MSOCache folder

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Bob Buckland ?:-\)

One of the most common issues with prior Office versions is that if it needed to self-repair, or add certain updates, or 3rd party
products modified essential parts, or 3rd party registry cleaners, etc harmed something that folks either didn't have their CDs with
them or couldn't find them :)

The \MSOCache folder is on the partition where Office 2007 is installed. With it intact then for normal updating there should be
much less need for the original product CDs. For deployments, the MSOCache can be setup ahead of time and the install then runs
locally on the client.

Each of those is a user driven change. You've elected to use a method that most folks likely wouldn't take the time to do with an
out of the box PC. As long as it works for you :)

MS has never claimed that any of its software is perfect. If it was there wouldn't be so many articles in the Knowledge Base at
http://support.microsoft.com and there would never need to be any updates or patches, eh. :)

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Hi Bob,

I understand your reason behind this, but it would be nice that Microsoft
starts to understand us (the users) more.

For instance, my usual way to deal with YOUR poor designed OS&Co, when i get
a new PS, is this (SIMPLIFIED!!!!).

0. Hard disk partition -> c:, 10GB, "SYSTEM" ; d:, 30GB, "WORK" ; e:, xxGB,
"STORAGE" ...
1. Clean install of XP + configuration of all parameters such as internet...
2. Windows update
3. Move personal folders such as "Desktop", "My Documents", "Favorites" to
d:\users\xxx, for each xxx user
4. Deactivate hibernate option
5. Cleanup drive and defrag
6. Acronis Image -> creates image clean_install.tib
7. Install Office
8. Configure Office
9. Move Outlook.pst to d:\users\xxx\outlook for each user
10. Install other essential software
11. Cleanup drive and defrag
12. Acronis Image -> creates image preinstall.tib
13. Activate hibernation

So IF i install to much new software for your OS to handle, THEN GOTO 12,
and restore preinstall.tib image.

IF I buy new Office OR start to use other antivirus software THEN GOTO 6,
and restore clean_install.tib image.

So Bob, tell me why would MS think that i (or anyone else) should tolerate
the msocache on c: so it clutters my c: or it makes me mad because i cannot
burn my image on DVD?

I do this from win98, and i cannot explain to myself why MS didn't address
the problem that i am solving 3 or 4 times a year with this primitive but
efficient method.

And still MS does not want to acknowledge the fact that MS Windows is not
perfect and try to make it easy to us users to do above described or similar
procedures.

For starts, it is imposibble to move "documents and settings" folder on
other partition.

WHY WHY WHY WHY ? >>
 
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nosignal

I can understand Microsoft's intention, however it is a poorly executed
strategy in an attempt to increase efficiency but at the cost of
decreasing efficiency (?) - makes sense doesn't it?

The amount of times I have needed to use my original media (Office CD)
were few and far between with the exception of re-formats. The same
applies to each of my 2000 regular customers (per annum) not including
the other wish-wash of 3000 irregular (per annum) customers I deal with
per year for technical and support related issues.

The fact that Microsoft have not provided an easy mechanism to move the
MSOCache (Local Install Source) to another partition or physical hard
disk is ridiculous.

I understand that the average user may in fact balls this process up
causing more end user support woes for the conglomerant but what about
the move technical savvy users such as industry professionals?

I also use Acronis Disk Imaging software and have done so for quite
sometime and the efficiency I have achieved in system restoration and
back up security has been well worth the continued investment into
their product.

The MSOCache being pinned to the same hard disk as the installation of
Office 2007 only means a bloated back up archive (*.tib) file which in
some instances pushes your archive over the physical size of a standard
DVD5. Meaning you must resort to a DVD9 (increased cost) or a different
hard disk or backup server (including Flash media).

On a one off scale this may not seem like a big investment but when you
are doing this for all of your customers, the bloat "floats" and
increases your base cost of doing business.

*** TIP **

As a recommendation I suggest that you delete your MSOCache file, then
run Acronis Disk Imaging software and create your backup archive.

When you call upon your archive file for restoration purposes the
Office Installation process will call to recreate the MSOCache file.

A small COST to pay in terms of time-to-recreate-MSOCache versus
bloated archive files.*
 
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nosignal

Hey!

I have not tried it for Office 2007 and I believe it does not work (?)

Office 2007 as far as I know and from the documentation I have read
direct from the horses mouth (Microsoft) state that the Local
Installation Source is a fixed location corresponding to the main
physical media to which Office 2007 is installed upon.

Surely, with a bit of poking around a "hack", registry or otherwise
should be able to render a solution but I have not and likely will not
delve any further into the issue.

Though I suspect in the future as it becomes a more readily used
program that others will attempt such feats.

In the meantime I am just deleting the MSOCache before making a back up
archive. Works for me...
 
B

Bob Buckland ?:-\)

Hi Susan,

The LISTool isn't supported for Office 2007, only Office 2003.

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Hi, nosignal,

Does the LIS tool not work for you?
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...A3-695B-42C3-9045-B812BA0FED3E&displaylang=en

Or do you think it's not an "easy mechanism"? Just curious to know, because
I was pretty happy when it came out. Lots of people have needed their
original media, and that was a response to one of the most commonly reported
problems with previous versions of Office. <<
 
B

Bob Buckland ?:-\)

For Office 2007 installation, repair and incorporation of update patches where it would need to access the installation source are
from the MSOCache folder. While the Office apps don't check for its existence each time the apps start they will check for it when
you go to update or change the installed features and will ask for the CD to rebuild it.

The architecture of Office 2007 is different from prior versions. It has no base langauge, not even English and multiple CDs can be
combined into a single installation source and a combined MSOCache (less duplication than in previous versions). The MSOCache
folder can be run out separately from the installation so for corporate folks doing PC imaging or with a lot of workstations to
install the installation is done within the local PC rather than putting a big hit on the networks.

For single users, as Susan mentioned, it can help to preclude the "I'm on the road and the MS Installer runs (having detected some
type of error) and don't have my CDs..." by being able to repair from the MSOCache folder.
================

Hey!

I have not tried it for Office 2007 and I believe it does not work (?)

Office 2007 as far as I know and from the documentation I have read
direct from the horses mouth (Microsoft) state that the Local
Installation Source is a fixed location corresponding to the main
physical media to which Office 2007 is installed upon.

Surely, with a bit of poking around a "hack", registry or otherwise
should be able to render a solution but I have not and likely will not
delve any further into the issue.

Though I suspect in the future as it becomes a more readily used
program that others will attempt such feats.

In the meantime I am just deleting the MSOCache before making a back up
archive. Works for me...


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nosignal <<
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Bob Buckland ?:)
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*
 

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