IMAP Inbox indicator and Gmail question

[Terry R.]

The date and time was Friday, September 25, 2009 7:44:22 PM, and on a
whim, William Smith [MVP] pounded out on the keyboard:

I'm calling my own example a bad example.

Lots of folks need offline access, especially when they are traveling
heavily and receive loads of E-mail. They stop at a hotspot or their
office, download and process later on a plane, train or other location
where Internet access may not be available.

As I know almost all the clients/users I deal with, almost none of them
work that way. They work when they have access, not when they don't.

In a reply that I could have been worded better, I said Entourage offers
more features and in parentheses I including "organizing". I know Google
offers "organization". My intent was that this is an area where
Entourage offers more features.

If people today really need those "features" then they can purchase a
client. But more and more, they don't.

Not at all. If I need to browse through hundreds or thousands of
messages, I can do so in Entourage by sorting by a few options first and
then scrolling. Google has a limit of 100 messages per window, I
believe. Sometimes I have a need to go through old threads without
knowing the subjects of those threads or maybe the senders.

You really need to research this further. For one, Google can search
the whole email account, so "100 messages per window" means nothing.


Terry R.

 

[kevs12]

Interesting Terry says in Google he can send without using gmail addresses, and Bill says you need a Google apps account.
Who is right?

 

[William Smith [MVP]]

Wrong again Bill. I said I had 9 email accounts "coming" into Gmail. And
they're ALL from other domains. And I don't pay for anything.

Look into further. Then report back.

Why don't you educate me?

I have a domain called talkingmoose.net. Without using my current
servers, how would I set Gmail to receive mail for an account at my domain?

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[William Smith [MVP]]

As I know almost all the clients/users I deal with, almost none of them
work that way. They work when they have access, not when they don't.

Your personal experience is not indicative of everyone's experience.

If people today really need those "features" then they can purchase a
client. But more and more, they don't.

But some people do have a need for the features of a client.

You really need to research this further. For one, Google can search
the whole email account, so "100 messages per window" means nothing.

My example is for browsing, not searching.

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[William Smith [MVP]]

Interesting Terry says in Google he can send without using gmail
addresses, and Bill says you need a Google apps account. Who is
right?

No, I am saying that if you use Google's free service then you will have
to use a Google domain name such as gmail.com or google.com to *receive*
messages. If you want to use your own domain name (having folks E-mail
you at "(e-mail address removed)", for example) then you will have to pay for
Google's service.

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[kevs12]

Bill, how does it work. What do I buy. What is minimum to test this? what is url? very convoluted interface -- thanks.

 

[William Smith [MVP]]

Bill, how does it work. What do I buy. What is minimum to test this?
what is url? very convoluted interface -- thanks.

You'll need to research this yourself at <http://mail.google.com> or ask
in their forums.

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[Terry R.]

The date and time was Saturday, September 26, 2009 11:09:06 AM, and on a
whim, William Smith [MVP] pounded out on the keyboard:

Why don't you educate me?

I have a domain called talkingmoose.net. Without using my current
servers, how would I set Gmail to receive mail for an account at my domain?

Under Settings, Accounts and Import.


Terry R.

 

[Terry R.]

The date and time was Saturday, September 26, 2009 9:20:48 AM, and on a
whim, (e-mail address removed) pounded out on the keyboard:

Interesting Terry says in Google he can send without using gmail addresses, and Bill says you need a Google apps account.
Who is right?

I'm right, only because I'm doing it.


Terry R.

 

[Terry R.]

The date and time was Saturday, September 26, 2009 5:03:11 PM, and on a
whim, William Smith [MVP] pounded out on the keyboard:

No, I am saying that if you use Google's free service then you will have
to use a Google domain name such as gmail.com or google.com to *receive*
messages. If you want to use your own domain name (having folks E-mail
you at "(e-mail address removed)", for example) then you will have to pay for
Google's service.

You seem to be turning this around now. Obviously one needs a gmail
account.

But you can send email from other domains ("(e-mail address removed)", for
example) using the free service. As I've said all along, I do it with 9
other accounts. And no one I send email to from those accounts knows
I'm sending it using gmail.


Terry R.

 

[kevs12]

Terry,
I was advised to post in Google forums, problem is -- no one helps there? or no traffic there. Here is the post, maybe yuo can help:

I use Entourage (like Outlook)
I've been told I can take my exising email addresses , ie (e-mail address removed) and use the the Gmail server, via Gmail in IMAP, and people will still see the email as (e-mail address removed), not @gmail.com

I've have also been told I would have to buy Gmail app or something like that for it to work.

Where do I go to start, what is the cost and procedure? thanks.

 

[Terry R.]

The date and time was Monday, September 28, 2009 8:19:28 PM, and on a
whim, (e-mail address removed) pounded out on the keyboard:

Terry,
I was advised to post in Google forums, problem is -- no one helps there? or no traffic there. Here is the post, maybe yuo can help:

I use Entourage (like Outlook)
I've been told I can take my exising email addresses , ie (e-mail address removed) and use the the Gmail server, via Gmail in IMAP, and people will still see the email as (e-mail address removed), not @gmail.com

I've have also been told I would have to buy Gmail app or something like that for it to work.

Where do I go to start, what is the cost and procedure? thanks.

I explained it to you quite some time back. In your gmail account, go
to Settings, Accounts and Import. There you set up your other email
accounts to come to your gmail account. You can also set it up to send
under your other domain addresses also, as that was absolutely necessary
for me to not use the gmail address. I set up labels in the gmail
account so any mail from "(e-mail address removed)" goes to the label of the
same. That way all the mail is directly to the proper label rather than
having everything come into one Inbox. It also keeps all the accounts
separate in my Palm Pre cell phone (that is the biggest plus I found
using gmail, as my contacts, email, and calendar are all perfectly
integrated with the Palm Pre.

I used to use Mozilla Thunderbird as my email client. The IMAP/gmail
comes in fine with that mail client. But I have my "identities" (account
email addresses) all created within Thunderbird, so if I reply to
someone I select the proper "From" address within TB. I can do the same
in gmail, but the identities in gmail are not available in Thunderbird,
as they had to be created separately, so I can only assume the same
would be for Entourage. But if you have already been sending from those
addresses in Entourage, you already have that set up, so all you should
have to do is get gmail configured.

I have purchased nothing. I am using the free service and it works
perfectly.


Terry R.

 

[kevs12]

Terry, thanks!
Ok, went in and dug in.
I clicked the "import from another address" Button.

First, why does it ask for POP user name? Isn't the whole idea that I'm doing IMAP?
2) I entered the password I have set up in Entourage, and put in POP username there as well but Google says:' Could not validate this combination of email address and password"
Where is Gmal validating? Can it peek into my Entourage accounts?
As soon as I get pass this hump, I'll explore labels and the rest!

 

[Terry R.]

The date and time was Tuesday, September 29, 2009 5:34:12 PM, and on a
whim, (e-mail address removed) pounded out on the keyboard:

Terry, thanks!
Ok, went in and dug in.
I clicked the "import from another address" Button.

First, why does it ask for POP user name? Isn't the whole idea that I'm doing IMAP?
2) I entered the password I have set up in Entourage, and put in POP username there as well but Google says:' Could not validate this combination of email address and password"
Where is Gmal validating? Can it peek into my Entourage accounts?
As soon as I get pass this hump, I'll explore labels and the rest!

Gmail retrieves your email from your other accounts via POP. And I
don't know whether you're using IMAP or POP on Gmail, as you have to
enable IMAP in the Settings as it is turned off by default. IF you have
enabled IMAP on Gmail, if you decide to access the account using
Entourage, you will see all your folders in Gmail. If you only see, say
the Inbox and no others, then you are only using Gmail using POP. POP
only deals with the Inbox, and IMAP deals with all the folders.

And Gmail doesn't "peek" into your Entourage accounts, since Entourage
doesn't host your accounts. You are using Entourage as a mail client to
retrieve the email from your email accounts. Gmail will do it the same way.


Terry R.

 

[kevs12]

Ok, Terry, I see the mistake,
I was starting with import mail and contacts instead of "check mail using pop3" -- Add pop 3 email account.
Ok I added one of my emails.
There was one step that asked to either have Gmail host or have smtp host (recommened for professional accounts), I did not understand that but chose Gmail. Seems logical no?
Now what? How do I test this? Can I send/ receive via Entourage "using" Gmail servers? I am still lost. Finally, / We are still talking POP, but the whole reason I got Gmail is to use their servers and huge space to handle my new IMAP accounts no? thanks!

 

[William Smith [MVP]]

Under Settings, Accounts and Import.

That would be using my current server to receive the message first.

Perhaps we're mis-communicating. I'm not talking about using Gmail to
import messages or check non-Gmail accounts. I'm talking about Gmail's
servers being the primary MX servers for a domain. This can only be done
with Google's paid service.

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[William Smith [MVP]]

You seem to be turning this around now. Obviously one needs a gmail
account.

I'm turning nothing around.

If I pay to use Google Apps then I can have Gmail's service receive
messages for my personal domain such as talkingmoose.net. However, if I
do not want to pay them then I must receive mail for that account using
one of Gmail's domains such as gmail.com or google.com.

But you can send email from other domains ("(e-mail address removed)", for
example) using the free service. As I've said all along, I do it with 9
other accounts. And no one I send email to from those accounts knows
I'm sending it using gmail.

I've been talking about receiving all this time.

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[kevs12]

Terry,
forget about Bill for a moment, and I am going to re-ask my question.
If I ever get on board with this, I'll render the verdict who is right.

Ok, Terry, I see the mistake,
I was starting with import mail and contacts instead of "check mail using pop3" -- Add pop 3 email account.
Ok I added one of my emails.
There was one step that asked to either have Gmail host or have smtp host (recommened for professional accounts), I did not understand that but chose Gmail. Seems logical no?
Now what? How do I test this? Can I send/ receive via Entourage "using" Gmail servers? I am still lost. Finally, / We are still talking POP, but the whole reason I got Gmail is to use their servers and huge space to handle my new IMAP accounts no? thanks!

 

[Terry R.]

The date and time was Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:54:31 PM, and on a
whim, William Smith [MVP] pounded out on the keyboard:

I'm turning nothing around.

If I pay to use Google Apps then I can have Gmail's service receive
messages for my personal domain such as talkingmoose.net. However, if I
do not want to pay them then I must receive mail for that account using
one of Gmail's domains such as gmail.com or google.com.


I've been talking about receiving all this time.

Like I have been saying, I send as AND receive from 9 other accounts
that are NOT gmail accounts. I don't know what else to tell you Bill.


Terry R.

 

[Terry R.]

The date and time was Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:15:02 PM, and on a
whim, (e-mail address removed) pounded out on the keyboard:

Ok, Terry, I see the mistake, I was starting with import mail and
contacts instead of "check mail using pop3" -- Add pop 3 email
account. Ok I added one of my emails. There was one step that asked
to either have Gmail host or have smtp host (recommened for
professional accounts), I did not understand that but chose Gmail.
Seems logical no? Now what? How do I test this? Can I send/ receive
via Entourage "using" Gmail servers? I am still lost. Finally, / We
are still talking POP, but the whole reason I got Gmail is to use
their servers and huge space to handle my new IMAP accounts no?
thanks!

I don't know what else to tell you. You add the gmail account to your
Entourage. You should be able to send and receive.

Using gmail servers to send doesn't matter, as that's how I have mine
set up also, but they still show to the recipient that it was sent from
my non-gmail accounts, and when they reply, it comes to the non-gmail
accounts, not any gmail account I have. I don't send anything from the
gmail accounts, as I have no need to with all my other ones configured
within the gmail account.

I don't know why you think we're still talking POP, other than gmail
picks up the mail from your other accounts via POP. That has nothing to
do with the gmail IMAP account. When you set up the gmail account in
Entourage, you'll see all your folders that you have set up on gmail,
not just the Inbox. THAT is what IMAP is all about, as I've been
telling you all along.


Terry R.