MSOCache folder

M

Milhouse Van Houten

Just put the CD back in and do a "Repair," or whatever the terminology is.
\MSocache is magically recreated in a couple minutes.

The directory is only needed when adding to/removing from/updating Office,
or when you accidentally delete, say, "Word.exe" (which happens at least
once a day here). Other than that it's just taking up space. MS used to
allow expert users to relocate it, but not anymore.

Patrick Schmid said:
You'll probably mainly see it when it comes to installing any patches. You
can tell us what happens next :)


Uh oh. I deleted.
Haven't run into any problems as of yet. What sort of problems does
deleting
cause?

--
-C. Moya
www.cmoya.com
Patrick Schmid said:
Office 2007 created a whooping 500MB MSOCache folder. I am aware what
this
is for, and want to get rid of it.

Followed the instructions found here
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/825933
but there is no "Office Installation Files" on my cleanup items.

Any ideas?
Don't. You should not remove that folder for Office 2007. In fact,
Microsoft did not provide the ability to remove the folder with 2007.
The
folder is vital and it should stay where it is. Removing it is not
supported.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed
 
P

Patrick Schmid [MVP]

once a day here). Other than that it's just taking up space. MS used
to
allow expert users to relocate it, but not anymore.
Too many people relocated/deleted it and created huge headaches for MS
Support.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed
 
P

Patrick Schmid [MVP]

once a day here). Other than that it's just taking up space. MS used
to
allow expert users to relocate it, but not anymore.
Too many people relocated/deleted it and created huge headaches for MS
Support.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed
 
P

Patrick Schmid [MVP]

once a day here). Other than that it's just taking up space. MS used
to
allow expert users to relocate it, but not anymore.
Too many people relocated/deleted it and created huge headaches for MS
Support.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed
 
P

Patrick Schmid [MVP]

once a day here). Other than that it's just taking up space. MS used
to
allow expert users to relocate it, but not anymore.
Too many people relocated/deleted it and created huge headaches for MS
Support.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed
 
M

Milhouse Van Houten

I tried to go at bat during the beta for keeping that option, but was shot
down. Removing the ability to legally move it (via an obscure utility that
99.99% of Office users, I'd wager, doesn't know exists), seems to me,
dubious.

And removing that option still doesn't prevent people from purposefully or
acidentally (though it's hidden) deleting it. At least it's recreated easily
enough, which I don't recall if Office 2003 did.

Too many people relocated/deleted it and created huge headaches for MS
Support.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed
 
M

Milhouse Van Houten

I tried to go at bat during the beta for keeping that option, but was shot
down. Removing the ability to legally move it (via an obscure utility that
99.99% of Office users, I'd wager, doesn't know exists), seems to me,
dubious.

And removing that option still doesn't prevent people from purposefully or
acidentally (though it's hidden) deleting it. At least it's recreated easily
enough, which I don't recall if Office 2003 did.

Too many people relocated/deleted it and created huge headaches for MS
Support.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed
 
M

Milhouse Van Houten

I tried to go at bat during the beta for keeping that option, but was shot
down. Removing the ability to legally move it (via an obscure utility that
99.99% of Office users, I'd wager, doesn't know exists), seems to me,
dubious.

And removing that option still doesn't prevent people from purposefully or
acidentally (though it's hidden) deleting it. At least it's recreated easily
enough, which I don't recall if Office 2003 did.

Too many people relocated/deleted it and created huge headaches for MS
Support.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed
 
M

Milhouse Van Houten

I tried to go at bat during the beta for keeping that option, but was shot
down. Removing the ability to legally move it (via an obscure utility that
99.99% of Office users, I'd wager, doesn't know exists), seems to me,
dubious.

And removing that option still doesn't prevent people from purposefully or
acidentally (though it's hidden) deleting it. At least it's recreated easily
enough, which I don't recall if Office 2003 did.

Too many people relocated/deleted it and created huge headaches for MS
Support.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed
 
P

Patrick Schmid [MVP]

And removing that option still doesn't prevent people from
purposefully or
acidentally (though it's hidden) deleting it. At least it's recreated easily
enough, which I don't recall if Office 2003 did.
I don't think Office 2003 ever recreated it easily. If you removed it, I
think that was it.

Patrick
Too many people relocated/deleted it and created huge headaches for MS
Support.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed
 
P

Patrick Schmid [MVP]

And removing that option still doesn't prevent people from
purposefully or
acidentally (though it's hidden) deleting it. At least it's recreated easily
enough, which I don't recall if Office 2003 did.
I don't think Office 2003 ever recreated it easily. If you removed it, I
think that was it.

Patrick
Too many people relocated/deleted it and created huge headaches for MS
Support.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed
 
P

Patrick Schmid [MVP]

And removing that option still doesn't prevent people from
purposefully or
acidentally (though it's hidden) deleting it. At least it's recreated easily
enough, which I don't recall if Office 2003 did.
I don't think Office 2003 ever recreated it easily. If you removed it, I
think that was it.

Patrick
Too many people relocated/deleted it and created huge headaches for MS
Support.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed
 
P

Patrick Schmid [MVP]

And removing that option still doesn't prevent people from
purposefully or
acidentally (though it's hidden) deleting it. At least it's recreated easily
enough, which I don't recall if Office 2003 did.
I don't think Office 2003 ever recreated it easily. If you removed it, I
think that was it.

Patrick
Too many people relocated/deleted it and created huge headaches for MS
Support.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed
 
C

C. Moya

I understand why it exists but I don't see why the purpose can't be handled
in different ways. This is inefficiency at its highest. It pretty much
doubles (needlessly) the installation of a piece of software. What makes
Office so special? What if EVERYTHING I installed created a mirror of
everything.

The truth is NTFS should have made techniques like this obsolete. Alas, it
doesn't.

I understand why "rollback" folders ("NTUninstall...") exist in the Windows
folder (all which can be safely deleted). But MSOCache is just a big waste
of space IMHO.

--
-C. Moya
www.cmoya.com

Patrick Schmid said:
once a day here). Other than that it's just taking up space. MS used to
allow expert users to relocate it, but not anymore.
Too many people relocated/deleted it and created huge headaches for MS
Support.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed
 
C

C. Moya

I understand why it exists but I don't see why the purpose can't be handled
in different ways. This is inefficiency at its highest. It pretty much
doubles (needlessly) the installation of a piece of software. What makes
Office so special? What if EVERYTHING I installed created a mirror of
everything.

The truth is NTFS should have made techniques like this obsolete. Alas, it
doesn't.

I understand why "rollback" folders ("NTUninstall...") exist in the Windows
folder (all which can be safely deleted). But MSOCache is just a big waste
of space IMHO.

--
-C. Moya
www.cmoya.com

Patrick Schmid said:
once a day here). Other than that it's just taking up space. MS used to
allow expert users to relocate it, but not anymore.
Too many people relocated/deleted it and created huge headaches for MS
Support.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed
 
C

C. Moya

I understand why it exists but I don't see why the purpose can't be handled
in different ways. This is inefficiency at its highest. It pretty much
doubles (needlessly) the installation of a piece of software. What makes
Office so special? What if EVERYTHING I installed created a mirror of
everything.

The truth is NTFS should have made techniques like this obsolete. Alas, it
doesn't.

I understand why "rollback" folders ("NTUninstall...") exist in the Windows
folder (all which can be safely deleted). But MSOCache is just a big waste
of space IMHO.

--
-C. Moya
www.cmoya.com

Patrick Schmid said:
once a day here). Other than that it's just taking up space. MS used to
allow expert users to relocate it, but not anymore.
Too many people relocated/deleted it and created huge headaches for MS
Support.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed
 
C

C. Moya

I understand why it exists but I don't see why the purpose can't be handled
in different ways. This is inefficiency at its highest. It pretty much
doubles (needlessly) the installation of a piece of software. What makes
Office so special? What if EVERYTHING I installed created a mirror of
everything.

The truth is NTFS should have made techniques like this obsolete. Alas, it
doesn't.

I understand why "rollback" folders ("NTUninstall...") exist in the Windows
folder (all which can be safely deleted). But MSOCache is just a big waste
of space IMHO.

--
-C. Moya
www.cmoya.com

Patrick Schmid said:
once a day here). Other than that it's just taking up space. MS used to
allow expert users to relocate it, but not anymore.
Too many people relocated/deleted it and created huge headaches for MS
Support.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed
 
I

Imbehind

Hi Bob,

I understand your reason behind this, but it would be nice that Microsoft
starts to understand us (the users) more.

For instance, my usual way to deal with YOUR poor designed OS&Co, when i get
a new PS, is this (SIMPLIFIED!!!!).

0. Hard disk partition -> c:, 10GB, "SYSTEM" ; d:, 30GB, "WORK" ; e:, xxGB,
"STORAGE" ...
1. Clean install of XP + configuration of all parameters such as internet...
2. Windows update
3. Move personal folders such as "Desktop", "My Documents", "Favorites" to
d:\users\xxx, for each xxx user
4. Deactivate hibernate option
5. Cleanup drive and defrag
6. Acronis Image -> creates image clean_install.tib
7. Install Office
8. Configure Office
9. Move Outlook.pst to d:\users\xxx\outlook for each user
10. Install other essential software
11. Cleanup drive and defrag
12. Acronis Image -> creates image preinstall.tib
13. Activate hibernation

So IF i install to much new software for your OS to handle, THEN GOTO 12,
and restore preinstall.tib image.

IF I buy new Office OR start to use other antivirus software THEN GOTO 6,
and restore clean_install.tib image.

So Bob, tell me why would MS think that i (or anyone else) should tolerate
the msocache on c: so it clutters my c: or it makes me mad because i cannot
burn my image on DVD?

I do this from win98, and i cannot explain to myself why MS didn't address
the problem that i am solving 3 or 4 times a year with this primitive but
efficient method.

And still MS does not want to acknowledge the fact that MS Windows is not
perfect and try to make it easy to us users to do above described or similar
procedures.

For starts, it is imposibble to move "documents and settings" folder on
other partition.

WHY WHY WHY WHY ?
 
I

Imbehind

Hi Bob,

I understand your reason behind this, but it would be nice that Microsoft
starts to understand us (the users) more.

For instance, my usual way to deal with YOUR poor designed OS&Co, when i get
a new PS, is this (SIMPLIFIED!!!!).

0. Hard disk partition -> c:, 10GB, "SYSTEM" ; d:, 30GB, "WORK" ; e:, xxGB,
"STORAGE" ...
1. Clean install of XP + configuration of all parameters such as internet...
2. Windows update
3. Move personal folders such as "Desktop", "My Documents", "Favorites" to
d:\users\xxx, for each xxx user
4. Deactivate hibernate option
5. Cleanup drive and defrag
6. Acronis Image -> creates image clean_install.tib
7. Install Office
8. Configure Office
9. Move Outlook.pst to d:\users\xxx\outlook for each user
10. Install other essential software
11. Cleanup drive and defrag
12. Acronis Image -> creates image preinstall.tib
13. Activate hibernation

So IF i install to much new software for your OS to handle, THEN GOTO 12,
and restore preinstall.tib image.

IF I buy new Office OR start to use other antivirus software THEN GOTO 6,
and restore clean_install.tib image.

So Bob, tell me why would MS think that i (or anyone else) should tolerate
the msocache on c: so it clutters my c: or it makes me mad because i cannot
burn my image on DVD?

I do this from win98, and i cannot explain to myself why MS didn't address
the problem that i am solving 3 or 4 times a year with this primitive but
efficient method.

And still MS does not want to acknowledge the fact that MS Windows is not
perfect and try to make it easy to us users to do above described or similar
procedures.

For starts, it is imposibble to move "documents and settings" folder on
other partition.

WHY WHY WHY WHY ?
 
B

Bob Buckland ?:-\)

One of the most common issues with prior Office versions is that if it needed to self-repair, or add certain updates, or 3rd party
products modified essential parts, or 3rd party registry cleaners, etc harmed something that folks either didn't have their CDs with
them or couldn't find them :)

The \MSOCache folder is on the partition where Office 2007 is installed. With it intact then for normal updating there should be
much less need for the original product CDs. For deployments, the MSOCache can be setup ahead of time and the install then runs
locally on the client.

Each of those is a user driven change. You've elected to use a method that most folks likely wouldn't take the time to do with an
out of the box PC. As long as it works for you :)

MS has never claimed that any of its software is perfect. If it was there wouldn't be so many articles in the Knowledge Base at
http://support.microsoft.com and there would never need to be any updates or patches, eh. :)

===============
Hi Bob,

I understand your reason behind this, but it would be nice that Microsoft
starts to understand us (the users) more.

For instance, my usual way to deal with YOUR poor designed OS&Co, when i get
a new PS, is this (SIMPLIFIED!!!!).

0. Hard disk partition -> c:, 10GB, "SYSTEM" ; d:, 30GB, "WORK" ; e:, xxGB,
"STORAGE" ...
1. Clean install of XP + configuration of all parameters such as internet...
2. Windows update
3. Move personal folders such as "Desktop", "My Documents", "Favorites" to
d:\users\xxx, for each xxx user
4. Deactivate hibernate option
5. Cleanup drive and defrag
6. Acronis Image -> creates image clean_install.tib
7. Install Office
8. Configure Office
9. Move Outlook.pst to d:\users\xxx\outlook for each user
10. Install other essential software
11. Cleanup drive and defrag
12. Acronis Image -> creates image preinstall.tib
13. Activate hibernation

So IF i install to much new software for your OS to handle, THEN GOTO 12,
and restore preinstall.tib image.

IF I buy new Office OR start to use other antivirus software THEN GOTO 6,
and restore clean_install.tib image.

So Bob, tell me why would MS think that i (or anyone else) should tolerate
the msocache on c: so it clutters my c: or it makes me mad because i cannot
burn my image on DVD?

I do this from win98, and i cannot explain to myself why MS didn't address
the problem that i am solving 3 or 4 times a year with this primitive but
efficient method.

And still MS does not want to acknowledge the fact that MS Windows is not
perfect and try to make it easy to us users to do above described or similar
procedures.

For starts, it is imposibble to move "documents and settings" folder on
other partition.

WHY WHY WHY WHY ? >>
 

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