh great, now Outlook will not load ever since I uninstalled that
Windows Desktop Search.

Keeps opening in repair mode, then times out "Not Responding" and then
have to force shutdown, send error message to Microsoft.

Guess have to load Outlook or Office all over again...

 

[Patrick Schmid]

Wow. That was a nightmare...Are you now running with or without WDS3?

Patrick Schmid
--------------
http://pschmid.net

Thanks Patrick.

That did it.

Try creating a new profile and see if Outlook opens then.

Patrick Schmid
--------------
http://pschmid.net

Outlook will not work. Goes through the error checking/recovery and
then sits with a blank screen/box. Click inside and the familiar "Not
Responding" shows in the Title Bar. Close it (Red X) and get an error
message, then force close, then send error to MS.

As for the previous post about Print Preview not showing to "save on
space", what bunk. Don't take the personally, but if that is the
reason, forget it. I'm actually loosing space with those "nice big
icons" than before. Plus the time spent hunting for the particular
grouping of what I want.

Don't know what is going through Office production heads, but consider
this. Office has been in the same toolbar format for say 12 years and
people are accustomed to clicking or finding something fast, now all
that has changed.

Why? This is speeding things up?

This new layout is just as stupid as moving the Windows Explorer
shortcut icon from Start/Programs to Start/Programs/Accessories in
Windows 2000.

Why? To keep trainers employed teaching people where to find things
now? Ok, I'll buy that because I'm sure I'll get more work now, was
getting tired fixing spyware and Windows patches on computers...


Roady [MVP] wrote:
It really isn't your lucky day, is it? ;-)

Does Outlook still work in safe mode? If so there might be a reference to
the Search Add-in in the Trust Center (I guess you don't need directions for
that anymore?)

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003
http://www.howto-outlook.com/
Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more

-----
Oh great, now Outlook will not load ever since I uninstalled that
Windows Desktop Search.

Keeps opening in repair mode, then times out "Not Responding" and then
have to force shutdown, send error message to Microsoft.

Guess have to load Outlook or Office all over again...

 

[tomax7]

Spoke too soon. I set up the new profile (Tom) and Outlook loaded ok.

Then I set up Tom to use the .PST from the default Outlook profile and
it went back to the same loop. Error check, Not Responding.

 

[tomax7]

With, I will uninstall and reboot and see if that at least pops up the
"install WDS" window.

Stay tuned...

I realize this is a beta, but the guys at the seminar were talking up
Beta2 so much and how stable it is...fell for it. Usually I don't
install a new Microsoft program till 6 months after release date.

Dumb dumb dumb. Bad thing is Outlook. All other programs you can run
side by side or restore back to original, but Outlook has to be 2007.

Well off to reboot and see what happens...

Wow. That was a nightmare...Are you now running with or without WDS3?

Patrick Schmid
--------------
http://pschmid.net

Thanks Patrick.

That did it.

Try creating a new profile and see if Outlook opens then.

Patrick Schmid
--------------
http://pschmid.net


Outlook will not work. Goes through the error checking/recovery and
then sits with a blank screen/box. Click inside and the familiar "Not
Responding" shows in the Title Bar. Close it (Red X) and get an error
message, then force close, then send error to MS.

As for the previous post about Print Preview not showing to "save on
space", what bunk. Don't take the personally, but if that is the
reason, forget it. I'm actually loosing space with those "nice big
icons" than before. Plus the time spent hunting for the particular
grouping of what I want.

Don't know what is going through Office production heads, but consider
this. Office has been in the same toolbar format for say 12 years and
people are accustomed to clicking or finding something fast, now all
that has changed.

Why? This is speeding things up?

This new layout is just as stupid as moving the Windows Explorer
shortcut icon from Start/Programs to Start/Programs/Accessories in
Windows 2000.

Why? To keep trainers employed teaching people where to find things
now? Ok, I'll buy that because I'm sure I'll get more work now, was
getting tired fixing spyware and Windows patches on computers...


Roady [MVP] wrote:
It really isn't your lucky day, is it? ;-)

Does Outlook still work in safe mode? If so there might be a reference to
the Search Add-in in the Trust Center (I guess you don't need directions for
that anymore?)

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003
http://www.howto-outlook.com/
Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more

-----
Oh great, now Outlook will not load ever since I uninstalled that
Windows Desktop Search.

Keeps opening in repair mode, then times out "Not Responding" and then
have to force shutdown, send error message to Microsoft.

Guess have to load Outlook or Office all over again...

 

[Patrick Schmid]

Remove the data file (use the control panel). Then make a new pst, make
it the default one. Open Outlook, open the other pst and copy all
folders and stuff over. Don't use import, that function has its
problems. It seems that Outlook doesn't like your PST at all.
Have you run chkdsk already? There might be an error on your hard drive
that crashes Outlook when it tries to access the PST.

Patrick Schmid