Cannot activate "Track Changes" on Word 2004 for Mac

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Daiya Mitchell

[re-post--Thunderbird appears to have mangled my formatting]??Tony wrote:?>?>?>?> Concerning the Dictionaries, I mean "Tools/Spelling and Grammar" in ?> Word or "Tools/Spelling" in PowerPoint. You see, again a different ?> menu for the same thing on both applications, as if they were ?> developed by different companies.?>??I have to say, I can see why such concerns would not be the highest ?priority....but yes, annoying. Use Help | Send Feedback in any Office ??app and complain. Presumably with the interface overhaul coming in Word ?2008, some of these will be fixed.??>?> Now, go to "Word/Preferences" and "PowerPoint/Preferences" and you ?> will have shockingly completely different interfaces. The later lacks ?> the "Spelling and Grammar" to create or choose a Custom Dictionary. ?> Any way to select in PowerPoint the same custom dictionaries than in ?> Word? Because I do not see how to do it. In fact, I do not even know ?> where such PowerPoint custom dictionary lives or if I can edit it (in ?> case I make a mistake making it learning a wrong word) as I can do ?> from Word.?>??If you create a custom dictionary in Word, PowerPoint will automatically ?use it. That's what I'm seeing here. I clicked Add and PPT added the ?word to my same custom dictionary. So all the management you do in Word ?will also apply to PPT.??On the one hand--handling all the custom dictionary stuff in one place ?is good integration--I'm not sure whether having four different ways to ?access it would increase or decrease confusion. PPT is actually not as ?powerful, as it doesn't allow you to change custom dictionaries as Word ?does.??Daiya?
 
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Daiya Mitchell

Hi Tony--

Okay, I did some editing and re-ordering on your post to collate your
comments and pictures for an efficient reply, I hope I didn't mess
anything up.
For instance, I am sure there is a Macro to delete all bookmarks at
once as you indicate. Yet, why do not include a button --just a
button-- with a confirmation prompt )do you really want to...) to
delete ALL bookmarks at right the place where it should be that is the
"Insert/Bookmark" window? That is an intuitive interface and that is
the Mac way.
You see, programmers --good programmers; Mac-like programmers-- should
see ahead, so foretelling what users will want to do when they see or
open a particular window.

Well...."foretelling what users will want to do" and "an intuitive
interface" are not actually the exact same thing. An "intuitive
interface" is about presenting buttons such that inexperienced users
will make the right guess about which button will do what they want.
Foretelling what users need/want to do is about designing the features
that are available. Word does not offer a Delete All Bookmarks
feature--that is a big design flaw/bug in the program, not in the
interface. To make this an example of an unintuitive interface, Word
would need to have a Delete All Bookmarks feature that was hidden
instead of accessible in the logical Bookmarks dialog (and Word
certainly has plenty of examples of pretty much that). Do you see the
difference there?

You may be interested in my previous rant on "intuitive" as a descriptor
for software, #35 in Google's count, on this thread:
OK, I could not do it in my Mactel because Classic is not supported,
but I managed to install and run MacWritePro1.5v3 on a PowerPC Mac.
Here are the requested screen shots (I hope you see them; otherwise,
please let me know).

Wow, thanks for going to all that trouble! Really appreciated.
The first one (01-Find.pdf) shows after Command F:
Figure 1: http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/2894/01findsf4.jpg

Okay, that's fine as is. Yep, it's handy to have those things right up
there. It'd be a bit crowded, not so user-friendly, if Word had the
equivalent--since Word has five/six options that work like that, not
two/three.
The second one (02-Find-UseAtributes.pdf) shows after clicking the key
of "Use Attributes):
Figure 2:
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/6740/02finduseatributeskw7.jpg

You are not seriously trying to claim that that little teeny weeny key
is "intuitive". A key? That's practically invisible? It may have seemed
intuitive back whenever, when the only people that used computers could
be relied upon to randomly click everything to see what happened, but
it's not intuitive today.

You know what is intuitive? The "More" button that Word had in the F&R
dialog in Word 98 and Word 2001, until Apple's *crackhead* self said
"hey, buttons that mean 'More Options Available' should be this obscure
triangle that no one understands" and the MacBU trying to be "Mac-like"
picked it up. This is why I think "Mac-like" is a nonsense concept,
abused even more than "intuitive" when discussing software.

But, okay--once the dialog has been expanded, sure the formatting
options are right there. I'm pretty sure, however, that a button that
says "Format" is no less intuitive for the user who expands the Word
dialog and says "okay, now how do I search for bold text? oh, let me
try the Format button". An extra step, sure. I guess you do have to
know that Bold is a formatting options--but in MacWrite Pro, you have to
know that the "use attributes" button will search for bold (right? I
can't imagine what else "attributes" would mean), and I kinda think
Format makes more sense than Attributes to most people.

Okay, once you click on Format it's a bit complicated in Word--on the
other hand, it uses things that are used throughout Word, so if you know
what you want to do, you should be able to make the right guesses. For
instance, Format | Paragraph works exactly the same in the menu or from
the F&R dialog, so it makes a pretty safe guess if you want to find all
double-spaced text and change it to single-spaced (feature maybe offered
by MWP? not sure what that 0 means). Ditto for Format | Font. In fact,
for many features, you can click on the toolbar as you always do to make
that setting in the Find dialog, bypassing those dialogs entirely--the
user makes a guess and sees that it works.

Word could move the most common options directly into the F&R
dialog--they tried that in a different dialog (Modify Style in Word
2003/2004), and the result has been that some people, seeing the most
common options right before their faces, think those are the ONLY
options, and overlook the extension buttons in all the clutter.

I'll give you that "Special" in Word is a bit obscure--on the other
hand--for someone looking in F&R, unsure if they can do things like
format all cross-reference fields at once (feature not offered by MWP),
Special is a pretty good way to communicate "hey, click on me, I might
offer funky weird options you didn't know Word had".

But I'm not seeing any way to F&R a paragraph mark with a line break,
which is something I do often I've got an icon on my toolbar for it. Or
any way to F&R styles. Admittedly, the dependence on styles and
paragraph-oriented formatting is something that is inherent to Word's
paradigm and may not apply to MacWrite Pro, but the use of styles and
paragraphs is part of what makes Word so powerful.
As you can see, it is utterly intuitive and simple, yet extremely
powerful. THAT IS A NEAT EXAMPLE OF THE ESSENCE OF THE MAC WAY. I wish
Office could be like that as well.

My summary--what you hold up as excellent is 1) itself flawed, requiring
some non-obvious guesses or learned experience 2) less powerful and
therefore not faced with trying to pack the same features into a dialog box.

If Word took the MWP route of putting all the possible options right
there in the dialog, it would be utterly and completely unusable.

Daiya
 
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Tony

Daiya,

Thanks. Somehow the message text of the previous messages got messed up
(see below).

Anyway, in my case PowerPoint Spelling does not behave like that. I
have two custom dictionaries in Word for two different languages (one
for each language), but they do not show in PowerPoint
"Tools/Spelling". And the popup menu "Add words to" only shows the
default "Custom dictionary" as such and not any of my two custom
dictionaries, which have different names.

I have found that it is because my Custom Dictionaries (the ones
created and used with Word) do not live in

/Users/~/Library/Preferences/Microsoft/Custom Dictionary

but in

/Users/~/Documents/Updated/Private/Books &
PDAs/CustomDictionary/Word/Word User Dictionaries

That is because I want to copy them for backup then I backup the
"Documents" folder.

But then it is a PowerPoint flaw... At least, I se how to tell Word
where the custom dictionaries are, but I cannot see a way to tell
PowerPoint where they are if outside the "default" site above. If
possible such flaw should be fixed.

Thanks.
 
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Daiya Mitchell

Aha, very good investigation. That all makes sense, although I wonder
whether having multiple dictionaries and multiple languages might also
be connected (I only tested with 1 dictionary with no language, when I
found seamless integration) Can you use Help | Send Feedback in PPT to
report this? Or you might first ask on the PPT newsgroup to see if they
have any workarounds for it--I don't know PPT at all. Or see if someone
else jumps in here.

I back up my entire Microsoft preferences folder, especially because I
want my autocorrect list, and I was trained on OS 7 to always back up my
preferences system-wide anyhow, as part of regular maintenance.

Daiya
 
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Tony

Daiya,

Obviously when we know something, that becomes easy for us. Chinese is
easy for Chinese people, for instance. What I meant is that people who
never used MacWrite Pro could use its advanced Find features without
making mistakes. On the contrary, most people that do not "learn how
it works" make mistakes when using the advanced Find features of Word.
By intuitive or Mac-way I mean that, that even novices can use it, and
use it right.

Now, when you consider that MacWrite Pro was updated for the last time
on 1994, that becomes even more amazing.

So what do I want? I want an interface that does not force me to learn
things but that is so obvious that it is a matter of seen what is
displayed and make the choice... Without having to read manuals, as
much as possible, of course.

BTW, back in the old days some people said that DOS was as intuitive as
the Mac. Then with Windows 1.0 until Vista now. So you see, not
everybody thinks alike. But some things are obvious for the people that
want to see them.

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John McGhie

Hi Tony:

I wonder whether it's worth gently shattering one or two illusions :)

You want a simple "Write"-style application such as MacWrite Pro? That's
great: what about iWork?

There's a huge variety of "Basic" text handling applications out there.
Some of them are free. Even Microsoft has two. They don't bring either of
them over to the Mac because the field is crowded already with suitable
alternatives.

But this is not the market Microsoft Word is designed for.

Microsoft Word is the largest, most complex, and most powerful word
processing application on the planet. I know FrameMaker and Interleaf
pilots will be spluttering in their teacups hearing that: but that's only
because they have not tried to learn Word properly, or haven't tried it in
the past five years.

The new kid on the block grew up rather suddenly :)

Tony: Word is NOT simple. Those of us who reply on it for complex
35,000-page information suites in short release cycles do't want it to be.

Word is NOT intuitive. Not really. See: tere's no such thing as
"intuitive" when it comes to major, complex, structured documentation. You
either know what you're doing, or you should stay out of that partcular
kitchen :)

Word is NOT particularly Mac-like. Sorry about that: it's a PC application
that has been ported. Get over it :) Adobe PPhotoshop is anything BUT
Windows-like. It's a Mac app that got ported. We got over it :)

The point I am trying to make is that Word is a serious "tradesman's tool"
designed for the big jobs. I happen to be a specialist in Word, so I use it
even for "Letters to Mom". But YOU don;t have to. You should choose the
application that suits YOUR needs.

I am sure that Office 2008 will be a little more Mac-like than Office 2004.
Having seen the published screen-shots, I have to say that I find that a
little underwhelming :) I don't WANT it "Mac-Like" :) I want it the same
on both platforms. I suspect that if you were to collect all of the
documentation professionals in the world in a single bar, and ply each with
a few soothing ales, you would not only go broke (have you ANY idea how much
Doc Pros DRINK???) you would learn something very interesting: We work very
nomadically. We wander from company to company as their needs for us ebb
and flow. Some companies have PCs. Some have Macs. Some have a mixture.
We all travel the world with our trusty USB Key full of "tools". (It used
to be a floppy, but inflation set in...). We need those tools to work on
whichever platform we're using today, without problems or fussing around.
They're not paying us $650.00 a day to sit there re-assigning keystrokes and
re-coding macros -- they want work out now!!

It's a different environment from the usage planned for MacWrite or iWork.
Different market segment.

Microsoft was trying to strip-down and dumb-down Microsoft Office to suit
what someone told them was "The Mac audience". I think that someone was
wrong. I think what happened was that the Mac users who WERE buying Office
Mac took one look and said "Excuse me?? I don't want a toy version: I need
the real thing!!" And they stopped buying it!! The low-end Mac audience
still looked at it and said "Oooh, that's complicated: I don't need that for
my school project!" And they didn't buy it either.

Of course, Microsoft will never admit that. But I suspect you may find that
over the next few versions, Office on the Mac will get back to being a bit
closer to Office on the PC. Powerful, fast, and complex. Just don't expect
"easy": it's not going to happen. Don't expect "intutive" -- your average
corporation does not entrust production of it's $550,000.00 book to someone
who flies by "Intuituion" :)

In the meantime: stop kvetching about this thing and learn to USE it :) I
can't imagine why you spent so long deleting bookmarks, for example: It
takes me a few seconds...

(Yeah, OK, I'm being evil again: this is a very complex macro that checks to
see what KIND of bookmark each one is. It creates an array of all the
bookmarks in the document, then marks the ones that should be deleted.) I
send you this, because I think you will find that when actually deleting
bookmarks from a document, you need relatively fine-grained control over
which ones, else you will break the document.

There's a much simpler macro below that actually does remove ALL bookmarks
without checking. Do NOT say I haven't WARNED you: that macro may utterly
destroy a document, depending on what's in it :)

Sub PurgeBookarks()
' Removes unused REF bookmarks
' Macro written 21 March 2005 by John McGhie

Dim allXRefs() As String
Dim allBookmarks() As Variant
Dim anXref As Field
Dim aBookmark As Bookmark
Dim XRefText As String
Dim i As Long
Dim n As Long
Dim doIt As Long

ActiveDocument.BookMarks.ShowHidden = True
ReDim allXRefs(ActiveDocument.StoryRanges(wdMainTextStory).Fields.Count)
ReDim allBookmarks((ActiveDocument.BookMarks.Count), 1)

For Each aBookmark In ActiveDocument.BookMarks
If Left(aBookmark.Name, 4) = "_Ref" Then
allBookmarks(i, 0) = aBookmark.Name
allBookmarks(i, 1) = False
i = i + 1
End If
Next ' aBookmark

n = 0
For Each anXref In ActiveDocument.Content.Fields
If anXref.Type = wdFieldRef Then
n = n + 1
StatusBar = "XRef number " & Str(n)

XRefText = Trim(Right(anXref.Code.Text, Len(anXref.Code.Text) - 4))
i = InStr(XRefText, " ")
If i > 0 Then XRefText = Left(XRefText, i - 1)
allXRefs(anXref.Index) = XRefText
End If
Next ' anXref

For i = 0 To UBound(allXRefs)
' If Left(allXRefs(i), 4) = "_Ref" Then
For n = 0 To UBound(allBookmarks)
If allXRefs(i) = allBookmarks(n, 0) Then
allBookmarks(n, 1) = True
Exit For
End If
Next ' n
' End If
Next ' i

i = 0
For n = 0 To UBound(allBookmarks)
If allBookmarks(n, 1) = False Then
i = i + 1
End If
Next ' n

doIt = MsgBox(Str(i) & " bookmarks will be deleted. OK?", vbExclamation +
vbOKCancel)
If doIt = 1 Then
For i = 0 To UBound(allBookmarks)
If allBookmarks(i, 1) = False Then
StatusBar = "Deleting " & allBookmarks(i, 0)
If ActiveDocument.BookMarks.Exists(allBookmarks(i, 0)) Then
ActiveDocument.BookMarks(allBookmarks(i, 0)).Delete
End If
End If
Next ' i
End If

End Sub

Sub BookmarksDelete()
' Removes Bookmarks from document
' Macro written 1 Aug 2001 by John McGhie
Dim i As Long

For i = ActiveDocument.BookMarks.Count To 1 Step -1
ActiveDocument.BookMarks(i).Delete
Next i

End Sub

--

John McGhie, Consultant Technical Writer,
McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
Sydney, Australia. GMT + 10 Hrs

+61 4 1209 1410, <mailto:[email protected]> mailto:[email protected]
 
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Tony

John

Thanks for the reply with macros to delete bookmarks. Actually, most of
the time I want to delete ALL bookmarks in my own documents. Believe it
or not I never ever use bookmarks but many of my Word files have
hundreds of them. I think they got there when I copy and paste text
from web pages. They are Word documents that only contain text. No
pictures. Not even tables most of the time.

Concerning simplicity and power, it is possible and the Mac proves it.
Go back 15 years ago and you will listen the computer experts and
advisors telling you that to do a professional computing work you had
to do DOS and learn programming. Not true. The Mac proved that it was
not true. But they kept saying that.

Having said that, I understand that Office, coming from a
Windows-centric company (Microsoft) is likely to be not much Mac-like,
but at the same time there are some things that I think can be enhanced
and improved. Take my previous posts for examples. Just for instance,
the interface of Word and PowerPoint should be much more similar and
integrated that they are now. And so on...

And again do not take me wrong. These are positive criticisms because
we must use Office. I say must because that is the ultimate reason why
we use it. We receive files from both Mac and Windows users and we must
be as compatible as possible. Today the only real alternative is
Office. Not because it is better, but because being proprietary and
having virtually all of the market, there is no other way.

So, the better is Office, the easiest and more pleasant our work will
be as well... And hopefully Office will keep on improving on the
Mac-way... At least we hope that. After all, Windows keeps also
improving on the Mac way as well; if you know what I mean...

:)

Now, I would be happy if I had another macro to show me a button or
similar (or perhaps a keyboard command) to select in the same document
some portions as English and some in French. Any chance to get it (with
my thanks as always in advance)?

Thanks!


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Tony

Yes, but as previously indicated on this thread, we write almost always
mixing two languages, and several hundreds of times each day select
different words or sentences or paragraphs to be on one of such
languages inside the same document. So, a button or keyboard command or
similar would become handy instead of doing the trip each time to
"Tools/Language" and then Scroll, Select the language and OK, which is
what we do now.

Thanks,


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Daiya Mitchell

Tony said:
Daiya,

Obviously when we know something, that becomes easy for us. Chinese is
easy for Chinese people, for instance. What I meant is that people who
never used MacWrite Pro could use its advanced Find features without
making mistakes.

Once they found them by clicking on a mysterious key....
On the contrary, most people that do not "learn how it works" make
mistakes when using the advanced Find features of Word.

I'm really not believing you here, because I have pointed a lot of
average users on the newsgroups at that dialog, and pretty much they
post back saying "wow, thanks, great, worked perfectly!" not, "huh, what
do I do?" or "after some trial and error I finally figured it out".
<snip>
Now, when you consider that MacWrite Pro was updated for the last time
on 1994, that becomes even more amazing.

Actually, that makes it less amazing--programs last updated in 1994
offered many fewer features. Consider that cars, VCRs, microwaves, etc,
have also all become much more confusing than 1994.
So what do I want? I want an interface that does not force me to learn
things

*EVERY* interface forces you to know things in advance. Intuitive is a
question of how specialized that necessary knowledge is.
but that is so obvious that it is a matter of seen [seeing?] what is
displayed and make the choice...

As I said, if Word put everything you could do in Find and Replace right
into the dialog as MacWrite Pro did, it would be completely unusable.
This is a silly thing to want. The dialog is set up so that people can
make the right guesses about where to go.

to repeat--My summary--what you hold up as excellent is 1) itself
flawed, requiring some non-obvious guesses or learned experience 2) less
powerful and therefore not faced with trying to pack the same number of
features into a dialog box.

I'm not claiming Word is intuitive, because it isn't. I just think that
the standards of "intuitive" that you are applying are flawed, and that
the example you picked to prove "unintuitive" isn't very good proof.

Daiya
 
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Tony

Daiya,

You may be right about the key icon (Figure 1), but that was not what I
meant as intuitive and easy to use. It was that with such interface
(Figure 2) it is so easy to Find whatever for any combination without
making mistakes. With the current Word implementation it is so easy to
make mistakes (unless of course you try and error and finally get to
learn it). With the MacWrite implementation it is impossible to do it
wrong. That is what I meant by intuitive, the Mac-way and the
idiot-proof concept.

I did not mean showing a few or many options on the screen. I meant
that the options are so easy to understand that you cannot make
mistakes. That was the point. With Word is easy to make mistakes and
that is irrelevant of its screen showing a few or all options available.

Probably Word was not meant for beginners, but the point is that both
Mac OS X vs Windows and MacWrite Pro vs Word prove that you can have a
powerful yet intuitive interface.

And notice that to actually feel the ease of use of MacWrite Pro in the
Find feature and other features you must use it. It is hard to know
just with a screenshot!

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Tony said:
Daiya,

Obviously when we know something, that becomes easy for us. Chinese is
easy for Chinese people, for instance. What I meant is that people who
never used MacWrite Pro could use its advanced Find features without
making mistakes.

Once they found them by clicking on a mysterious key....
On the contrary, most people that do not "learn how it works" make
mistakes when using the advanced Find features of Word.

I'm really not believing you here, because I have pointed a lot of
average users on the newsgroups at that dialog, and pretty much they
post back saying "wow, thanks, great, worked perfectly!" not, "huh,
what do I do?" or "after some trial and error I finally figured it out".
<snip>
Now, when you consider that MacWrite Pro was updated for the last time
on 1994, that becomes even more amazing.

Actually, that makes it less amazing--programs last updated in 1994
offered many fewer features. Consider that cars, VCRs, microwaves,
etc, have also all become much more confusing than 1994.
So what do I want? I want an interface that does not force me to learn things

*EVERY* interface forces you to know things in advance. Intuitive is a
question of how specialized that necessary knowledge is.
but that is so obvious that it is a matter of seen [seeing?] what is
displayed and make the choice...

As I said, if Word put everything you could do in Find and Replace
right into the dialog as MacWrite Pro did, it would be completely
unusable. This is a silly thing to want. The dialog is set up so that
people can make the right guesses about where to go.

to repeat--My summary--what you hold up as excellent is 1) itself
flawed, requiring some non-obvious guesses or learned experience 2)
less powerful and therefore not faced with trying to pack the same
number of features into a dialog box.

I'm not claiming Word is intuitive, because it isn't. I just think
that the standards of "intuitive" that you are applying are flawed, and
that the example you picked to prove "unintuitive" isn't very good
proof.
Daiya
Without having to read manuals, as much as possible, of course.

BTW, back in the old days some people said that DOS was as intuitive as
the Mac. Then with Windows 1.0 until Vista now. So you see, not
everybody thinks alike. But some things are obvious for the people that
want to see them.
OK,

I
 
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Tony

Daiya,

Thanks. I have searched for:

macro languages
macro two languages
macro buttons

yet cannot find it. I have found "Buttons to insert different types of
dates", but obviously that is not for languages.... Any help most
welcome.

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Daiya Mitchell

Glad to help--but let's try to get future questions on their own thread,
for the sake of people searching the archives in the future. Throw the
rest of your annoyances at us, I bet a bunch are fixable.
 

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