Worse software of 2006

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Brian W

Ken Halter said:
So... since you sold your XP license, that means you're not buying Vista
as an upgrade, right?
That's right, I'm getting the full version of Home Premium. Too much hassle
to worry about with an upgrade disc, and the Full package includes the
64-bit DVD should I decide to upgrade my hardware in a year or two. 64-bit
wouldn't be an option otherwise, as I don't have an XP 64 disc.
 
B

Brian Murphy

Completely agree. You don't like something, don't use it. If you want to
use it, but don't like the way it works, submit feedback to the
person/persons responsible. Nothing will ever change by just bitching about
it all over the place.

DGuess said:
Enough is enough no one really cares.

Don't know which group youre reading this in but drop the cross posts.
Hopefully this will be the last one cross posted.
 
A

Alias

Mike said:
Yes, by all means. Run your business on OpenOffice. Word processors
make such great accounting packages!

Mike

Um, Open Office isn't just a word processor. It has a spread sheet and a
data base program as well. Personally, I prefer ABIword for word
processing when running Linux.

Alias
 
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Not Me

Simple, I tried it, I didn't like it.
I agree with the poster, XP was the best OS I have ever used, Vista is
probably a distant 4th.
I think W95 was as user friendly as Vista. Vista is a GIANT step backwards
from XP, IMHO.
Whoever was in charge of the design & signed off on it's release (on an
unsuspecting population) should be sacked and the whole thing reworked to be
user friendly.
If they can't make it secure and user friendly both, they shouldn't be
selling it, nuch less at the inflated prices they are asking.
I have Office 2000, Office XP and Openoffice on various machines I use.
I don't see a whole lot of difference in functionality for what I use it
for.
And with the nasty/ugly interface (yes, personal preference again, but MY
OPINION) of the new Office suite; I'm voting with my wallet.
MS is voted OUT!
After using IE7 for months and tweaking & tweaking IE7, it works fine.
But again, I don't like the interface, it's not customizable to my liking
and I have started using a NON-MS browser as my default.
If MS thinks that they are going the right direction, then we are going to
have a parting of the ways.
I refuse to buy what I don't like.
If I have to use something that I don't like, it will be a free version.
 
G

Gordon

Not said:
After using IE7 for months and tweaking & tweaking IE7, it works fine.
But again, I don't like the interface, it's not customizable to my liking
and I have started using a NON-MS browser as my default.

If you are using Firefox, then have a look at the IETab extension - it means
that you can even get Windows Updates using Firefox......
 
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Not Me

Yes, I have been using FF2. I like most of the features of it.
Netscrape also allows you to use either browser engine, but they really
sucked at putting together Version 8.
When I need a third browser, I use Netscrape 7.1.
 
D

Dave Onex

I'd have to agree with the gist of the original poster. We've seen nothing
but problems with the directions Microsoft has taken. It seems Microsoft
forgot the lessons they learned from Microsoft Bob - which was not to mess
with the user interface. It was a hard lesson for them to learn at the
time - but the knowledge gained from that seems to have disappeared. When
doing support for people I have to ask them which interface they are using
on XP - something most of them can't answer. This is a small example of the
support mess that forgotten lesson has created.

With Windows NT 4.0 Microsoft learned another valuable lesson - never
include new software with a service pack. This lesson was also forgotten
with XP. Service Pack 2 for XP caused a lot of problems for us and for the
record - there's more fixes, patches and updates for XP then in any previous
Microsoft O/S we've rolled out.

I'm not a fan of XP - instead I see Windows 2000 as the most mature and
stable O/S they ever made. It represents the culmination of the lessons
learned above - plus considerably more - all in one package. And it's
stable - more stable then XP and that's been proven to us again and again.
XP has some nicer features but the question for us is are the features more
valuable then a reliable O/S?

In almost every companies history past mistakes are made again and the net
result (at some point) is an effort to re-focus on their previous core
strengths. I see XP as the start of deviating from the path and Vista as
(hopefully) the final step. Ideally Microsoft will realize this at some
point and get back to the kind of thinking that went into Windows 2000.

Either way, the nice thing about living in today's world is that we don't
have to use a useless web browser like IE 7 and we don't have to be
pre-programmed into thinking that Vista is the latest and greatest. The
mistakes Microsoft is making today should go a long way to re-enforcing that
'new' train of thought and opening people's eyes to the fact that the latest
is not always the greatest. I see that more & more Microsoft is trying to
force us into staying Microsoft and that the further along we go - the
harder it will be to leave.

I've never been a fan of a 'new' O/S just because it was new. I started with
Windows for Workgroups and OS/2 and worked closely with all Microsoft O/S's
since. I was with them through the Windows NT 3.x series as well as NT 4.0.
I saw the mistakes made over the years and I saw the lessons firmly learned
at Microsoft. Remember the mantra - "Eat your own dog food?" I do. I also
remember being down in Redmond for OEM meetings and seeing this philosophy
in action.

Those were the days when mistakes were corrected - fast! Lessons (as above)
were learned and taken to heart. I remember when Microsoft was holding a
well-deserved barbeque at Netscape! IE was a better browser but IE 7 sure
isn't. IE 7 is a reactionary product developed to try and stave off
Firefox's increasing market share - nothing more - and a botched attempt at
that. What impresses me most about Firefox is it's small size.....

Microsoft's changed - and not for the better. We're back to release a
product and correct/complete development after people have paid for it and
installed it. Nice. I went through that with NT 4.0, Proxy 1.0 (among
others) and am not interested in going that route with XP or with Vista.

This recurring revenue stream that Microsoft is after stopped for us at
Windows 2000. All my servers run Windows 2000 and very few workstations run
XP. If Microsoft persists in ignoring/re-learning lessons from the past then
I will continue to vote with our pocketbook and look more closely at Linux.
I never wanted to go the Linux route but the more I hear about where
Microsoft is going (coupled with what I've seen over the last few years) the
more I feel that it's inevitable. Recently I had to speak to someone in
India to try and get approval for a valid XP installation and it was quickly
apparent that I had to prove to them that the O/S was legit and that they
had the authority to declare my legal store-bought product invalid. That was
not a pleasant experience and while I can understand the theft angle I also
don't want to be assumed guilty until proven innocent. This has a direct
impact on decisions I make.

I'd prefer to stay with MS but the path they've chosen is actually what's
pushing me to Linux. It's less a question of dollars then it is of dealing
with inferior & bloated software and having to pay for the same year after
year.

My fear is that it is only a matter of time before we go Linux. I don't want
to learn something new as I've got my hands full with what's on my plate but
I think it's inevitable.

I've mentioned flaws in ISA 2004 for some time now but it seems that all the
effort is being concentrated on ISA 2006. This illustrates another example
that I find reprehensible. Am I now forced to pay my way into ISA 2006 just
to get support that should have been included in the cost of ISA 2004? And
just for the record, that flaw came out of new functionality added through
means of a Service Pack. Remember the forgotten lesson I explained above?
There's another example of it in action.

Our/my interest is not in paying Microsoft an annual fee. Instead I'd like
to see Microsoft actually complete the development of the products that we
originally purchased before trying to get new money from us for something
that's 'new' and 'better'.

Best!
Marvin Miller
 
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Mike

You know what bites my bacon? People who whine about operating systems...
first off, if you don't like it, don't use it. Second, if you think you can
do a better job, then build your own OS. Third, MacOS, Vista, Linux
(whatever bastard version) are all in the same boat and all heading the same
place. They are all very good operating systems with their pros and cons.

If you want stable and virus free, find a VMS machine.
 
C

Charlie Tame

Whilst I tend to disagree about WLMD specifically I am forced to agree that
many aspects of Vista constitute a huge push toward the competition. It is
quite coincidental that yesterday I remarked to my wife (Not really a
computer person) that I was annoyed with so many of the latest moves made by
MS I was thinking of putting W2000 back on everything :)

As for WLMD I think it's a good idea to have the different types of mail
brought together, although the toolbar layout options from OE were handy.

Charlie
 
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N. Miller

Worse email client: Windows live mail desktop, because the design follows
the same concepts of vista, again they took outlook express... and made a
monster out of it.

Eh? MS Outlook Express is *already* a monstrosity. Windows Live Mail Desktop
is actually a modest improvement over MS "Outhouse Exploder".
 
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Kirk

I'm really tired of hearing people piss and moan about MS did this and MS
did that and screwed this up and screwed that up. If you don't like using a
particular Windows product, that's fine, but keep your pissing and moaning
to yourselves. Sure there are limitations and glitches and issues, but so
what? If you can't figure out how to work around them, then maybe you
should go back to pencil and paper.
 
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Robert Morley

Well now, that becomes a problem as well. After all, the pencil and paper
had their own issues. Take, for example, the problems involved with
excessive angular force on the pencil tip. This can just bring the whole
application to a halt...especially if you're missing the "pencil sharpener"
add-on. Then there's the bug of multiple deletions of the same record,
which can completely destroy that section of the paper, typically resulting
in an unusable medium which must be re-copied from scratch (possibly leading
to a recursive problem). Not to mention the vast array of pencil versions
out there, many of which are entirely unsuitable for the uses to which the
user wishes to put them - e.g., using a fine arts pencil for writing
purposes.

While I'm sure I could come up with a number of other issues besides, as you
can see, software and hardware limitations pre-date MS, and no solution is
without its share of problems.

That said, I agree with the general concept that MS has been moving away
from what most customers want, particularly the programming professional,
and dumbing down & prettying up a lot of their mainstream software (like
Vista and Office 2007), possibly in an attempt to be more like the Mac (oh
dear!). The departure of VB.NET from traditional VB is another example of
this sort of plugging their ears and going "la la la la la" when programming
professionals complain (while simultaneously listening intently to C
programmers and providing them with a transition venue that they chose not
to provide VB programmers with).

Overall, I'm very unimpressed at the general trend, and sincerely hope they
smarten up in the future. I don't want software that works only the way
THEY want it to, I want software that works the way *I* want it to, and is
flexible enough to also work the way SOMEONE ELSE wants it to as well.



Rob
 
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Mike

Not sure why... but my post never made it through. <confused>

You know what bites my bacon? People who whine about operating systems...
first off, if you don't like it, don't use it. Second, if you think you can
do a better job, then build your own OS. Third, MacOS, Vista, Linux
(whatever bastard version) are all in the same boat and all heading the same
place. They are all very good operating systems with their pros and cons.

If you want stable and virus free, find a VMS machine.
 
D

Dave Onex

Edited in line;

Kirk said:
I'm really tired of hearing people piss and moan about MS did this and MS
did that and screwed this up and screwed that up. If you don't like using a
particular Windows product, that's fine, but keep your pissing and moaning
to yourselves.

I see - another hear no evil see no evil outlook.
Sure there are limitations and glitches and issues, but so
what? If you can't figure out how to work around them, then maybe you
should go back to pencil and paper.

That's not what my post was about. Sounds like you're looking for someone to
argue with - that won't be me. On the other hand, if you can actually find
something substantive to say about the post below - please do.
 

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